Well it has been like that since the printing press, so I think you're wrong. What do you think has changed in recent times to make you think they can stop it?

Yes. It is ineffective and a waste of money. I've always said that. And, to my knowledge, not one of the companies offering this 'service' has proven it works. My position is that if you are spending a grand on a content removal service you would make more sales spending that grand on marketing. And I am willing to be tested on this and offer a full money back guarantee if I am wrong.


So you think the money spent on the war on drugs is good too then?

So you think it's BAD that the sundance films are being sold you youtube?

Would you prefer less people to see them?

I get really confused as to what you are actually saying.

You think the internet is bad, hasn't made more people more creative, hasn't given a worldwide distribution platform to people and is just there to fuck your shit up?

Make a point.

And learn how quoting works. Your stuff is hard to read.

DamianJ, Just curious, what do you do in the adult industry?

The solutions you are suggesting are not realistic. You talk about Youtube raising a few thousand dollars to replace millions of dollars, which is what the "Hurt Locker" took in earnings.

You don't address the problem of why people will pay on youtube when google will show them where to download for free.

Computers without doubt have revolutionized music, photography, video and special effects production

....The Internet has the potential to give the world access to people of culture and information, but also the danger that it will destroy the cultural industries replacing them with banal stupid garbage pretending to be culture.

People one way or the other, have to pay for the product they consume. It can be social, that all who have the internet pay a subscription, or the internet companies are taxed, or that people run sites with pirated footage are arrested and people pay per view.

I notice that no one posted any music done at home that would match what the Beatles did with the studio system more than 40 years ago. This shows that it is not just technology or the ease of it.

Final Cut Pro is easy to use, but if you see what a professional editor can do with it, it shows that it is just a tool and it is the use of very skilled people working in groups that produces great music and movies.

No, I've not suggested any solutions at all.

No I didn't. I talked about youtube showing sundance films to a new and bigger audience. I didn't mention replacing anything. I didn't mention hurt locker. I said that I thought getting sundance films on youtube was good. Do you not think it is?

There is no solution to that problem, that is why I didn't address it Cherry.


Can't see anyone disagreeing with you apart from GG who is a mentalist and the obvious troll.

Either that or they thought it wasn't worth answering. You won't have HEARD of anyone working today on their home computer. I think Darwin Deez's album which he recorded at home, on his own, is excellent. No, it's not Sgt Pepper's, but nothing else would be. The point you are making is banal. Show me an album made in a studio in the last 40 years that matches it. There isn't one. So, your point is what? The Beatles were good? Yes. Of course they were. What has that got to do with the price of fish?

Another astounding point. A good FCP editor can make a good film. Fuck me.

You know I asked you to make a point earlier? If this is the caliber of your points, don't bother.

The Beatles were one offs and nothing has been done better.
Final Cut, if used well, can be used to make good films.

Game changing shit. You should win educational thread of the month man!

You can call me Damian. I'm a marketing consultant. The signature should have been a clue to that really. I work for variety of high end clients like Playboy UK, middle size ones like 3wayscash and even a few small ones too. My speciality is email (you can read through the educational series posts I was asked to make here on Email 101, 102, 103 in that section). I really thrive on creative work for banners, print ads, etc. I am good at ideas. I work with companies to create email strategies and creatives to win back ex members, retain existing ones and get new members. I also do copy writing, UI, tour work etc. Not actually the completed design, just the wireframes then work with existing designers. I set up and manage affiliate programmes and also do card magic.

Why do you care?

I think this law and the next and the next will slow it down. Unlike you I'm not a quitter, I keep fighting. You can get on all 4s and stick your ass in the air and hold the lube for those about to ram you, me I'm a fighter.

Spending a grand on you would be a waste of money. :1orglaugh

Yes, because without the war it would be 10 times worse.

And without piracy being illegal and measure to stop it. what would stop everyone being a pirate and you have no marketing to do?

Or maybe there would be so many pirating the income from being a pirate would be less. Then how would dead beat pay their rent?

He's a marketing expert. Can't you see how good he is?

