Now you are just starting to sound ridiculous.

If we want to start listing stupid laws that if enforced could fuck with our lives we could be here all day. The reality is this: there are enough laws on the books that the cops could stop just about any car on the road at any time they wanted and they could find some reason in the books to do so. Most of the time they don't do that. Whether they admit it or not they profile and they choose to pull people over for lame reasons who they feel could potentially be in violation of other, bigger things.

But none of this has much to do with the original post in this thread which is that the chick was told to not talk on the phone because they felt she was interfering with an investigation. She didn't do it. they tried to take the phone away and things got ugly from there. You can see it two ways. Depending on where you stand the cops did their job or the cops went too far.

Fact.

I can either suck it up and kiss a roided up moron's ass for 5 minutes and be home in my comfy ass bed watching Top Chef that night or I can fight the good fight and end up in the tank with 35 smelly Mexicans and meth heads sleeping on a shitty floor and getting my colon inspected with a flashlight.

And to me, in the end, the fight over him asking me where I was headed was not worth it. Now a full on illegal search, that would be a fight worth risking that for.

Although, as much as I agree with you I did get into a full on shouting match with a bunch of cops a while back. I pulled over at a convenience store to get a beverage and my passenger stayed in the car. My passenger that was, I should be clear, not a baby.

A few miles later I get pulled over, lights and sirens by 4 cop cars, two marked with unis and two unmarked with detectives and they surround me, blocking me in front and rear. The unis rush up to the car guns drawn and get me out and start shouting that I'm under arrest and CPS is on the way to take my baby (see above, no baby.)

I'm like, "You morons have the wrong guy. Do you see a baby? Do you see a car seat? Do you have eyes? Put your fucking guns away and think about this."

Apparently someone called in an abandoned baby in a car and gave the description of my car. Which was weird since I was in the place for 5 mins tops. One of the cops was like, "Stop being an asshole, we're just doing our job." as he was walking away.

I replied, "Does doing your job include using your fucking eyeballs before you draw guns and rush into a situation you have completely and totally misread? Yeah, I thought so, keep stepping, flat foot."

I spose it helps that I'm white and was innocent.

Well...like it or not...it has been pretty much this way for your life time.

One has to legally comply with an officers orders and if one doesn't one can be arrested...and when being arrested if one does not submissively comply with the orders of the officer one can be charged with resisting arrest and if one resists...an officer can legally...virtually use...whatever force he deems to be necessary to initiate the arrest...and if one so much as touches the officer at any point in time...one can be charged with assaulting an officer and that is now a felony where as in years past it was a misdemeanor.

BTW...you are full of pig shit.

Cops can do what ever they want.


:2 cents:

Oh hell no it hasn't. Not where I lived in a small town. I was raised in a country type town. And the cops weren't on a power trip with the people who lived there. Matter of fact my mom was a deputy sheriff and I saw cops working all the time.

They didn't have the rights to do half the shit they can now. For instance they couldn't search you or your car. And they definitely couldn't arrest you for not "obeying".

I cursed out many a cop in Ft. Lauderdale/Miami when they got smart with me when I lived there during the 1980's. Got pulled over for speeding a few times right on the strip there...and usually had an eight ball in my pocket. But guess what? They couldn't search my car.

That's all bullshit that the Supreme Court started up a little later and ruled that they could do all these searches and seizures (it was unconstitutional before that)

So dude...don't presume to know shit about me. I've done and seen more in my life than most from all my travels in my bands since 1978.

Everything out of a cops mouth is not a "lawful order" you dumb fuck. You have the right to disobey unlawful orders and I will continue to do so. If you are willing to give up your rights because someone has a badge that is your business but don't expect me or anyone else to be such a pansy about it.

This is completely off the subject, but I wanted to ask. I have seen you mention being in bands and touring a few times. Were any of these bands that anyone would have heard of or were they more like small, touring bands? Why kind of music did you play? Just curious.

