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The Demon 10-26-2011 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517168)
a poll is a set of opinions genius:1orglaugh
i think its more like game set and meds, as you need to be gettin back on yours:1orglaugh
Wow.. Desperation and backpeddling at its finest.

Caligari 10-26-2011 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517166)
They must have changed their headline after you started this thread. It currently says, "Poll: More agree than disagree with Occupy Wall Street goals," not "New Poll: Most Americans Agree With OWS."
Same thing, just shortened the title.

"More agree than disagree" = "Most Americans Agree" with OWS

in the poll more = most (keeping in mind that no opinion does not count)

Americans because, you know it was Americans being polled...

just trying to explain it carefully so you get it...

Rochard 10-26-2011 12:04 PM
The title of this thread should really be "most people don't give a shit about OWS.

baddog 10-26-2011 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18517213)
Same thing, just shortened the title.

"More agree than disagree" = "Most Americans Agree" with OWS
No, it is not the same thing. It is not even close to being the same thing. Especially when you are talking about 1,650 out of 312,000,000

blazin 10-26-2011 12:09 PM
How about the majority (60%) of those people that had an opinion about OWS agreed with it.

:)

The Demon 10-26-2011 12:11 PM
Kinda weird to make that point when recent polls show that the majority of people have no idea as to what the clear goals of the OWS are.

Quentin 10-26-2011 12:16 PM
I agree with some of what I hear coming from some people within the OWS movement.

Unfortunately, there isn't a poll in existence that offers its respondents the opportunity to specify which parts of any given organization's/movement's beliefs they agree or disagree with, so if I were to take this particular poll, I'd probably choose the "don't know" option as my response.

I run into the same problem when I'm polled about any particular candidate for public office. The polls are designed to get me to express an absolutist position that is easily communicated when the poll results are published, not to record my actual opinion.

A better manner of poll (one that I'm guessing is not forthcoming from any polling service any time soon) would ask its respondents about specific positions endorsed and championed by the movement/organization/candidate at hand, and report the aggregate response to each of those individual positions/provisions as a separate line item. Every once in a while you see results from polls like that, but most are very general, and very much creatures of an agenda-driven author.

Sadly, most pollsters aren't terribly interested in divining truth, or accurately representing the actual opinions of the respondent pool; they are interested in crafting a poll such that it tends to result in numbers that forward the agenda they have already decided is right and proper.

Caligari 10-26-2011 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517234)
No, it is not the same thing. It is not even close to being the same thing. Especially when you are talking about 1,650 out of 312,000,000
Sure it is, that's why it's called a poll.

When you get the opinion from 312,000,000 you are looking for lmk:winkwink:

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517251)
Kinda weird to make that point when recent polls show that the majority of people have no idea as to what the clear goals of the OWS are.
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517092)
Did not know 1,650 adults represented the majority of Americans. But hey, when you desperately want your idiotic agenda to work, you've got to rationalize.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The Demon 10-26-2011 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 18517279)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
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recent polls show that the majority of people

Ooops! Looks like someone failed miserably yet again.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ThunderBalls 10-26-2011 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517285)
Ooops! Looks like someone failed miserably yet again.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Yes they did! :1orglaugh

Caligari 10-26-2011 12:27 PM
fiddy biased commie polls

damn!:1orglaugh

BFT3K 10-26-2011 12:44 PM
The devil is always in the details...



https://youtube.com/watch?v=LF-Blg-Ft0g

Vendzilla 10-26-2011 12:49 PM
63% don't know 22% approve 15% disapprove

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150164/am...eet-goals.aspx

BFT3K 10-26-2011 12:57 PM
You guys get the sandwich channel?

http://taste-for-adventure.tablespoo...ch-586x322.jpg

Barry-xlovecam 10-26-2011 06:36 PM
“[A] house divided against itself cannot stand ...” Abraham Lincoln
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Polls show that disapproval of the Tea Party is climbing. In April 2010, a New York Times/CBS News survey found that 18 percent of Americans had an unfavorable opinion of it, 21 percent had a favorable opinion and 46 percent had not heard enough. Now, 14 months later, Tea Party supporters have slipped to 20 percent, while their opponents have more than doubled, to 40 percent.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/op...apartymovement
Well OWS is doing better than the TEA Party, that is if you believe polls ...

Either way, Congess' approval rating has slipped to an all time low -- 9%

I never really understood my parents, aunts and uncles feelings towards the Great Depression. In fact they rarely talked about it. Some of the reason that they avoided the topic was probably like what this Great Recession is doing to everyone now.

One only has to think on the 1930's and 1940's; what happened and to hope for a dissimilar outcome. However, the waters are stormy with a similar, albeit not yet so severe, economic hardship, extremism and nationalism as seen during the Great Depression but the despair is manifesting itself differently this time -- perhaps only tempered by the "socialistic" programs instituted as the result of the Great Depression, i.e.; Social Security, Unemployment Benefits, Medicare-Medicaid and Public Assistance -- all the programs that create a "safety net" to control public extremism, read: mobs of starving people, soup lines and hobos ...

Maybe, there can be a peaceful outcome -- history says otherwise.

vdbucks 10-26-2011 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18517102)
I apologize. I understand that today's educational system has let today's youth down, especially when it comes to logic.
You sound like you've been around the block a few times.. meaning, your generation is pretty much solely responsible for the lack of education of today's youth... meaning, you really ought not use today's education as part of your arsenal for belittling others.

Tempest 10-26-2011 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 18516921)
And nearly two-thirds say wealth should be distributed more equitably.
I always find it humorous that when sentiments like that are talked about by the politicians etc and labeled as socialist, communist or whatever other negative label they want to stick on it, everyone is against it.. But the reality is that it's what most people truly do want..

Here's a great little Marxian analysis excerpt regarding Capitalism.

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The Marxian analysis begins with an analysis of material conditions, taking at its starting point the necessary economic activities required by human society to provide for its material needs. The form of economic organization, or mode of production, is understood to be the basis from which the majority of other social phenomena ? including social relations, political and legal systems, morality and ideology ? arise (or at the least by which they are greatly influenced). These social relations form the superstructure, of which the economic system forms the base. As the forces of production, most notably technology, improve, existing forms of social organization become inefficient and stifle further progress.

These inefficiencies manifest themselves as social contradictions in society in the form of class struggle. Under the capitalist mode of production, this struggle materializes between the minority who own the means of production (the bourgeoisie), and the vast majority of the population who produce goods and services (the proletariat). Taking the idea that social change occurs because of the struggle between different classes within society who are under contradiction against each other, the Marxist analysis leads to the conclusion that capitalism oppresses the proletariat, the inevitable result being a proletarian revolution.
Sound familiar?

Minte 10-26-2011 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18517362)
Why is it you have to mess up so many threads with your silly pictures and youtube links?

Tempest 10-26-2011 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 18517092)
Did not know 1,650 adults represented the majority of Americans. But hey, when you desperately want your idiotic agenda to work, you've got to rationalize.
Really? Do you not understand how polls are done? Probably not unless they're done to support your own views on things.


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