Look at the mansion it bought him, look at his wit, repartee and wonderful self marketing he does.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CtonI...oGk&playnext=1 his videos on youtube.

http://vimeo.com/user2552989/videos

http://www.damianjennings.com/ is this his real job?

Are you reading the material you are posting ?


The point about the Beatle was not that it was done by the Beatles but that it was produced by a studio system that concentrated skills absent from someone working on their own. It could have been a Cream album , a Dire Straights or Santana Album, or Bierut.

I did not say a good editor could make a good film, I said he could edit, a skill that is possessed by humans not computers.


As you agreed that there is nothing to stop google undermining attempts to get people to pay per view and other methods do not exist, you should be able to understand why the film studios and trade unions are worried by wholesale and industrial scale piracy.

If you want to stop bad laws that will curtail Internet freedom, finding a way of stopping piracy would be a good idea.

He used to have this video on his magicians site, until I posted it wan not the best marketing to show people who might book him for a wedding, he works in porn.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/stupid.jpg

I was kind enough to point out his mistake and told him of it. I told him posting videos of himself looking like an idiot who lives in a dump wasn't good marketing either. He changed the location to shooting it another dump and then in the pub. Still looks like an idiot. IMO. He can't change that. Mu opinion or him looking like an idiot.

Maybe people thinks he work in the pet trade with a girl with a band around her neck that says "Pussycash." LOL

That was a very poor trolling attempt.

Yes, can you distinguish between words I say and words someone else says?

So you can't get good music unless you work in a team, is *that* your point?

Again, unsure of the point you were making then. That you need an editor to make a film? Well, d'oh.

That's impossible. I keep telling you that, and history has proven it.

Why is that Paul?

If you quote someone in your post and put your name to it, it is to make it your argument.

Yes, teams of creative people produce better. Humans work in groups.


No, the point with the editor is that although new software and cameras make it look easy and accessible to everyone, great results are obtained when it is used by a highly skilled person.


In the past you are a 100% right that piracy was a minor problem, it was not worth the bother fighting, it may even have helped sales more than hindered them.

BUT don't you see that there has been a qualitative and quantitative change?

1) the copying does not degrade, the copy is the original. The illegal copy is as good as the legal one.

2) It is on an unlimited scale. Once one copy is out on the Internet it is beyond control.

3) Big Internet companies with lobby groups make money out of it.


So either Hollywood charges $100,000,000 for the first copy , and the rest are free. Or a way has to be found that the users pay for the content they consume.

It will be interesting to see whether the USA will watch their Media industry be destroyed, losing that amount of wealth generation.

China's feature film industry is growing quickly, their films are good, and maybe they won't make that mistake.

gotcha, I didn't notice the sig at the bottom. wasn't trying to be a smart ass....

or you could open source the development like a life in a day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_in_a_Day_(2011_film)

seriously you need to check out the shit that is being produced by the crowd funding community
stop looking at the video store as the begining and the end of everything movies.

it areas like documentaries, social causes and yes STORY driven movies

that stuff out of the crowdfunding space is miles ahead of the shit you see in the theater.

People care, and they don't get noted to death by the suits from the movie studios.


for bigger movies you INNOVATE

we should have 6 spectrum color by now
we should have arthroscopic 3d
movies should have time triggered scents happening with the movie
and true 22 point surround sound

if you had that kind of innovation in the theaters it wouldn't matter if a pirate cammed the movie and gave it away for free. Hell you could even sell the dvd, show it on tv, and give it away for free and people would still want to see it in the theater


BECAUSE THE MOVIE EXPERIENCE WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER

the problem is the cam is too fucking close to the movie experience
copyright holders have been using the monopoly as a crutch rather then improving technology.

mike tompkins was the first musician to create an entire with only his mouth
unlike other acapella songs his acapella version sounded like it had the full band behind him.

this work has resulted in 100s of people copying the style of music he "created"

he did something that was never done before

He appeared on good morning america, Ellen and dozens of other shows based on his creativity.

