Always made me laugh, too. :)

Just like the fucking machine, or whatever it is, in Kiko's sig.

Not by your short little legs.

The only crying you do on this topic is when things don't go your way and you've managed to alienate a good number of people that thought you had valid points. Not because of anything you said to me, but because of your dumbass comments regarding women in this business and their actions and thoughts.

Perhaps YOU should sit down and evaluate YOUR attitude. YOU seem to be the one with a chip on your shoulder, not the rest of the girls.

HI! OMG! Are you the Kiko Wu, in NYC?
Do you remember me? We did that shoot a few years back, remember? It was the one with the 25 men gangbang and the horse! OMG! I can't believe it! I haven't seen you since then! Have you gotten treatment for your herpes yet? I have, and it has cleared up alot.

WOW! I'm so glad to see you!

KIT!
SWAK!

-Kiko_fu

then what is this?

http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/videopla...bs/&adPN=index

johnny knoxville's been fishhookin' hoes fo years... you are not the first.

And this boys and girls, is why it's called GREY matter ;)


:thumbsup Kayla

And what were here dumbass comments regarding women in this business? I've been following this and the thread on the other board for a couple of days. What she said is true. But somehow I think you know that.

Higher traffic than Asia Carrera's site?

No problem Dug.

I know full-well that there are a lot of women out there willing to do or portray just about any sort of character, from pretending to be underage to playing a rape or murder victim. The fish-hooking, and also the vids of the guy jamming his rocket down a girl's throat and choking her (whatever that niche is called), can definitely appear to average joe citizen as borderline forced sex (aka: near-rape) though. That was my original point. It's not always about what you and I as webmasters know of it or the willingness of the women involved. Some part of it has to be about what the public thinks of it. There are of course a lot of guys out there that like to watch it, but there are also a lot of other people who are judging us and our industry by it.

I'm not saying it should be illegal or anything, or that it should be removed from the net, not by a long shot. However, maybe there is room on such sites for a bit of extra language in the disclaimer about those actors being willing participants, not forced in any way? I don't know.

I guess I'm a firm believer that there is a solution to most arguments. :winkwink:

Anyway, good to make your aquaintance.

One of the best all-time posts ever.

Kiko, you should "embrace" the Sweets and the Max Hardcores. They are the frontline buffer for most of the legal assaults we will face as "pornographers". Without them "regular amateur" XXX would be considered obscene hardcore.

I did'nt say I was the first ! In fact BOBBY VITALE has been fish-hooking longer than Johnny Knoxville ! Who is Johnny Knoxville anyway ?

I'll have to agree with that.

Those points were very well put. :thumbsup

No, what she said is NOT true. Not across the board anyway. I know a fair number of people in this business and they don't degrade the models, nor do they have issues with the women in this business either saying what's on their mind or sticking up for themselves if need be -- as a matter of fact, most of the GUYS I know in this business are fairly chivalrous and don't like to hear junk talk about the chicks any more than I would.

Maybe she hangs around with a different type of person than I do, who knows.

I've known Dugmor for years and I don't particularly recall him saying anything derogatory about women in front of me. Just the opposite actually.

Damn mof, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

can we get an AMEN

I think KimmyKim knows me well enough, I would never say anything derogatory about woman. I think people take what is said on these boards too serious. My online personality is not the same as my professional business personality.

I run a program that is as soft as they come ( non nude ) and hardcore. I can pretty much market both with great success. I build content that is 100 % legal and would not think of doing something that would ruin this industry that so many of us took the time to build and self regulate.

BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY:
At first glance, the term "KikoWu" does not seem to be a registered trademark.
You could register this as a trademark, and force Kiko_Wu to give up her domain... then you could forward her traffic to a bukakke sponsor.

:1orglaugh :2 cents:

Excellent post.

My name is Vid Vicious and i'm a fish hook addict

I'll be the first to back up Dugmor. I've known dug for years as a matter of fact he was the one that pulled me form mainstream porn to web. that said I can vouch for him. (having worked side by side with him) He's a stand up guy. besides nobody in this biz should say anything about some else?s bossiness model. what he does works for him, it might not be your bag of tricks but we can't all be rich porn people.

One thing I will state about this whole kiko mess ...

Kiko you had the Balls (no pun intended) to stand up and speak your mind .. you just chose the wrong subject! I commend you for sticking to your guns even though you know you are in the wrong.
how would you of liked it if someone came on the boards an insulted you right after you complemented them? Or better yet if they started to talk shit about your program .. you call that Fluff on your site, porn?

