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I hope it passes, I'm sick of seeing my girls' content all over pirate sites and tubes
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again this is why i say we should put an amendment in this bill that voids the copyright privileges of any copyright holder who abuses these new rights to take down authorized activities (fair use/ non infringing activities/authorized activities). the only people who have a problem with this are those that know that they will use it to destroy freedoms (either on purpose or "accidentally") and as a founding father once said those people deserve to be punish for they tyranny. |
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Robinson Crusoe did all his work alone http://niclikesausten.files.wordpres...son_crusoe.jpg Thats what clothes look like made by a person on his own. But most people live in societies, and work in groups. A TV series like "The Wire" involves a hundred or more highly trained and experienced artists and technicians. New technology has made it possible to record music at home, make films etc...has this led to a flood of great works? Has the new technology produced some interesting new work? yes say "Monsters" but although made very cheaply and small crew, made by people trained in the film industry, and still costing tens of thousands of dollars. In my world both arms dealers and the people that use to guns go to prison. PS please don't use my real name, thanks. |
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Anyway, this has nothing to do with the bill. Please finish this sentence: "I think letting hollywood censor the internet with no due process is good because..." |
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If that rule would of been applied to online porn. This would be an very lonely place? Most of them are still working from their living rooms, bedrooms or the basement of their Mum's house. This law or one like it will pass. Live with it or go get another job. The last people who will have any say in the matter are the people in online porn. http://www.mrgreg.org/images/misc/old_man_cloud.jpg My excuse is being old. Their's is ????????????????????????????? Scared they might lose an income source is the only one I can think of. |
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If that sales and profit potential is reduced by copyright violation. They are hindered and spend less. Everything GG is using to type his babble on this board went through this process. If the piracy had a bad effect on R & D. He wouldn't have a computer which can do what it does, wouldn't have programs that let him do what he does. Copyright is good. It means a drugs company can spend millions on R & D for a drug, same with computers, cars, airplanes and even biscuits in the supermarket. Imagine a world where GG gets his way and there's no such thing as copyright. Or is he saying it's only for online? So if I have the formula for a new cancer drug that cost 10s of millions to R & D. I can share it on the Internet? No the pirated philosophy is simple. Others can pay so I can get it for free. The last thing he wants is to have what he campaigns for. It would mean much fewer would bother to produce new things. |
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He said: "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" He also said a variation of that: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" Somehow I don't think he was talking about your freedom to see torrent sites as a "cloud backup system" for your content. |
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Gideon would have it so that if Sony decided to sue people who were illegally downloading their content and they filed 10,000 lawsuits and 9,999 of them were correct and ended up with them winning in court or settling out of court, but one of them happened to be where someone innocent was accidentally charged then Sony has to give up all of their copyrights. So all of their movies, music and TV shows now become public domain and their source of income is gone. So what would happen is that companies would simply not do anything about piracy. They would be forced to just let it happen for fear that they might accidentally charge the wrong person and lose everything they have. When there is absolutely no deterrent and everyone knows they can't come after you piracy would explode to the point where many companies would simply either stop making content or they would make it so cheap and so low budget that it sucked, but they would be forced to to do so because the window of actually making money on it would be very small. |
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I wonder why you have to be a dick about it. I saw on one of my friends computers that she had 23 gig of MP3 music from the 60s onwards.. all made in professional studios. None made in people's bedrooms... she was not one of your millions.. all obtained from the Internet making Internet companies richer and the music industry poorer. The internet is censored, they just sent people to jail for what they wrote on facebook. Do I think the Internet should be a place without laws ? No. So it follows that the laws should be enforced and sites that break the law taken down. |
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those who trade in my freedom for their protection deserve to be punished for their tyranny don't you get. Every tyrant believes they are not a tyrant the definition is not mine it the definition of a founding father of your country Quote:
America was founded by revolting against those with the money. the fact that you admitted there is a risk proves that the you see the law being abused to destroy the freedoms the founding fathers held to be inalienable. we live in a world where public statements like yours live forever on the internet. Ask yourself a question do you think you would ever get elected to office if i could put your current quote in a campaign ad against you. with the tag line "selling out your freedoms to the highest bidder" at the end. if you think any politician is going to commit political suicide defending that position your dead wrong. That exactly why every previous bill died or got chopped to hell before it gets passed. |
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how many of those mp3 were paid for in the past bought on tape cassette, cd, or recorded off the radio considering the fact that most of those songs would be discovered on radio and mtv i would bet it almost 100% if not 100%. How else would they know what songs to download if they didn't hear it from a paid for source. once it paid for, then recovering it is just fair use. Quote:
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And before any one advocates it's the "big bosses" protecting what's theirs. Or any similar BS. Think deeper.
