I'll have to agree with that.

Those points were very well put. :thumbsup

No, what she said is NOT true. Not across the board anyway. I know a fair number of people in this business and they don't degrade the models, nor do they have issues with the women in this business either saying what's on their mind or sticking up for themselves if need be -- as a matter of fact, most of the GUYS I know in this business are fairly chivalrous and don't like to hear junk talk about the chicks any more than I would.

Maybe she hangs around with a different type of person than I do, who knows.

I've known Dugmor for years and I don't particularly recall him saying anything derogatory about women in front of me. Just the opposite actually.

Damn mof, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

can we get an AMEN

I think KimmyKim knows me well enough, I would never say anything derogatory about woman. I think people take what is said on these boards too serious. My online personality is not the same as my professional business personality.

I run a program that is as soft as they come ( non nude ) and hardcore. I can pretty much market both with great success. I build content that is 100 % legal and would not think of doing something that would ruin this industry that so many of us took the time to build and self regulate.

BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY:
At first glance, the term "KikoWu" does not seem to be a registered trademark.
You could register this as a trademark, and force Kiko_Wu to give up her domain... then you could forward her traffic to a bukakke sponsor.

:1orglaugh :2 cents:

Excellent post.

My name is Vid Vicious and i'm a fish hook addict

I'll be the first to back up Dugmor. I've known dug for years as a matter of fact he was the one that pulled me form mainstream porn to web. that said I can vouch for him. (having worked side by side with him) He's a stand up guy. besides nobody in this biz should say anything about some else?s bossiness model. what he does works for him, it might not be your bag of tricks but we can't all be rich porn people.

One thing I will state about this whole kiko mess ...

Kiko you had the Balls (no pun intended) to stand up and speak your mind .. you just chose the wrong subject! I commend you for sticking to your guns even though you know you are in the wrong.
how would you of liked it if someone came on the boards an insulted you right after you complemented them? Or better yet if they started to talk shit about your program .. you call that Fluff on your site, porn?

If it wasn't for people like the Sweets we'd still be pedaling boudoir pictures

Nope.

I've never found it anything but goofy.

Question:

Who the fuck cares??

like I said before, the little heifer is a hypocrite

I'm not going back over 8 pages of posts but what I remember her saying is that alot of the shit talking about girls goes by on these boards with nobody saying a word. I have only been on GFY a month and I have seen a shitload of it. I have no desire to go to any convention, etc because I really don't want to meet the assholes that do that. Yes, there are many great people here who don't agree with it but I was agreeing with her point that not many say a word about it. And whether or not Dugmor said anything derogatory about women in front of you doesn't take away the fact that he just did on the other board. Something about buying bitches like you every day. Yea, that's alot of respect for his models.

That could very well be true. However, you wouldn't think so from some of your comments on the other board. :2 cents:

btw, i was the one arguing with Kiko, not Dugmor...

also, i only give respect when i get it in return... she doesn't like our sites? fine by me... let's all move on and make some bling-bling.

Yea my bad on the typo. And already after the bling-bling here. :thumbsup

I would like to make a point that no-one has yet raised.

Kiko is accusing all these other people of degrading women and the like...
but has anyone looked at the site in her signature?

Now Don't get me wrong - I love the Sex Waldo idea and I think it would be a great success with surfers; but is it not true that some people would percieve such a device that to quote:


is capable of the highest force and speed of any commercially available sex machine while at the same time being accurate to .005 of an inch. It can thrust at any depth between .005 and 8 inches, any speed up to 400 thrusts per minute and any motion curve. All of these variables are adjustable by the remote user from their browser while the machine is in motion. ...

as somewhat degrading ?


Please tell me - how many women do you think would really enjoy to be shafted 8 inched deep 400 times in one minute?

Is it just me - or does this not sound quite painful?

Add to that the fact that it is controlled by an unknown person somewhere in cyberspace- and it all sounds a bit scary.

I just hope that for the sake of her "talent", she has installed an Emegency Stop Button :helpme (and a LOT of KY)

Hab SoSlI' Quch!

