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here is a little bit of advice. I don't give a shit about you or your fair use rights. I don't. . .really, that is the truth and that is the reality with many content producers. You can blow smoke until you are blue in the face and I still won't give a shit. If you want to effect change and get people off your back here is what you do: instead of coming here where one person agrees with you and you waste your time trying to convince the rest of us you are right spend that time going to the pirating sites and encourage people to stop pirating. Explain to people the importance of paying for their content. The more common pirating gets and the bigger the problem gets the harsher and harsher the copyright laws are going to get. I said it before and I will say it again. Money runs this bitch. Those with gold make the rules and when you start taking their gold from them, they will change the rules to keep that from happening. Here is all you need to know. Obama spent about $800 million to get elected in 2008. Many insiders suggest he will raise close to $1 billion to spend next year. Do you really think money like that doesn't come with favors attached? |
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using the yes men approach to counter that $1 billion dollars i need 20 x $3,500 or $70,000 or 5 kickstarter campaigns just like this one http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...activ?ref=live i don't see a problem look at how poorly you argued against the concept of simply balancing the penalties of this law your entire argument can be boiled down it unfair because the law is absolutely going to be used to destroy innovation and kill fair use. that even if they took the billions of dollars they are currently spending to try and cram this anti piracy law down our throats and put on hiring lawyers to make sure that they don't wrongfully go after real fair use, they still could not stop the problem that consumer groups are complaining about. |
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That's the funniest thing about this. They can bawl and cry as much as they like. They're nothing. They won't get a micro second of time in the real debate. Amusing watching them think their opinions count. |
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and 13,260 innocent companies are going to be destroyed wiping out all the jobs they have created if this bill passes. |
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divide the number of companies by 10k 1 innocent person per 10,000 (9,999 guilty, 1 innocent) |
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more than 40 billion files were illegally file-shared in 2008, giving a piracy rate of around 95 per cent. Overall 16 per cent of internet users in Europe regularly swapped infringing music on file-sharing services in 2008 according to Jupiter Research. Online piracy is hitting local repertoire. The number of new albums released in France fell by eight per cent in the first half of 2008, new artist releases tumbled by 30 per cent and the French share of newly-released albums fell from 15 to 10 per cent 2005- 08. In Spain, a sole new local artist featured in the Top 50 album chart to November 2008, down from 10 in 2003. In the UK, Jupiter valued the lost to online piracy at £180 million annually, with a cumulative loss of £1.1 billion by 2012 if nothing is done to address the problem. Online infringement is becoming a big issue for the film industry. A total of 13.7 million films were distributed on P2P networks in France in May 2008, compared to 12.2 million cinema tickets sold (Equancy and Co and Tera Consultants). "There is a momentous debate going on about the environment on which our business, and all the people working in it, depends. Governments are beginning to accept that, in the debate over "free content" and engaging ISPs in protecting intellectual property rights, doing nothing is not an option if there is to be a future for commercial digital content." |
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I buy movies online all the time, new and pre-owned - and if I don't like it - I just sell it and re-coup most of the cost. You can even swap it for another for nothing. There really is no excuse. |
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No way i will ever pay a dime to those bastards who bring out all this globalist crap again. Good keep buying and spending your money and pay for old fashin dvds or are you still using vhs videos......? In 5 minutes i download a nice 80s horror movie and if i dont like it i delete it and download an other one. 90s are over man deal with it. |
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Wow. Cant believe this thread is still going. It's like a bunch of idiots stuck in a round room trying to find a corner in piss in..