I have cussed at cops in probably 8 out of my last 10 interactions with them. I live in a small town but the city police in town aren't that bad either. Some of the small towns a little ways away from here are full of the power tripping cops though, always a fun time with them. I have seen my dad get in a cops ass HARD when they were doing something wrong and unlike me he loves the police. I just never grew up around people that blindly did whatever a cop wanted and it's hard for me to imagine people so against people standing up for their rights.

So I have to ask, what is it that you are doing in your life that has led to at least 10 encounters with the police?

In my life I have been pulled over by the police six times. Once for speeding. Twice for driving without a seat belt. Once for expired tags. Once for no brake lights and once for running a red light. Most people I know have had very limited interaction with the police. What is it that you are doing that draws them to you?

Cop needs to bitch smacked, fuck the police!

Does it matter? No, it really doesn't. If you weren't trying to discredit me as some evil lawbreaker I might answer you but nothing you've said here leads me to believe that you are trying to do anything else.

The fact that you have only interacted with the police 6 times in your life leads me to believe that you

a) Are white.

b) Drive a nice car.

c) Live and drive in a decent area.

I am white and I have to put up with stupid shit from cops, minorities have had it much worse for a long time and only in the last 10 years (around here) have they started standing up for themselves more. 6 interactions with cops in your life means you have no clue why people are pissed off at them even though there are thousands of videos online that might give you an idea.

Originally Posted by theking View Post
Well...like it or not...it has been PRETTY MUCH this way for your life time.

Note...pretty much...and small town cops usually were and are much more forgiving than big city cops.

if u know the law they will not do too much

Pigs In Gear Suck.

I have been pulled over three times in my lifetime. Twice for speeding and once for a tail light being out...which I was not aware of. No problems at all on any of the stops. The cops were professional and I did not have an attitude. I have known about a dozen cops quite well in my life time...as most were former school mates of mine and one thing I learned from them is that after a few years on the force they became to view it as "them and us". After a few years of dealing with assholes...and scum they became jaded.

I'm not trying to discredit you, just trying to find out why. In my life I have found that most people who have trouble with the cops tend to invite that trouble and I was just curious why you have had so many interactions with them.

To answer your assumptions.

A. I am white.

B. I have two cars. I have a 1996 Ford Escort that isn't anything fancy, but I have had it for a while and it runs great. It is my winter car because it handles great in crappy weather. About 2 years ago we had a major snow storm and a carport collapsed on it. There was enough damage to total it so I bought it back as salvage and still drive it. Now it kind of looks like a mope car because it has a few dents and some scratches in the paint and I never wash it. My other car is a 1967 Mustang convertible. I don't drive it during the winter because it doesn't handle well in the crappy weather and it wasn't made for cold weather so you freeze your ass off. I will admit, it is a sharp looking car and there is nothing I like more on a sunny day than to put the top down, crank up the Springsteen and go for a drive. Of the six times I have been pulled over three of them were in the Escort (twice since it was totaled) and the other three were earlier cars I had that weren't that great.I'm 40 years old and have had a few nice cars in my life, but mostly average cars. The only time I have ever had any communication with the cops when I am driving the Mustang is to complement me on it or ask something about it. IE the other day in a parking lot I was parked to go into a store and a couple of cops asked if the car was a 6cyl, a 289 or if it had the 390 motor. They had a bet. Mine has the Code K 289.

C. I live in a very small town now where I know all the cops by name and vice verse. I grew up in a small town, but moved out of it when I was 18. The only cop in that town I knew by name was the one everyone said was a dick, but I never met him myself. I have lived in nice areas. I have lived way out in the country in the middle of nowhere and I have lived in downtown Los Angeles. I have also lived in some shitty places. I lived in an apartment complex for a while that was so bad the cops were there at least 3 times per week and I saw two of my neighbors have brawls with the cops because they were drunk and being stupid. So I think I have a decent variety of places where I have lived.

Played cover bands for a living for over 20 years. Wrote lots of original songs of course...but spent too much time touring.

Worked with King Music down in Miami for the early 1980's, then K&Marz productions became my agents in 1983 through 1987, in 1988 I signed with Showtime Entertainment (not the cable channel) and later signed with CMC Productions when they took over Showtime. Then Fantasma Productions was my agent as well as Omni Entertainment.