One examples apples to many 100s. Bill Gates amassed a fortune. I read just a moment ago it was $42000000000.000. $42 billion for those who can't count the zeros. Let's assume for every 2 cents he added to his wealth 98 were spent on Microsoft products. So take $42 billion and multiply it be 49. That's the money that Microsoft generated. Money that employed board members, who owned houses that had to be built, cars that had to be made and toilets that were cleaned by staff. Microsoft employs 1,000s of people that spend money in their community. Even the guy who cleans the toilets in Microsoft's offices earns money and spend it locally. Even shops selling the Microsoft products employ people, who earn money from sales and spend it again in other shops. These are huge businesses, some of the few left in the West, and harming them will have huge harmful repercussions. So as those who think this is a bad law tap away from home. They need to think who they work for, who puts food on their table. The pirates or the big bosses. Hard concept for those who are one man bands, scraping a living. When you used to employ 8 people. It gets easier to comprehend. To bring down the laws on copyright would be the most disastrous thing ever. It would mean a guy working out of his flat in Brighton or Moscow, could take someone else's hard work and make money on it. A lot less money than it would of generated and though he will get a return others will get fired. No system has ever flourished by getting rid of big business and the big bosses. most of the time it ended up with everyone being poorer. |
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fair use industries produce and utilize hard goods like servers, copiers, pvr which require pyysical transportation. They have much lower profit margins and spend more of their selling price on hiring people therefore have a greater multiplication effect. if anything if that an arguement for screwing over the copyright monopoly in favor of the business that would make money producing real items. |
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She is Polish, she had been given it by a friend and didn't know the music. I had been ripped off CDs and copied many many times. If you buy one Blu Ray that does not mean you have the right to suply the world's pop. I do not want to defend the present copyright laws, they are very unfair for other reasons. But theft is not a solution. |
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Let's try again. "I think giving the power to remove sites from the internet to Hollywood is a good idea because..." |
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2. inferior copy of the original cd 3. individual songs from the cd 4. zero dollar of damage because as you clearly stated she could not /would not have discovered it from any of the paid for mediums. it an insanely unlikely situation, i would suspect your lying or misrepresenting the level of isolation to fabricate an argument but doing so establishes the fair use nature of her actions. |
It is quite simple, a whole generation have stoped paying for music.
Poland is part of the capitalist system and they have both I tunes and shops. BUT the young generation so not buy from them. The same can be said of my son and his friends in there 20s they do not pay for music or films. They don't have the money and they don't have to, they don't. There is a problem how the creative indsutries are going to be funded. |
i've been downloading shit like a motherfucker in case this happens. i think i have enough material for the next 100 years.
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I think you see it the same as home taping, which was a farceical campaign by the music and film industries. We have two financial groups fighting it out, and we can watch and clap, but I don't see myself as part of either. As the Internet by nature is social it would be best if it was free and open to all, but this would mean a revolutionary change in our society. Without that the "freedom" of some is just to steal from others. To have a busines based on suppliing content which you don't pay for. This is the point that you don't answer. It is not just the Corporations that are upset by this but also all the media trade unions who see their members unemployed and wages falling. |
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crowd funding is exploding people are paying for music all the time and it a perfect model to fund creative people artists are getting more money in kickstarter campaigns than they would get from a record companies signing bonus. virtual unknowns are start their career sing covers on youtube, and then getting funding to GIVE THEIR SONGS AWAY FOR FREE. ask for 20k get more than 100k http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ef=most-funded ask for 15k get 77k http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ef=most-funded ask for 11k get 68k http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...s?ref=category seriously look at the last one they sold out of the highest backed option which was 3.5 k for music that was going to be GIVEN AWAY. |
can't be a socialist offline and a capitalist online. hard to take your positions seriously.