That the guy you called "untalented and uncreative people using the works of others"



your entire business is a copy of someone elses you just changed the pricing structure

your like robbie claiming taking a bit that wayne's world did years ago and doing nothing but changing the situation to porn is some how creative.

but arguing that people who create something that never existed before out of the commonly repeatedly copied idea is less creative.

If you add up all the money that has been spent on lobbyist, lawyers and anti-piracy campaigns

put that money in improving filming and theater broadcasting technology

we would have theaters what have true 6 color video
22 point surround sound
event triggered olfactory events
and 3d that does not require stupid glasses

if a theater produced that quality, the illegal copy would not be anywhere close to the original.




maybe the could if they made the experience in the theater better.

I guess I'm not as easily impressed as you.

People have been synthesizing with their voice for decades. He still has to record each track separately as seen on the Ellen Degenres show where he was covered the singing part only and all the other tracks were pre-recorded and digitized on the screen behind him.

So when it comes to 'talent" , what do I have?..... a singer basically. Or he could record the singing part and cover an individual part, like the Tom-toms or something.

Its not exactly blowing my mind here.



Unlike yourself Gideon, I have skin in the adult game and have been DMCA'ing since I got into adult 8 years ago. I've helped other webmasters find their material for years but ultimately, charging a nominal sum to do it (now that its so widespread and can't be monitored on a casual basis) for others who don't have the time makes logical sense on both parts. Are you saying every business needs to ask others in the same niche whether its ok to do what they were doing anyway?

no matter who little it impresses you it a lot more innovative as your copy catting of someone else business model.



nope remember i am the guy arguing in favor of the right of making derivative work without having to beg for permission first.

you were the person who argued against it

interesting how you seem to have a problem with the same rules applied to your business

copying your competitors entire business process,adding nothing new whatsoever is ok when your the copycat

but

copying someone else "words" while making sure that it different enough that it doesn't cost the original artist a sale isn't.

I knew that even on a good day your response would be poorly thought out, what happened ? ....smack your head on the way down to the basement ?

You're comparing apples and oranges. You know that though ;)

For what it's worth, Damian has been spot on for this entire thread.

I'm sure he's happy that you and some others agree with him. I do not. He doesn't have any experience or any idea about what he's talking about on this matter.

Thank God I have gideongallery on "ignore" You should do yourself a favor and put him on ignore as well.

In his mind...Verizon and ATT can't both exist because one is a "copycat" of the other.
And yet it should be perfectly fine to STEAL other people's creative work and monetize it and destroy the creators ability to do so.

Dude...he will just drive you crazy with his mind numbing double talk and horseshit. Put him on "ignore" and your life will be much better. He has nothing of any substance to add to this forum in any way.

He isn't in this business. And to listen to his theories...I have serious doubts he is in ANY business.

I find it frustrating for you to believe that b/c it's clear you have taken steps necessary to not only compete, but to thrive in an evolving market. From a product standpoint, from a technology standpoint, and from a pr standpoint, you have all bases covered. The frustrating part is that instead of using your pulpit to say "This is the hand we've been dealt, we cannot rely on the government to come 'save' the industry, and this is what you need to do to compete in the current climate and ever evolving market", you always side with those who lacked the foresight to take such steps. You're having taken such steps also allows you to have a false hope b/c you'll be fine regardless of what happens and you will continue to do what you need to do, whereas others will just sit there waiting at the altar and whining while tears run down their collective cheeks.

But you have to understand...the things I've done to stay successful, I had DamianJ saying every step of the way that none of it would work. I even gave him a user/pass to prove he couldn't download our members area movies. He went in and right clicked the tiny, low res version I GIVE for download and claimed "victory"

Dude, trust me...I've never met Damian. He may be a nice guy in real life. And he may have some good ideas in the field of email marketing. But that's where it ends in my opinion.

He has been nothing but disrespectful and before I put him on ignore for being so disrespectful I couldn't help but notice that he tried to discourage anybody from protecting themselves and their income.

It doesn't make any sense to me, but that's what he does.