Basically we played every rock club from Key West to Detroit, from Charleston to Memphis

The music was mostly the popular heavy music of the time. In 1979 we were playing a lot of Van Halen and Stones and Zep. In the early 80's we played a shitload of "hair band" stuff. In the early 90's it was Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Metallica stuff.

Now...I still play every once in a while. Mostly classic rock stuff that I like to play. Our next gig is Nov. 25th here in Vegas
http://tptrash.com is my music site.

No, I'm 49 years old. It changed about 20 years ago. So I'm gonna have to wait about ten years for it to be most of my lifetime.

100 Presumptions About My Lifetime. lol

The fuckwad cops in my small town are what inspired my original cop hate, actually. Most of the rest since then, from NYC to Cleburne, TX have done nothing but confirm my original feelings.

Of all my negative interactions with cops only one was something you could blame on me. I've had way more than 10 interactions though, I'll post them in no particular order because this goes back 15 or so years. I'm only going to post the negative interactions of course. I probably had 1 good interaction for every 3 or 4 negative ones but I am white, my best friend was a cop in one town around here, my dad worked code enforcement and new several of the local cops, I know half of the cops in my hometown, one cousin is FBI and the other is an ex police detective so sometimes who I know may have played a part in how I was treated.

1) When I was a teenager my next door neighbor invited his black friend to our hick town. Within 5 minutes of him being there I walked outside to find his friend laid over the hood of a police car being frisked right in the middle of the street in front of my house. "What the fuck are you doing?" was my response.

2) Same street. I was standing in front of my neighbors house looking at his new speaker system that he had in the trunk of his car. State trooper that lived down the road rolled by really slow giving us the stink eye. 5 minutes later the local cops show up for us "playing the stereo so loud the cop down the road (1/4 mile) can hear it". Problem being, none of it was hooked up.

3) I dropped a friend of in the main city at around 2:00 AM. It was labor day or something and we had been swimming all day and at a concert all night. I was wet, barefooted and tired. Car full of drunk teens drive up, pull a gun, try to rob us and only leave when my friends dad comes out with a shotgun. Cops are called, cop grills me on "Where do you live? Why are you here at 2:00 am? You need to get your ass home." I was 21 at the time and FUCK YOU was my response. Same cop screwed me on a wreck a few years before but at least she was nice at the time so no story there.

4) The one that you could blame on me. When I was 18 I had a couple of roommates. The cops decided that they obviously sold drugs from my apartment and sent the jump out boys (8 or 10 cops that knock twice then ram your door, yes I answered) at around midnight. For starters they didn't sell drugs but they did smoke copious amounts of weed so nothing was there. 8 cops, about 5 people in my apartment at the time and the whole time they are searching for all this shit they sell and are finding nothing they still feel the need to berate everyone, threaten them with jail, talk shit about their clothes, accuse me of lying (I don't do illegal drugs of any kind) and just being douchebags in general. I don't remember all of the conversations off hand but I cussed at quite a few of them in the sarcastic "What in the fuck is your problem?" way. They found nothing (stems), made no arrests but did manage to get me kicked out of my apartment.

5) Really fucking stupid but LAST YEAR a cop told me I had to leave the arcade we have at our boardwalk here. I told him he was full of shit and walked off. After one more time of me telling him to leave me the fuck alone he did, around 20 people listened to him and left.