If it wasn't for people like the Sweets we'd still be pedaling boudoir pictures

Nope.

I've never found it anything but goofy.

Question:

Who the fuck cares??

like I said before, the little heifer is a hypocrite

I'm not going back over 8 pages of posts but what I remember her saying is that alot of the shit talking about girls goes by on these boards with nobody saying a word. I have only been on GFY a month and I have seen a shitload of it. I have no desire to go to any convention, etc because I really don't want to meet the assholes that do that. Yes, there are many great people here who don't agree with it but I was agreeing with her point that not many say a word about it. And whether or not Dugmor said anything derogatory about women in front of you doesn't take away the fact that he just did on the other board. Something about buying bitches like you every day. Yea, that's alot of respect for his models.

That could very well be true. However, you wouldn't think so from some of your comments on the other board. :2 cents:

btw, i was the one arguing with Kiko, not Dugmor...

also, i only give respect when i get it in return... she doesn't like our sites? fine by me... let's all move on and make some bling-bling.

Yea my bad on the typo. And already after the bling-bling here. :thumbsup

I would like to make a point that no-one has yet raised.

Kiko is accusing all these other people of degrading women and the like...
but has anyone looked at the site in her signature?

Now Don't get me wrong - I love the Sex Waldo idea and I think it would be a great success with surfers; but is it not true that some people would percieve such a device that to quote:


is capable of the highest force and speed of any commercially available sex machine while at the same time being accurate to .005 of an inch. It can thrust at any depth between .005 and 8 inches, any speed up to 400 thrusts per minute and any motion curve. All of these variables are adjustable by the remote user from their browser while the machine is in motion. ...

as somewhat degrading ?


Please tell me - how many women do you think would really enjoy to be shafted 8 inched deep 400 times in one minute?

Is it just me - or does this not sound quite painful?

Add to that the fact that it is controlled by an unknown person somewhere in cyberspace- and it all sounds a bit scary.

I just hope that for the sake of her "talent", she has installed an Emegency Stop Button :helpme (and a LOT of KY)

Hab SoSlI' Quch!

:mad:

See, the thing you gotta understand about Kiko is unless you are doing the same thing she is doing you are wrong, scum and breaking the law -- according to her.

If you do not kiss her ass you are not worth her time.

She must love living on her pedestal and looking thru her rose colored glasses upon the world of porn.

And watch out if you promote something she does not agree with, she will treat you like your name is Easton!

I do like the fact she is sticking to her guns, its good to see her stand up for what she believes in, just too bad she is pissing on everybody that is not in her boat.

oh buga buga

Kiko vs Talent comparison:

Talent -
1. A marked innate ability, as for artistic accomplishment.

2. Natural endowment or ability of a superior quality.
A person or group of people having such ability: The company makes good use of its talent.

3. A variable unit of weight and money used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East.

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COMPARISON:
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Kiko -
1. Anyone can get naked and screw a machine, or another person. Just as they can all do it in front of a camera. No special skills required, and it takes no artistic talent to sit/stand/fuck in front of a camera.

2. I see nothing "superior" or naturally endowed about her, her website or her company.

3. She may qualify as a variable unit of weight, however as depicted by the definition, to be considered under the term "talent", she must also be "money used in ancient Greece, Rome, and the Middle East.".

So, after this detailed review, comparing Kiko to the term "Talent", I don't see that the two are related in any way.
:glugglug

I am SO glad I am not the ONLY one who noticed that!

Too bad you are in Asia..Grand Slam is in Pasadena in March!

:thumbsup

Kiko_Wu is on a an invisible high HORSE. Sooner or later, she will realize that there is no horse, and she will fall.
:2 cents:

Kayla... You are one bad ass babe. You have hit it on the head.

The "models" who do adult shoots are all over 18, and can make adult decisions. Just as Kiko makes adult decisions to sell her digital ass.

Someone said earlier in this thread that a cocaine dealer looks down on the heroine dealer down the street. This is the same situation here.

Kiko is a pornographer, plain and simple. She is not an artist, or a programmer, and she is definitely not personable. She is no better than a pornographer pushing staged anal rape sessions on a faux 15 y/o girl.

End of story.

very well said... :thumbsup

Thank you babycakes!

I have my moments! ;)

Check your email, Easton!
:)

That must have been the fine print on the signs in the 60's!

thanks for the e-mail Kayla...

it only occurred to me now that i saw you at the GFY party the 1st nite, but i didn't recognize you... so sorry, my bad... i did manage to snap a few topless pics of you tho... smokin!

:thumbsup