As far as this law goes...It's obvious to me that STEALING is not a business model and it's killing many companies (talking mainstream). It has to be curtailed. It destroyed my affiliate side of my business. Caused me to lay off all 3 employees I had.

It isn't right. And "yes" it's time for something to replace the outdated DMCA.

I've been pretty damn successful at this. And I've "adapted" each time and had great success to whatever came my way.
In the end it doesn't matter what you or I think about this. It's gonna happen (hopefully sooner than later).

I don't see any downside to my business from this law. All I see is a definite UPSWING in money.

I think that the folks screaming about "losing our freedom" by stopping people from stealing are being drama queens. That's just my opinion.

In the end...it's going to happen. And I hope that you and the rest of my peers here on GFY are able to hang on until then and then be able to prosper as you should from your hard work.

Interesting analogy there, my fictional friend of ambiguous sexuality, but therein lie a few more questions.

How much money should those associated with such a project expect to make from their role in making the documentary? Probably not much, but it wouldn't be all about the money for them b/c they'd be working on a project that they felt was important.

How much money will said people actually make? Probably a little less than they expected to make.

The majority of people who would be involved in such a project would also likely be bring a certain level of expertise to the table and most would either have advanced degrees in film or have at least some type of formal education to qualify them for the project.

The majority of content producers in adult are doing it strictly for the money and their financial expectation are much higher than what an NYU film grad would expect to make on such a documentary. Additionally, their expectations are largely based on what others were making during a closed market and not on what will be the perceived social value of the end product.

To clarify, I'm only defending the points Damian has made in this thread and not the points he's made in other threads. I'm certainly not defending his general behaviour. I'm also not defending the 'losing our freedom' idiots as I agree that they are also a bunch of drama queens.

My only points are that it's natural for profits to drop in a more open market and that there have always been unintended consequences when governments have been given more power so it's not realistic to expect profits to ever return to what they were and it's probably not a good idea to give more power to a government which has always had a generally anti-porn sentiment.

Edited to make more sense. :thumbsup

He wants people to give up the fight against piracy. Draw your own conclusions why that is.

He says it's to stop them wasting their time and money. But as that has no effect on his income I'm skeptical.

Today a big launch is underway for a computer game. Call of Duty.

It must of cost millions to produce the software. Money that's paid for by sales. It will being a lot of pleasure to people and earn billions fr those involved in the business of producing it and selling it. Not a few people, 100s or even 1,000s of people.

GG, Damian and others want to see the laws on piracy relaxed. so games like this can't be produced? Because that is the inevitable destination of the route they want people to go down.

Or so they can get it for free while others pay?

We've all seen the huge devastation free porn, in what ever form, is doing to porn. They now want it done to everything. Or do they think everything will be immune to the effect that giving the product away for free will effect it's development?

No, it is to alert you to a something that is interesting and pertinent.

Some do. Some don't. Dylan was much better on his own than with a band.

I notice you never back up your out-of-your-arse facts with any citations.

Still not sure what your point is? You are saying people can't produce what you deem great unless they went to film school and work in a team?

OK, whatever.

The media industry seems to be doing fine to me.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...ince-2007.html

Yeah. There's no piracy in China. Good point.

Make a counterpoint then, Robster. Or is your nose bleeding from too much sniff?

Damian sees the world as he wants it to be. Not a real world, just the world he imagines.

I worked in offline porn for a long time and I know how it flourished. If by some fluke and it will be a fluke, porn is removed from online the boost to porn will be enormous. Millions now hooked on porn will have to go out ad buy it. For pornographers this will be a boost of money that will make them stagger. for people who are just in the "marketing" of porn it will be a devastation. They are terrified of this.

However this is me doing a Damian and seeing a world as I would lie it and not the real one. In the real world, piracy sites will come down. Sites that accept any content from anyone, will close. Even TGPs. It will change the business in ways none of you can imagine. You will have to make sure the content you have is 100% legal. If not, you run the risk of the owner of that content, closing you down.