6) I'm tired of this shit so going to be several in one. When I lived in an even smaller town I had 2 or 3 neighbors that hated me for no reason, never even spoke to them. Rumors were I sold drugs (whole town) because I never left for work (webmaster and eBay), drove a nice car and had some toys. In the 4 years I lived there I probably had the cops come by around 10 times for.

a) Dog barking at 4:00 in the afternoon.
b) Fighting with wife in the yard. (We weren't even outside)
c) Dog not having a dog house when it was cold. (Had an entire storage building filled with hay)
d) Having an unruly party at 9:00 at night (No party, no noise)
e) Driving 4 wheelers at high speeds with a baby on board, ramping hills etc. (My cop friend brought his 4-wheeler over and drove my then 1 year old son around the yard at about 1/2 a mile per hour)
f) Several other silly things I can't remember.
g) Trailer parked .5 inches into our very wide dead end road. 5 houses on the entire road. Anyhow, no big deal cop says neighbor wanted it moved. I went to go move it and he said wait until morning, it's raining. OK, thanks. 6:00 the next morning a cop is knocking on my door, someone has called again. He got cussed through?. I basically told him that I wasn't sure which idiot neighbor was calling the cops to harass me but if I saw him drive to their house after he left mine I would go over there and whoop their motherfucking ass so for once his visit would be justified. He apologized, laughed and left.

7) Oh shit, I forgot the most memorable one somehow. Two cops knock on my door, detectives. Seems someone complained that something I sold them on eBay wasn't correct (sold some grab bag type baseball card stuff) and they DROVE 3 hours to the police station to complain.

First of all, I refunded anyone that complained about anything if they sent my shit back. I paid 10 cents on the dollar for what I sold at the time so I definitely didn't want the hassle.

Anyhow, they ask nicely to come in which is fine. They ask me if I sell baseball cards, yep sure do. Then one of these fuckers starts demanding to see all this stuff from the ad, show me this and show me that. Giant fucking asshole for no reason. I walk him to my office and even the greatest of idiots would see that I'm running some sort of mail order business with baseball cards. There are about 50 pieces of mail from that day with the payment amounts written on the envelope and checks stacked up beside them. There are about 100 packages already packaged up with labels to be shipped. There are about 10,000 cards on a table being sorted and there are hundreds of dollars in stamps, shipping supplies etc laying around.

So what does this dumbass decide to do after he sees an obviously large mailing operation?

Cop: "Why the fuck are you ripping people off?"

Me: "What the fuck are you talking about?"

Cop: "You're taking these people's money and not sending them what they ordered."

Me: "Are you kidding me?"

Cop: "No, why are you stealing money from people?"

Me: "Dude, my average order is $25. Why the fuck would I want to steal $25 order, if I were going to rob someone I'd at least sell something worth $1000".

Cop: "Yeah, you're robbing people $25 at a time!"

Me: "You stupid motherfucker, I make more money than you do. Look at the 1099 behind you!" (It was a clickcash 1099, thank you clickcash for all the bucks)

At this point he grabs at his belt like he's reaching for cuffs or a gun and is extremely fucking pissed. I yelled at my wife and threw my wallet that had about $3000 cash in it out of the room we were in so she could come bail me out if I got arrested. I didn't know if he was going to arrest me, hit me or what but he was ready to fucking fight. When he was grabbing at his belt I took a step towards him to throw my wallet and his partner that had remained silent this entire time stepped in between us and told us both to calm down. Nice cop asks me if I will refund the guy, I say yes so he gets a check from me and leaves.

Funniest part but unrelated to cops, they left the cards this guy ordered at my house when they left. I go through them, about $1000 in cards are missing. He took every good card there was then drove 2 hours or so to bitch about me to the police. l o fucking l.

Anyhow, that's off the top of my head. There are others like the asshole cop in New Orleans during Mardi that wouldn't let me carry my nearly unconscious wife past a sawhorse and instead demanded I walk 30 foot around a hot dog stand instead and a few other minor things. Point being, I don't inherently respect cops and when they are fucking up like you see in the video it really pisses me off.

Doesn't that happen every day in Compton?

Agree 100%.

All the people sayin 'oh but she should have complied, why did she resist etc' She looked pretty relaxed, sipping on her drink, sittong on the police car - does that strike anyone as an aggressive act?

Police like oldmate in the plain clothes need to be held accountable for their actions no matter what. Letting them off scott free only encourages them.

Imagine how many of these cases have been brushed aside before the mobile phone had video............

This right here explains everything. You don't like cops, and you hate authority.