:mad:

See, the thing you gotta understand about Kiko is unless you are doing the same thing she is doing you are wrong, scum and breaking the law -- according to her.

If you do not kiss her ass you are not worth her time.

She must love living on her pedestal and looking thru her rose colored glasses upon the world of porn.

And watch out if you promote something she does not agree with, she will treat you like your name is Easton!

I do like the fact she is sticking to her guns, its good to see her stand up for what she believes in, just too bad she is pissing on everybody that is not in her boat.

oh buga buga

Kiko vs Talent comparison:

Talent -
1. A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment.

2. Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.
A person or group of people having such ability: The company makes good use of its talent.

3. A variable unit of weight and money used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East.

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COMPARISON:
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Kiko -
1. Anyone can get naked and screw a machine, or another person. Just as they can all do it in front of a camera. No special skills required, and it takes no artistic talent to sit/stand/fuck in front of a camera.

2. I see nothing "superior" or naturally endowed about her, her website or her company.

3. She may qualify as a variable unit of weight, however as depicted by the definition, to be considered under the term "talent", she must also be "money used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East.".

So, after this detailed review, comparing Kiko to the term "Talent", I don't see that the two are related in any way.
:glugglug

I am SO glad I am not the ONLY one who noticed that!

Too bad you are in Asia..Grand Slam is in Pasadena in March!

:thumbsup

Kiko_Wu is on a an invisible high HORSE. Sooner or later, she will realize that there is no horse, and she will fall.
:2 cents:

Kayla... You are one bad ass babe. You have hit it on the head.

The "models" who do adult shoots are all over 18, and can make adult decisions. Just as Kiko makes adult decisions to sell her digital ass.

Someone said earlier in this thread that a cocaine dealer looks down on the heroine dealer down the street. This is the same situation here.

Kiko is a pornographer, plain and simple. She is not an artist, or a programmer, and she is definitely not personable. She is no better than a pornographer pushing staged anal rape sessions on a faux 15 y/o girl.

End of story.

very well said... :thumbsup

Thank you babycakes!

I have my moments! ;)

Check your email, Easton!
:)

That must have been the fine print on the signs in the 60's!

thanks for the e-mail Kayla...

it only occurred to me now that i saw you at the GFY party the 1st nite, but i didn't recognize you... so sorry, my bad... i did manage to snap a few topless pics of you tho... smokin!

:thumbsup

HAHAHAHA! Coolios! See you in Florida?...Not that I have not see a LOT of you in your Kung Fu pic...
:winkwink:

i look forward to it... can't wait for FLA baybee! :thumbsup

The only sensible thing that's been said in the thread since I made that post. I like the premise, buffer as opposed to soft underbelly but I don't see the historical precedent? If they did serve as a buffer (ie. the conservatives said "we just want to go after that nasty Max hardcore guy- the rest of the porn niche is fine by us) it would be an interesting first. I think it's incredibly unlikely but at least it's well thought out.

I think my point will be proven in time. Then when you're all crying about it I can reference this thread. Easy enough to wait and see if I'm right.

All the assorted, "me too, I want a few shots at Kiko too" posts can be ignored. At this point most are just making up things I didn't even say. Nothing new...

Oddly enough yes, higher then her paysite at least. I don't run a freesite so I can't say there. But most of the top girls get their titles from their google traffic rank so I'll go with that:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=lildictator.com http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=terapatrick.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details?url=KikoWu.com
(Check out the oh so accurate review, I'm thinking of posting "Kiko is the embodiment of all that is evil" just to cement my reputation:-)

I'm neck and neck with Sung Hi Lee, if I can pass her paysite I'll be the most popular Asian model online. And those girls totally blow me away (must be my pleasant disposition helping me out:-)

I've been the top Asian porn model paysite for a few years now. As far as I know still am (although it's possible I've been unseated and just missed it) Long since got myself blacklisted from AVN Online etc. so you'll never see my name in there but I'm pretty happy with what I've done. I've been speaking my mind this way for years now and there are plenty of people still happy to do business with me and they seem to profit from it. So I don't really see any reason to show much restraint when it comes to speaking my mind.