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Not sure if you recall this or not Cherry, but here's a post of mine (dated 4/16) from that long thread centered around that issue that had lots of back and forth between you and AmeliaG. Not posting the link but I'm sure you know how to find it. Thanks for the thread. I don't know why I keep forgetting to add more Cinema Erotique content to my sites seeing as how well it converts. Rather than sitting around bitching and trying to figure out where the industry has gone wrong, playing the blame game and what not, Cherry went out and applied an emerging technology to an industry that is in need of something new and is still getting way too much credit as an innovator because it embraced the VCR nearly 30 years ago. Nice work, Cherry. Amelia - You also have hot content and seem pretty cool. It's a shame you guys can't get along. As far as the actively misrepresenting oneself as a female thing goes, I don't know or care if it's true and it's not my business. Plenty of people misrepresent themselves as being intelligent, cool, or wealthy, so what's the fucking difference? I personally knew that Cherry was a guy soon after learning about CE and doing a little research (not on whois) simply because I appreciated the quality of his work and was personally curious. However, I do recall seeing something about him being a female on a semi-mainstream site that has given me a few shout-outs. That does kind of bother me. Especially if the writer was misled in any way. The website is www.t---n------.com. Cherry, that would be great if you could email her and correct the mistake. Thanks. Well, turns out that she had something along the lines of 'hot erotica by a female director' right underneath a Cinema Erotique banner. I didn't want to have to say anything, but I couldn't just sit there knowing that a piece of inaccurate information as such was on her site, so after hoping that I'd forget about it and giving you nearly 3 months to remedy the situation, I ended up telling her in July. Unless I missed it, it looks like she didn't end up publishing an interview with you, which is good b/c I really do think you do great work and wouldn't want to see you get any negative publicity. I can also see why you went for that target market and especially that site given her 'opinion leader' status and whatnot. Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that while I am sorry if my 'outing' of the fact you're a guy caused you any bad publicity or a drop in sales, I gave you plenty of time to fix the situation and I really had no choice b/c I don't like it when people lie to my friends. That's it. |
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You talk a lot of twaddle. Go stand outside the offices of Microsoft and try to convince the people who work there they should lose their jobs. One person doesn't make billions of dollars for one movie. 1,000s of people make money from that one movie. Go peddle your shit to them. Amazing someone running a business is anti people making money from that business. Frank will now be selling his prime domains for $5 a year and will be stopping any affiliate earning a decent amount. Because it's wrong to make lots of money from your work. That are he's a hypocrite who has one rule to justify his stealing and breaks it to make a living. And Frank that's where your entire theory falls to the ground. You don't observe your own rules that you think others should. What will you do if I log into your sites, set up similar sites myself and sell the memberships. Because you are making too much money from them? |
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Go on Paul, or anyone, try and finish this sentence: "I think giving the MPAA and RIAA the ability to remove websites they don't like without due process is good because..." The bill won't get passed. Wanna make a bet on it? And it is PRECISELY because of people protesting it. Bless you. |
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I'm not asking in a negative way, I ask because I wonder if you are part of a younger generation who has grown up online and believe most things should be free. Most everyone I know who is a little older, still have no problems paying the asking price for any type of entertainment. Myself, I still buy DVDs, as that is the norm where I live. I can pick up a DVD anywhere from $3 - $10, based on how old/new it is. I think that is a very fair price. |
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Maybe if they got rid of piracy they would make even more, employ more people, pay them better, build more offices in the US, employ more marketing people who have a clue. :1orglaugh No they make enough money, so a few parasites sucking off them is fine. :upsidedow People tapping away on a keyboard at home to earn a few bucks have no concept of real business. We in our small way did. Even with as few as 8 people working for s and offices, studio, models, equipment, etc to be paid for we realised that revenue was immediately spent again. We invested money long before we saw a return on it. We had to pay all the expenses of production long before the money started to flow back in. Often it would be 6 months before we covered costs, sometimes longer. Sitting in your living room spending little and banking what ever you earn is great. Yet gives you a warped view of business. Today I'm in the boat of those sitting at home and what comes in goes into the bank. Still remember what real business is about tough. DWB posted your twaddle and it has to be shown that your grasp on reality of business is from your living room. In your rented flat. |
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Here's one for you "I think doing nothing about piracy is a good idea because..." Every single adult affiliate on this board has lost money due to piracy, and some have gone out of business because of it. If the free for all continues, a hell of a lot more people will go out of business thanks to it. |
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I am one person who posts here. Cinema Erotique is NOT one person. Or sort of films cannot be made by one person. We all work in other mainstream jobs and did not want to use our real names. The majority of people working on Cinema Erotique are woman but ist changes. We decided that Cinema Erotique would be run by Cherry Chapman. A fictional person. A lot of affiliates write what they think on their sites WITHOUT ever asking us. We assume if it is important to them they would ask. On a board where most people do NOT use there real names this is a problem ????? I know 2 people for real on this board, the rest i don't know shit, sex, age, country, race... So either we should all use our real names or we should respect peoples personal choices. I am surprised ad Damian for raising this again, as he is a talented Magician and his association with porn could also cause him problems. If for example he was doing children's shows and someone Goggles his name. That is why we respect models and never use their real names. |
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when you add those numbers in new artist are actually growing so basically the scum bag record companies who take 90% force the artist to pay the entire produce cost out of their 10% are losing record sales the fans are getting their music for free the uber fans pay big money to get the new album released and the artist get bigger signing bonus then what they would get from the scum bag record companies. |
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or both represent enough of a difference that any sales they generate would not be infringing a fan who prefers the clean acapella version would buy the over produced chris brown version anyway i know that true because i am exactly that type of fan at it core this is a first amendment issue allow the original song writer to prevent covers is censoring the commentary "check out my unique version of chris browns forever" |
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I do not defend the record companies or Hollywood movie studios BUT the structures which they control are the ones that produce great films and music.