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US Digital Music Revenues (2006 - 2011) $1.9 billion (2006), $2.8 billion (2007), $3.7 billion (2008), $4.5 billion (2009), $5.2 billion (2010), $5.7 billion (2011) http://grabstats.com/statcategorymai... &StatCatID=9 Quote:
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"I'll give you my Facebook when you pry it from my cold, dead hands!"
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"Fair use" is protected speech by the courts. I love people who use quotes that out are of context:
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Just because something is already out in the world doesn't mean you can just make a copy of it and let everyone else see it. You are so dense, and you just twist logic to make everything suit your utopic idea which is basically a world where you don't have to pay for anything -- which suits a person with no ability to actually create just fine. --and what the fuck is this "fair use industry" you talk about? Is that how you make your money, by leeching off of those with creativity and talent? |
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i don't have a problem giving copyright holders all the rights you want to have to fight piracy long as you take away take the copyright away from the scum bags who abuse it to stomp all over fair use. your the one trying to defend stealing, by demanding the right to take away the authorized distribution your the one trying to defend an underfunded business model (higher a good lawyer, buy insurance etc) not respecting the law. legitimate copyright holders have nothing to fear from such a restriction reread the quote you used to justify your position against such a counter penalty Quote:
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i object to paying for it twice i bought the right to listen to it, i didn't pay for the medium once i paid for the right to listen to it, it now my right that the fucking point |
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even the act of forcing your content into the public domain doesn't take away your right to sell your shit a fact that is proven absolutely by the open source community. just because someone else can sell your shit doesn't void/invalidate/take way your right to sell it too. no freedom is taken from you by the pirates ever only control. |
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By the way as result of this law it is very likely that search engines can not index any sites any more in fear of having their website taken off the air without any judge involved for copying or linking to anything that may be protected. So are you ready o loose all your search engine traffic? Also most of the paysites i paid for is after watching or downloading a pirated movie or picture of their site. Never joined any website by watching the standard tourpages! |
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Could I run for political office by telling people that those with the money make the rules and win? Probably not. That doesn't change the fact that it is a 100% true statement. Why do you think we had a financial meltdown? Because those with the money changed the laws to benefit them so that they could do basically whatever they wanted at the expense of everyone else and they drove it into the dirt. Bush allowed executives from major oil and power companies to work with Dick Cheney to help shape his energy policy. Lobbyists outnumber elected officials in washington by around 600 to 1. Money runs our system. Hell the supreme court just ruled that companies are people who have freedom of speech protection and can spend infinite amounts supporting or opposing political candidates. It is the dirty secret few people talk about because they like to imagine that we live in a fair society. Every other bill has failed because it has had flaws it as does this one. Things aren't going to change tomorrow or next week or next month, but if piracy continues to grow and profits continue to shrink things will change and it won't be in your favor. If you want to preserve your fair use rights you need to tell your pirate friends to stop stealing shit they have no rights to. |
New tube sites are launching all day long. Keeping them clean is a good idea, so let's see what happens. lol
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Reality Check: If you stole something from Ben Franklin and tried to monetize it for yourself...he would have hung you from the nearest tree. "Freedom" does NOT equal "stealing" No gideongallery...you do NOT have any right to steal shit off the internet although you do it constantly. I told you before, your time is running out. Tick tock, tick tock... |
Foreigners stealing USA's intellectual property is a hot-button issue in Washington, DC right now.
I think I'll send our Congress a letter with embedded links so they can see for themselves all the stealing going on. I may even add a few quotes. Also, I'll mention that the much of the opposition to the legislation seems to be coming from out-of-country....(China, Russia, and CANADA.) I'm sure they will find it interesting. |
don't be a douche and out his real name. i agree with your points but makes you seem like a stalker.