It will have an effect on the number of people looking at porn. The selection of free porn will be limited. Because no site will accept content from anyone, without a huge risk of losing their business. This could have a huge effect on sign ups. Limit the free porn and then more will have pay. Unless big sites decide with the new dawn approaching to keep giving porn away for free. :(

If someone shuts down a legitimate legal site with malicious lies that the content is stolen. They will face the consequences. This will happen outside our little bubble of online porn.

Will it even effect advertising. Will a site like GFY be liable for an advert carrying pirated content?

Adapt or die. :thumbsup

I bought a pass. I downloaded a file. It was victory. Kinda embarrassing for you really. You need to learn that if it is on my screen, I can pirate it.

You've met me twice. Maybe you were off your head on coke? Once you begged me to arrange to do a shoot with Lady Sonia. Remember?

I was put off by your jericurled hair and misogyny, so I never even suggested the shoot to my client.

I was never disrespectful. You were just so stupid you thought me having a different opinion to you was a personal affront.

I repeat my challenge. Take the money you give to a content removal company and let me spend it on marketing. If I don't make you more revenue I will give you DOUBLE to money back.

I am proud of my ability to make more money for a company.

It's so sweet you think this law would a)pass and b) have any impact on you if it did. This is about the MPAA not porn.

Where does anyone aside from mental GG say that. Can you explain the bill in one sentence? I bet you 20 bucks you can't. I bet you've not read it. I bet, in fact, you struggle with reading.

I repeat my Markham bet. I will wager GFY it won't happen. If the bill passes I leave forever, if it doesn't, you leave forever. Put your money where your mouth is.

People being racist has no impact on my income, I want that to stop too. Sometimes people in this world think outside their own selfish little world.

Where have I said that, ever?

You really need to stop lying Paul. Or I will start posting the documentation I have about why you REALLY had to flee the UK. I promised I wouldn't, but I think it's time everyone knew the truth, don't you?

and that why i said your definition of control is crazy

All the text on your competitors web site is also protected by copyright

re read the act there is no special song lyric clause in the copyright act.

remember you objected to taking 3 distinct songs and remixing them together into a brand new performance



you objected to someone using nothing but the words completely changing the tone, tempo, and emotional context.



you objected to using the lyrics to prove a concept genre change in the industry



big enough to get today coverage



you arguing for a change to the context of fair use that would prevent such productions for music

but for MARKETING MATERIAL equally protected by copyright you don't want anything close.

try it explain what you do without remixing any of the words and phrases of your competitors in any of the ways you objected too.

It may be a surprise but people working on documentaries want to earn a normal wage, want to be able to buy a house, have a family and bring up children. As these technicians are freelance it has to be more than the average wage to make up for lost earning between projects...

The deregulation of the film industry and the 1000s of people who think that liberation is to do it for free, is having a devastating effect on the industry (in the UK ). You are probably right about the adult market.

As I have said many times I am I guy, so maybe you should stop being a dick about it.

Is it?

https://img.skitch.com/20111108-jfgf...4ska67n6w7.jpg

Damn those pesky facts getting in the way of your well thought out argument.

You quoted somebody to make some points, I answered them, you then deny you made them or agree with them.

If Bod Dylan worked on his own you would have never heard of him. Hundreds of skilled people went in to making what we know as "Bob Dylan" , including working with one of the best rock bands ever. "The Band".
Want a citation

Guthrie had been a revelation to Dylan and was the biggest influence on his early performances

inspired partly by Guthrie and influenced by Pete Seeger's passion for topical songs



In Wikipedia you can read how the record company supported him, who he played with, the clubs he played with other musicians.

If you don't believe in skills, training, professionalism and working socially in structured groups the next time you are dangerously ill don't go to a hospital come round to my house and we will google it.

Certain sections of the film industry are still making big money, the top end 3D blockbusters , the irony is it is the modestly budgeted film and all UK production that has stopped.

and none of those stats include the movies that were pre- funded with a kickstarter campaign.

or the donation model of giving it away for free and then saying contribute if you want us to do more movies like this