The Socialist and government financed Film studios also produced high quality high investment films and culture. Using similar structure of employing lots of highly skilled people. I want to see those structures continue to be financed, under different control, or in a different way. But I think they have to continue. This is what the studio system produced with primitive 4 track recording. I am interested has an artist in their bedroom with the much more advanced recording software produced something of equal merit ? Please post. |
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the fact is every pornstar should be looking at the independent muscians and say holy shit i am just like them., i can do that too the paysites making mad cash from porn scene they paid me a chinsy $1000 for is just like the screw job the record companies do to those artists. if i copied the process of the independent artist i could easily double or triple my take home pay. hell since i know this shit cold because i have done it for such muscians any pornstar who wants to do it as a test hit me up. |
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97.65% of artist never sell enough collect royalties from sales because the record company has to be paid back. so you get 104,788 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ef=most-funded for something that the record companies offer you 20k for even if you have 100% piracy rate from that point on your going to make way more money then you would with a record deal. and let be clear that never happens because there will always be fans who will support the artist i bought sonos mp3 even though i could get it for free because i want to support creative versions of old songs. |
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When would an artist make more. If his album would be available for free on the filesharing networks or if it wouldn't be available for free? |
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This levels of finance are for amateur productions. Could you make a film like "The Godfather" ? or "Fight Club" ? And why should the rich Joe Public decide what gets made? What the Fuck do these people know about what should be funded? Why does the sexy girl get funded and not this? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...y=1&ref=search |
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As an affiliate, I generate revenue by stealing someone's entire work, and sell someone else's work, is that right? Spell out in plain English how piracy is a good thing, and in fact generates more income? Because all I've seen so far is some numbers saying the music indusrty's income has risen year on year, which when you factor in the growth in the population, and the growth in the amount of musicians, isn't because of piracy, it's in spite of it. What would those numbers be without piracy, higher or lower? You have your head stuck up your arse if you think less piracy would mean those numbers would be lower, so yes, piracy HAS affected music industry profits. --- Microsoft don't see an increase in profits because of piracy, they see an increase in spite of it. How the fuck is 'microsoft seem to be doing ok' any kind of an argument for leaving piracy be? |
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The answer is: it all depends. Take for example Gideon's kickstart artist. They get $120K from people to put out their album. Meanwhile another artist signs with a major label and gets a $20K advance. The major label artist will have to pay all the money back that is spent on promoting them/their album before they will ever see any royalties so most artists never see traditional royalties from record sales (at least those with big marketing campaigns). So Kickstart Artists spends $20K of that $120K recording their album,then they give it away for free. They get some nice downloads and start to develop a fan base. They then get to pocket the other $100k plus whatever they are making at their live shows which likely won't be much. Major Label Artists ends up having $2million dollars worth of production and promotion put behind their album. They sell 2 million copies of that album, but still don't make enough to pay back the studio. However, they score a top 10 hit single so they are making some great money off of performance royalties from radio stations. They might license the music (if they own the publishing) and make more. Where they will score big is touring. A record that sells like that will have them playing a summer festival circuit followed by a ton of holiday large scale shows where they play radio station concerts, music festivals etc. By the spring they will have likely opened for a larger act and are now headlining their own tour and playing in front of 1,000 -2,000 people every night. If that is the case then the major label artists wins by a mile. The kickstart person made $100K and played for 30 people each night for beer money while the major label artist made millions on the road, but it still in debt to the record company because their record royalties don't cover costs. All that said, if the major label artist has their album come out and it crashes, burns and fails big, then the kickstart person made more because likely the major label artist will only ever see the $20K advance and little or nothing more. |
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But i find it ridiculous that if i listen to a tv or music and my webcm is online for a few people i have to pay thousends of dollars. Last year i got a bill of this insane control freaks to pay money everyday to them because i am a truckdriver and they assumed i would listen to the radio. Therefore i am broadcasting their crap on a workplace and have to pay tens of dollars daily. To me thats insanity and no i do not feel guily if i do not pay for somehign that has been paid for long ago. All i consume is a copy of a digital media, i do not want the DVD especialy not if i am not even allowed to watch it with someone else or be jailed or loose my internet "privilage" because i watch it while my cam is online. Sure i am willing to pay for the bandwith and throw in an other 50 cents for every movie that came out the past 12 months. But if your media has been broadcast or sold to millions of people i do not feel that they own that content anymore thats just my 2 cent tho. And the Microsoft example is a good one indeed if they sell their monopolic products for half the price they still make a record profit! They are the ones sc4rewing me over and over again dont try to make me feel guilty because they are 10 times worse as me. If my vids have been sold millions of times i do not have a problem finding them on tubes i can asure you that. And the models wich are featured in my films have been paid while ago man. It is not like the hundreds of people in movies still get money decades after they made a movie, they made their wages and had a good time. |
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The global economy and internet is a huge chance for them but of they are still so delosional that they want to charge super-economic prices for theyr unoriginal movies then they are just inciting work arounds. If they charge a lot less and asure you they are not creating a life-time database of all movies you have been watching sure then people will pay for it. But movies and especialy porn is not as special as a decade anymore, my phone can make better movies and pictures as you 25 000 dollar professional camera a decade ago. 70% of the internet users have a nude picture online while a decade ago it was still realy special. Almost everyone can make a website or a blog these days unline a decade ago. Making movies is nothing special anymore either. 10 years ago this was all special and worth paying for but the times have changed and thinking those glory days will come back is insane. |
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