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that why i put both quotes in the list the second one i referenced was as a moral justification for the revolution against the british the former was to quell the desire to surrender to the british. He had to say the former multiple times in multiple different ways because there were a lot of people who wanted to give up he wasn't taking about porn either, so what your point should we outlaw this entire industry. Quote:
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seriously moron what about the word NEW rights do you not understand who said anything about changing all the old ways of taking down piracy every company has the right to keep using all the old rights already established. Quote:
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do you think people would have voted bush in if they knew he was going to do this in advance that exactly why i like things like asking for an amendment that void the copyright of any company that abuses the new permissions ONLY when the new rights are abused rather then trying to fight because they object they undeniable prove that the law is GOING TO BE ABUSED. In advance of the law being passed they say we are going to take away your rights, we are going to do nothing to prevent your rights from getting squashed and the only way you can stop us is to not elect the politicians we have bought with our money. Quote:
agree to give you the innovation killing/fair use killing rights you claim you need to destroy the pirates (and only the pirates) if you put a clause that punishes copyright holders equally for killing innovation /fair use. And then watch you explicitly admit that the law is going to get abused when you complain about how unfair it is to expect you to do due diligence before using the nuclear option. |
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fine give copyright holders all these power just put a clause that punishes abusers of the law equally. as opposing the law. |
btw for those of you who missed it
53 million dollar lobbying to get "clean coal" to be entitled to EPA clean energy tax credits was derailed with $3,500 stunt. |
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here is a little bit of advice. I don't give a shit about you or your fair use rights. I don't. . .really, that is the truth and that is the reality with many content producers. You can blow smoke until you are blue in the face and I still won't give a shit. If you want to effect change and get people off your back here is what you do: instead of coming here where one person agrees with you and you waste your time trying to convince the rest of us you are right spend that time going to the pirating sites and encourage people to stop pirating. Explain to people the importance of paying for their content. The more common pirating gets and the bigger the problem gets the harsher and harsher the copyright laws are going to get. I said it before and I will say it again. Money runs this bitch. Those with gold make the rules and when you start taking their gold from them, they will change the rules to keep that from happening. Here is all you need to know. Obama spent about $800 million to get elected in 2008. Many insiders suggest he will raise close to $1 billion to spend next year. Do you really think money like that doesn't come with favors attached? |
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using the yes men approach to counter that $1 billion dollars i need 20 x $3,500 or $70,000 or 5 kickstarter campaigns just like this one http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...activ?ref=live i don't see a problem look at how poorly you argued against the concept of simply balancing the penalties of this law your entire argument can be boiled down it unfair because the law is absolutely going to be used to destroy innovation and kill fair use. that even if they took the billions of dollars they are currently spending to try and cram this anti piracy law down our throats and put on hiring lawyers to make sure that they don't wrongfully go after real fair use, they still could not stop the problem that consumer groups are complaining about. |
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That's the funniest thing about this. They can bawl and cry as much as they like. They're nothing. They won't get a micro second of time in the real debate. Amusing watching them think their opinions count. |
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and 13,260 innocent companies are going to be destroyed wiping out all the jobs they have created if this bill passes. |
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really impossible to disagree with a statement of fact. |
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divide the number of companies by 10k 1 innocent person per 10,000 (9,999 guilty, 1 innocent) |
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more than 40 billion files were illegally file-shared in 2008, giving a piracy rate of around 95 per cent. Overall 16 per cent of internet users in Europe regularly swapped infringing music on file-sharing services in 2008 according to Jupiter Research. Online piracy is hitting local repertoire. The number of new albums released in France fell by eight per cent in the first half of 2008, new artist releases tumbled by 30 per cent and the French share of newly-released albums fell from 15 to 10 per cent 2005- 08. In Spain, a sole new local artist featured in the Top 50 album chart to November 2008, down from 10 in 2003. In the UK, Jupiter valued the lost to online piracy at £180 million annually, with a cumulative loss of £1.1 billion by 2012 if nothing is done to address the problem. Online infringement is becoming a big issue for the film industry. A total of 13.7 million films were distributed on P2P networks in France in May 2008, compared to 12.2 million cinema tickets sold (Equancy and Co and Tera Consultants). "There is a momentous debate going on about the environment on which our business, and all the people working in it, depends. Governments are beginning to accept that, in the debate over "free content" and engaging ISPs in protecting intellectual property rights, doing nothing is not an option if there is to be a future for commercial digital content." |
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In the good old days 1 would pay a high fee for a nice movie in a cinema wich was a day out. These days a small fee may be acceptable but making billions of dollars for a single movie is just not realistic anymore. Same for PORN the 90s wont come back whatever you are trying LOL |
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