Just what I expected :glugglug

Movies, music, art, and video games with murder, rape, incest, theft, drug use, and other fantasies are also evil, right? Come on!

Sites that are illegal should be reported and taken off the net, and the developers/producers should be charged, period. Ranting and fingerpointing and firing insults at one-another on a message board probably isn't the way to go though.

And it is rather simplistic to say certain sites are "illegal" because they may be illegal in some states and countries, but perfectly legal in others.

People are going to have their fantasies whether we *feed them* or not. There are all sorts of depictions of forced sex, rape, and murder in movies and on TV. Sure we know they are "only acted-out scenes" with paid actors, so that makes it okay, right? Wrong. If it's okay for TV and movies, then it's okay for websites. Censorshjp is really an "all or nothing" kind of game... it isn't selective.

i passionately disagree with your statement.

WHOA there pal. The FANTASY itself is ILLEGAL??? I dunno what third world dictatorship you call home, but a fantasy is NOT illegal. I can sit here and think about how many people on this board I'd like to string up by their toes and gutshoot, then watch them bleed a horrible and slow death.

That doesn't mean the cops are coming to my door now does it?

Fantasy and action are two entirely separate things -- girls that are not underage but wearing clothes are just as legitimate as girls that are not underage but aren't wearing clothes. I've seen chicks in Maxim etc that aren't very old, girls in perfume ads etc that definitely weren't even 18, and weren't wearing clothes, or the ones they were wearing made me blush.

I am NOT defending underage nude sites, I don't personally care for them but you know what? I'm not the internet police and neither are you.

The line that is drawn is called the LAW. Once you fail to recognize the law as the line then you have opened the door for every possible sexual practice that someone finds disturbing or shameful to be whisked away as well -- and trust me that would include gay sex, anal sex, oral sex, hell sex between 2 people that weren't married in some instances.

Dude, what are you wathcing or listening to...???:eek7

Yes, you can see a rape on tv, describe on the news, or talk about in a song... If people want to fantasize there... be my guest... but you wont have much to fantasize about... and the goal was not to feed the fantasy but to describe something...

On the other end, if you make a movie or writting a song promoting rape... you are feeding a dangerous fantasy... and if you cannot see that... you are high or stupid...

Hey hey easy there....
You have have misunderstood..!?

look, you have the fantasy of Rape..... I then said , that fantazy,, which is Rape is illigal....

Never said that thinking about it was illegal!


edit: or the fantasy of an illegal act...

Tell that the mystery authors..:Graucho

Illegal to have fantasies? That will be the day when the world will have gone to the shits! Dont you find it wrong that other people will have the power to tell you what you can or cannot fantasize about? We might as well live in North Korea!

"Promoting rape"???

No, the thing most law enforcement agencies have a problem with is when people "counsel" others to commit rape (or hate crimes, or whatever). Counselling is the key word here. On a website that offers video content depicting actors acting out forced sex scenes there is no counselling going on, it's merely there for the viewing pleasure of paying adults. Period. The end.

Again you are confusing things. I hope I've helped to clear them up some for you.

I fantazise about someone that can sale me short IQ numbers

Ted Bundy collected hardcore porn and he was a serial killer!

John Hinckley was obsessed with the hero from the movie Taxi Driver and he tried to assassinate the President!

Therefore all people who watch violence and porn will do bad things. :Buck:

Well, I guess this Easton guy is right and everybody love him, or at least that board admins, because now the site shows xxxxxxxxx instead of 2000 (which, btw, is not a bad number at all)

No sorry, Im not confusing anything here... However, Im not sure If I understood your last post....

Feeding a sick mind of illigal fantasies ( or fantasies of illegal act) is dangerous... Ask any experts dealing with pedophiles...

And yes, if I make a movie about the rape fantasy, I promote the fantasy... And the more you fantasize about something.. the more are the chances of you comitting that fantasy...

I hear that same argument daily from anti-porn advocates...

But we're not talking about pedophiles here, are we?

And no expert in pedophilia will say unoquivically that if I look at CP for any length of time that I *will* go out and commit acts of pedophilia. If they do they are overstepping themselves. I simply don't agree with you or anyone that parrots this nonsense. Like others here have said, I can fantasize all day about anything nasty or whatever, I can view the most horrific movies showing scenes of gore, horror, disgusting impure sex acts and murder in existance, but at the end of the day I'm not about to go make it a reality.