Every contact you've had with police has been brought on by yourself, your acting like a fucking dick and being treated like one.

A few highlights:
1) Don't ask the police "What the fuck" they are doing.
2) The police weren't harressing you. They were fishing and sending you a message saying "We are watching".
3) Your driving around at 2am, barefoot, looking like death, and you got held up at gun point, and your gonna mouth off at the cop asking you questions like "Where do you live?" and then your gonna tell them to fuck off? Really?
4) So you were in handcuffs and mouthing off to the cops again?
5) You told the cops to fuck off. Again?
6) Your neighbors called in their complaints, the police poked around a bit and... They did their job?
7) Again, someone complained (people are dicks), police show up, ask questions - doing their job - and you... Mouthed off yet again.

You see a cop, instantly fear the worst, and act like a jerk. Instead of being being respectful, you mouth off. Every time an officer meets you for the first time, they quickly size you up - and with your mouth they know exactly what kind of person you are.

You get what you deserve. Disrespect a police officer, mouth off to them, and you'll get treated like shit.

You mentioned that "last year you were in an arcade" so I'm guessing your a kid. You've had more contact with the police at a young age than I've had in forty-three years. And that says a lot.

At a certain point in time you grow up and discover that police aren't there to fuck with you, they are there to do their job. But most twenty-two year olds don't understand this when they are in the arcade. The house across the street was robbed a year ago; I want the police driving down my street every twenty minutes fucking with anyone who looks out of place.

Well, I don't know you or anything about you other than what you post on this board, but if it were me and I read this post about the problems I have had with the cops I would ask myself: What kind of people am I hanging out with? What kind of person am I? Why is it that no matter where I go and what I do I attract the cops?

It seems like every interaction you have (well at least many of them) have you pissed off and acting like a jerk. I'm not saying it isn't unwarranted in some cases, but when you immediately act like that you send up a flag. It also sounds like you develop a reputation in some places or do things that might call attention to yourself. For example, the case where the cop told you to leave an arcade. Why would he do that? Did he just randomly select you from the crowd and tell you to leave?

Once the cops know you and know that trouble follows you they stop giving you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not saying that some cops have been a dick to you for no reason, you give a few good examples of exactly that happening, but I would ask myself why I was always in the middle of this.

It sounds like you had a good time. Can you make a decent living in a band like that? Back in the early 1990's I wrote for a music magazine that covered the northwest music scene. There were a ton of struggling bands playing anywhere they could get a gig and it seemed like most of them made very little money.

Not anymore. Live bands are like dinosaurs compared to what it used to be like.
We were playing 7 days a week, every week of the year traveling the country and being little rock stars. We were with the biggest agencies and made the most money...around $3,500 to $5,000 a week playing clubs.

BUT the agency took 15%, and we had a 3 man crew w/24 foot truck and giant P.A. and light show. We were a 5 piece band. So at the end of the week we paid ourselves $250 each for the band members.

It was tight...but we lived in band houses and hotels. Girls took care of us and fed us in every town. So basically my $250 each week I spent on tubes for my amp, guitar strings, etc.

Didn't have to buy drugs or alcohol 'cause that was all given to us. So I lived like a king off of that $250 each week...it was all profit and I paid no taxes. :)

Now I make a freakin' fortune, live in a giant two story house with a pool and a sport court, drive nice cars...and I'm stressed 24 hours a day.

Sometimes I wish I was back in that band traveling, fucking, and partying every night with my $250 lol

But that whole club circuit is long gone now. Killed by a combination of rap "music" that required no musicians, karaoke, etc.

These days it's not easy to find a GOOD band playing live anywhere. Even here in Vegas I rarely see a rock band that could have cut the mustard and played the "A" circuit back in the 1980's.

The competition and level of musicianship, showmanship, and production were sky high back then. You had to play and sing like a God and LOOK like a "rock star" too (we had to work out, tan, have our hair a certain length etc.) These days I walk into a club and see a band and it looks like a bunch of fat guys who just got off of a construction job.. lol

I'm not reading this thread.

Is it a race thread?