I've done it. It's not exactly painful but I wouldn't call it fun. Fortunately none of the women using it will ever experience those speeds unless they really want to. After having seen the other machines on the market. safety is where I put the most work into the SexWaldo. It's controlled from a Linux based console. Before each session the model sets the maximum depth and speed in the application. The guys at the other end can go nuts with the controls but it still won't go over those limits. There is also a feedback loop so that in the event that the dildo "hits bottom" it will stop and retract long before any discomfort. You can set the max thrust poundage on the Linux box. That way it has enough force for penetration but not enough to cause discomfort if it should go too deep. There is also software to prevent very sudden changes in speed or direction that might cause discomfort. Almost done with the new Java video for it to replace the QuickTime. Going to use the same new streaming software for the VoyerBot.com It should give amateurs a unique new income stream for those that want one. Although I might just keep an exclusive on it...

I'll let you all get back to your tongue clucking over the model who reversed the natural order of things by going off on a webmaster instead of the other way around. Glad I was able to keep you all entertained:-)

WOW! I'm speechless! BTW... You spelled "controversy" wrong. FYI.
:eek2 :eek7

Hey! You deleted your post!

"I love to be fish hooked while I get bucket loads of bukakke shot at my face. "

Im glad you are comming around

ROTF... KnightMare

be sure to check out www.herfirstbukkake.com :thumbsup

Is that your site?

it is in the works and will be ready soon, so for now it redirects to HFGB...

Is HFGB yours?

I NEVER said that and you will NEVER hear me say something like that ! I think you are mistaken !

Ah did NOT have sex'al relations with that woman!

/me adores Dugmor...he knew NOTHING about me or who I was and yet, altho I was NAKED when I met him, was a perfect gentleman! ASKED before he licked my tit and EVERYTHING! I think Easton and Dugmor are just irritating to Kiko because they do not hide what they do, nor do they sugar-coat it to help them sleep better at night. That said, my man needs some of MY sugar coating so HE can sleep better tonight!


:Graucho

Lucky man you have there Kayla...only sugar im getting tonight is curtosy of my right hand!

Thank you so much and it was nice meeting you also Kayla. Anyone that has ever met me in person knows I am a gentleman and repectful to woman.

I think Kiku is the one that should be banned for using the words "preteen"on her site trying to get pedofiles to her site !

I read her bio on her site ( I have a lot of free time )

She writes in her bio
"I was born in Xinghui in the province of Guangdong (Canton), PRC(Mainland China). I spent most of my childhood in Hong Kong before moving as a preteen to New York-where I still live."

I think she is using the word "pre teen" to attract pedofiles and you should be reported ! It is people like her that ruin the industry for respected webmasters

And Kayla you've been Fish hooked
http://www.paysitehosting.com/one/pages/1vegas47.html

Did he leave any Bite marks? http://www.paysitehosting.com/one/pages/1vegas48.html

Kiko ,
don't even try comparing your dirty pussy to a hottie like sung hi lee who has class and style .....

She'll always be way better than you in every aspect of the industry. Until you get into Playboy shut up

You are an insecure female ! You know you are and probably as you were growing up you were nasty as hell and harassed by every guy in your school for being hidious girl so this business you do makes you feel better about yourself.
You totally lack self confidence.Thats why you keep getting your ripped up tits upgraded every so often.

Its so obvious why you keep posting back and fourth to this forum and pj's not cause you actually care about what the fuck you or others are saying . C'mon your not stupid the moment you pulled that shit initially with Easton you knew all hell was going to break loose. You keep saying shit to piss people off and get people to stretch the threads for MORE publicity so more people will recognize you, and possibly join your cheap looking sponsor program.... BUSTED!!!!!

On the other hand, your little scandalist shit probably works good/bad publicity you got alot of attention within last few days. There you HAPPY ASIAN PRINCESS ????

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

might as well post in this fucker since it keeps coming back on top.

thanks for the video, kiko

299.

Let's dedicate #300 to all our fallen brothers and sisters from 70's porn movies!

Harry Reams, Linda Lovelace, John Holmes, and all the rest - do it for them!