The problem is with people who don't seem to be able to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality. It is usually they who have a problem with tolerating anything other than what they deem as "appropriate" viewing, and it is they who are always squawking to promote censorship of this site or that book or that movie, whatever. Your statement of "And the more you fantasize about something.. the more are the chances of you comitting that fantasy" is exactly what people say when they're trying to blame some tragedy on a movie or song or something other than where the blame belongs. People love to blame anything but themselves. Look at the Columbine murders.... people tried to blame songs and tv violence etc... yet the rest of us are watching that same violence and aren't shooting up schools. Why?


It's a big topic. Think about it some more.

so...? and whats their point? I think porn is still legal... as for fantisizing about 3somes(out of marriage sex)... etc... well tough luck... its not illegal...

if people are really afraid of being "corrupt" by the 3some fantasy... they can put out rules about porn before getting toghether....

Pedophilia.... yes, I was talking about CP and rape...
And I think youre twisting things a little...
First, you need to have the fantasy... if you dont have it... looking for hours at CP wont do much....
And if you have it... yes, looking at CP will feed the fantasy...
That doesnt mean you'll go and rape a child... That depends of your consience, self-control, etc....




AS for those arguments.... please
Give to a suicidal guy a movie that glamorize suicide... he'll might not kill himself... but the chances grow...

Give to a teen that want to be cool a cd where they glamorize smoking pot... he might not start smoking it... but the chances grow...

and I could go on and on and on....

It's a big topic. Think about it some more. :thumbsup

So where do you draw the line?

Not illegal of course.

How about dasies , pink and bablue? Thumbsucking and so on?

The impression i get from Kiko and some other boards is that as long as they are seasoned pornstars with silicone tits, looking like aliens . They can be degraded and depicted in any which why but if they are next door neighbour girls scrambling for some college money thats near pedophilia. Possibly even someones daughter...

They are not underage non nude sites !

Just for the record, We only lend Sweet Dominique technical support and help with some of her pictures. She takes care of most of the site herself and she has done a successful job with out even having to take off her clothes. Non Nude does not mean pedophile, It is just another niche and doesn't get the respect it deserves. !

Intelligent.. but very bitter

Thanks for the cool new word. I just went and registered thugette.com. :1orglaugh

Jak

yes, I can direct you to some very nice pics of her, both at webmasterboards.net and XBiz . . . . she is quite hot, matches her feistiness

Once again, I can sit around here and think all day about how I'd like to see some slow and painful deaths to board members. I mean really slow and really painful and to quite specific members.

Does that mean I am going to buy rope, kerosene, napalm, 3 in one oil, honey or a case of ball gags?

Or does that mean I will be more likely to the longer I think about it?

Get real.

72% of male inmates have participated either willingly or unwillingly in homosexual intercourse.


Warden

Yeah you guys are right, no one joins sweet Domonique because they think she's underage. Her market isn't pedophiles at all. Right.

That is So Rude...
:ak47: :BangBang:

i knew some biggot redneck was gonna bring up Kiko being Asian.
Fuggin Racist :ak47: :BangBang:

this has nothign to do with easton- it was a request from the owners of the site..

Easton doesnt exclusively own the program so its not his place to go throwign numbers out into the public and he realised that later and approached us at the companies request to fix it


if he was favoured - dont you thnk we'd have gone and chnaged the whoel thing ?
or if he was favoured we'd have deleted the whoel thread as he requested

I have spoken to Easton on ICQ about this as hs Firehorse
we have decided that the thread will remain despite his wanting its removal

if any of you guys had a program - im sure you wouldnt want someone throwing your figures about in the open

so no sides wree taken as to Kiko Vs easton - we just did what is right in regards to a third party who was personally not involved in the argument

... if the site owners had wanted to giev their stats and join the battle - im sure they would have doen so .. but they didnt

Worst fucking comment ever. I dont hate many things, but I do hate racists with a passion.

Kiko *does* come off as a bitch, because most people cant take a girl with some spunk and self respect.. a little too assertive and you are a bitch. Poor girl.

On the topic of this thread.... while I dont personally like hfgb or fishhooking, I dont think the sites should be taken offline nor do I think they are bottom feeders. The sad thing is, I think; is that most men do like to see shit like that. So, if the site appeals to most guys, I can't see how it is bottom feeding.