It used to be, back in 70's and 80's and even into the early 90's, that most bands started out playing anywhere they could and toured and played in front of 10 people and learned their craft so if they were lucky enough to get a deal and make it they could play live and sound as good or better than on a record. Then it seemed the industry changed and they didn't care about developing quality acts it became about hit singles. I saw bands that literally had only played 1 or 2 live gigs sign six figure recording contracts because they had a song a label thought could be a hit. I don't know how many bands I have seen live that I had big expectations for and was greatly let down. Now it is almost like when I see a live band and they are good I am actually surprised by it.

Sounds like you had a hell of a good time though for a while. I imagine you have some pretty wild stories to tell.

I remember this one local band had a singer that was amazing. One of the best voices I have ever heard live and they made so little he would make money by winning karaoke contests. Eventually he was offered a job hosting a karaoke show so he took it and left the band. It is a sad day when you leave being in a band to be a karaoke guy because the pay is better.

I remember playing The Silver Dollar Saloon in Flynt Michigan (and no...we usually played big ass clubs that held from 800 to 2000 or more people) and on the wall of the club the owner had all the contracts that bands had signed to play the club.

It was an older rock club. He had Aerosmith's contract when they played there a week, KISS, ZZ Top, and a bunch of other really big rock bands that had played the circuit when they started out and had played that club.

It was always pretty cool to see stuff like that.

And yeah...I've seen some of the most talented people in the world who never get to "make it".

I remember going to an after hours little dive in Jackson, Mississippi after we finished our gig. It was like 4 in the morning and I went there with a group of whores...and there was a guy playing open tuned slide guitar in a rock/blues band who was every bit as good as Ry Cooder playing slide. I just stood there with my jaw on the ground. Felt embarrassed that we were playing the "Big" club in town with all the stuff that came along with that while he was playing a shit hole and was just loaded with talent.

That would have been intense. :2 cents:

Your cops do not fuck around.

fuck the police officers

I hate cops

Why would you feign respect for someone who clearly has no respect for you or your rights? The fact is that there are a great number of police officers that are unfit to wear the badge, and this guy is one of them. He clearly has a problem controlling his aggression.


I'm pretty sure police officers aren't trained to subdue a suspect - a woman no less - by choking them and repeatedly punching them in the ribs. The police department should, at the least, make this guy go through some kind of training course on how to properly subdue a suspect, coupled with some anger management and an unpaid suspension.


You know why this guy acts like that? Because they're in North Dakota and there's absolutely nothing going on. This was probably the highlight of this cops year. From my experiences, cops in the city are much more level headed and well trained because they actually have to work for their paychecks fighting real crime. It's only in the suburbs where you see these power tripping assholes, for the most part.

You would probably be shocked, stunned and disturbed to know exactly how little training most cops have.

They go through the academy, most of which is classroom stuff to teach them about laws and how to do things to make lawyers happy. During the time in the academy they get about 7-10 days of hand to hand training that they call defensive tactics. After they are out of the academy if they get a defensive tactics refresher or training course once every five years they are lucky. My town is does a thing they call con-sim training. This is where they have guns that look real, but have been modified to shook paint bullets and they do scenarios where deadly force likely will be needed. Not all of the scenarios are deadly force, the idea is that it helps teach you when to use it and how to do so if you need to. They get this training once per year. They are one of the few departments in the state that even does this training. This training used to be part of the academy and they just cut it from there. this means there are a lot of offices who are on the street where the only deadly force training they have had is target shooting to qualify with their gun and a little in class study.

It is frightening, but budgets are being cut and when they do the first thing to go is training.

Everyday life.

Nope, Most time if its a female, they call a female cop. I do not think you every will see a male cop hit a female over no fucking phone. That is a punk bitch

How do you fuckers not get it yet? I will ask the cops whatever the fuck I want. They are not above the God damned law and respect is earned when you are dealing with me. I know I am a rude motherfucker, it's the same thing I'd say if I saw one of you doing the shit above. A badge does not deter me and I'm glad I'm not the only one in the world that will stand up for his rights.