The sweetdominique or whatever site DOES bother me personally... when I first saw it, first thing I thought was "here is a cute 15 yr old girl flirting with old men, disgusting"... but I have heard of easton and co and what I have heard tells me they run a really legit operation... so I figured the girl had to be legal. And no, I don't think it should be taken off the net either... it is legal and thus has a honest right to operate. Who am I to dispute that?

You know I love it when you talk all sweet n' stuff:thumbsup

Just asking, if gutterboy said ?female? rather than ?Asian? inferiority complex strikes again? How many of you guys & gals would be offended or make some more snide remarks about women in this business?

IMO, after scanning the posts here and on the other board, this thread?s name says it right. Forget about color of skin or ethnic background, the adult model got flamed for posting like she does on most forums. I don?t know her in person or on the internet (just what I read), but she is comes across as a women who uses her cultural for her own gain.

She butted into a conversation that had nothing to do with ?how low to you go to sell sex,? but trashes a porn business in public that is competition. Kind of reminds me on another forum where she trashed a designer for less than $35.00. On another forum, where she trashed an white male for exploiting Asian girls. And on another forum, she tells a new webmistress to F-off.

Enough said. Ignore my post or flame me but don?t preach about not being racist. (Just look how some of you post an ugly girl or a pretty girl and talk about it.)

Bottom line, morals don?t count in religion or in the porn industry.

JMO

No need to lose your temper. What are you, Italian or something?

Well, surefire...

Firstof all, gutterboy DIDNT say woman instead of asian. Either would have bothered me, but fuck, wuteva.

Second, how in the world is herfirstgangbang.com competing against chinatowngirls.com???

Kiko didnt bash a competitor, she bashed a guy who she didnt like and a site that she had a problem with.

Flame the girl all you want - I dont care, she aint my girl. Besides, she seems to be able to handle her own. But defending gutterboys' racist statement? come on. is your head up your ass?

So does my girlfriend... shh, we don't have to tell her about us. :Graucho

Doesn't having <a href="http://www.wefuckinpublic.com/new/pages/24.html" target="_blank">Dominique</a> and <a href="http://www.wefuckinpublic.com/new/pages/10.html" target="_blank">Sabrina</a> on your tour for 'wefuckinpublic.com' kind of undermine the non-nude aspect of their respective sites?

I am not defending gutterboy, I was just asking a question. I know that girl can hold her own. I was just wondering why people got offended.

Please forgive me but, in the sex industry isn't every other promoter competition? I believe you said that how could herfirstgangbang.com competing against chinatowngirls.com. herfirstgangbang.com preview shows a world map.

I am not flaming her, just saying that she is bordering the limits of promoting herself on webmasters' forums and sometimes gets herself in trouble.

Ok I cant hold it in any longer ..... I've just gotta ask :


What is with the Fishooking thing anyway?

Whats it spose to be or mean? - I havent really looked at the sites a lot

but I just dont get it?

...and its not just me - everyone else I aksed said they didnt know what it's all about either (they just liek pretend they know what its about to save face lol)

so now I am curious as hell

can you guys explain it to me?

Thnx

Fishhooking looks to me like a girl is held in place from behind and her mouth forced open in order for some guy to jizz in her mouth, seemingly against her will. (thus the fish-hooking is needed).

It strikes me that it's a lot like those vids you see where:
girl gives guy head
guy grabs girl by the back of her head
guy forces girl to swallow his cock
guy slams girl's head onto his cock repeatedly, choking and gagging her
girl's eyes tear up, tears stream down her face
guy comes in her throat as girl gags and chokes


Fish-hooking would be in the same genre slot as that I would think. It's forced sex, acted out by paid actors, but it's real enough.


And I don't agree that "most guys like it" or "like to view it".... I'd hate to think that that sort of degredation was anything that the majority would be interested in.




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But I'm still not in favor of calling in the censor police on it. As long as those girls stand up, smile and walk away happy after the shoots, who are we to judge it unfit for viewing??

Thanks CD - yes I thought that may have been what it is spose to be

i couldnt think of anythign it else it could be - but you never know these days some ppl have some weird fetishes :1orglaugh

yes its real - and you are right -its "acted "

if a girl REALLY didnt want to have a cock thrust down her throat she could just do what I would do :

BITE THAT FUCKER OFF !! :1orglaugh