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Unqualified traffic. What is that exactly?
Is it people looking for cooking recipes landing on a web cam site? Is it people looking for a teen paysite landing on a web cam site? Is it people looking for a cam site clicking on a link that says cam site? We taught the surfer to be unqualified by giving it to him for free. If a guy is browning on a free porn site, putting into Google "Live Web Cams" he isn't "Unqualified. He's someone interested in porn. Someone we have 499 in 500 chances of not selling him anything as he jerks off to the free porn. You made your bed, now lie in it. IMO most cams are fucking boring as hell. girls stuck in a tiny cubicle smaller than my toilet, with little motivation and not that attractive. Few good looking girls have stuck to it, as there's better money elsewhere, well there was, and most I suspect from Eastern Europe. Because it pays so badly a US girl would laugh at the money. Again it's all about paying out lots of money to affiliates, to dump people on a site that's like sieve. That's why they don't convert. Out of the $20 the guys spends, how much goes to the performer putting herself on display and how much to the affiliate? |
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Cams are hard to convert because it is not for everyone. I have never had any interest in viewing girls on cam. Just doesn't do it for me. And if it does do it for you, it is not like they have had a hard time finding the site or two to get their fix. |
Why cams don't convert?
http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/cute_mia/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/malina_rose/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/aizae/ http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/paulin_s/ http://www.xlovecam.com/?p=online&o=GFY http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-72520.html http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-75641.html Are you serious? That stuff loses people faster than a sieve loses water. Simple thing to fix is have the girl look at the camera more often, try to strike up a relationship with people watching and not looking off to my left by a huge degree. That would be a good start. Having girls looking bored doesn't help either. Then the room setting is about as boring as it gets. The "selling" on these sites is pitiful. They just dump traffic on a bad product then find other reasons to blame for their lack of selling skills. girls looking at the camera. girls in a better set up. girls that don't have their heads cut off. girls that look excited to be there. girls profiles about what they are into. For fuck sake when the traffic lands on the site sell to it. These sites don't convert because they don't deserve to. Still stuck in 1995. |
great now clueless is a master about marketing cams now as well.
you ever sold a single cam membership? you ever paid for a cam girl? even sat in on a free cam session? understand what the cam customer wants as opposed to the porn consumer? maybe they should all look like eastern european white slaves from the 80s? |
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Dude, webcams don't even convert that bad. Honestly speaking i convert cams better than dating, paysites, TGP, Tube and products. Only reason being is, you have A LOT of worthless hits. Like back ground pop ups, side bar pop ups etc. With SEO you should be converting 1:600/800 for cams. It really depends on the marketer i guess! I don't think it converts like the 90's anymore because shit is getting safiscated in our world and E-Vagina is getting more pricey a year than real ass and tittays. :1orglaugh
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because everyone has an account on their favorite webcamsite already.
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compare the two sites I showed. With these.
http://www.directchat.tv/?affiliateI...1&campaignId=2 http://www.thisiswebcam.com/?affilia...1&campaignId=2 http://www.villavoyeur.com/?affiliat...1&campaignId=2 http://www.mfc-cams.com/ Now be honest what ones look like they were put together by professionals and which ones look like they weren't even trying to look good? Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?" |
Stop being an idiot Paul.
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The girls look like they were just plonked onto a bed with minimum training. One has her head out of shot, none of them look at the camera, the screen is in the wrong place, it should be in front of the girl with the camera in between the screen and girl. So she's not looking off to my side as she chats. The keyboard should be placed just below the camera. Al this so she looks at me while chatting. Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net. This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about. Sandro's sites look like a place to trust. Quote:
Are you saying those type of sites with bored girls do better than a professionally run site? Go look after your piracy site. |
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Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver. |
Paul, in spite of what you say we sell millions of euros a month -- we are selling -- period and we are profitable. |
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If a guest sees a girl they find unappealing, due to looks, personality, the way she acts, or because they're off cam taking a leak, he doesn't just X the browser, he checks out another model who he might like better. Bored girls have no effect on cam site sales at all, unless there are so few girls online they're all bored; they can only affect their own sales, unless you believe a customer will lose interest in webcams because he finds one girl he doesn't like. As it is, the first "bad" link you posted above was in pvt when I checked, about 10 minutes after you posted, then she went offline, obviously satisfied with the money she'd made. That stuff about where the keyboard is, where the cam is located, no guest cares. Not one. And if they did, they could go in pvt and tell her to re-arrange her furniture to their heart's content. As to whether cam sites shave, how they shave and to what extent they shave, nobody really knows except the cam sites, but it's yet another scapegoat for bad affiliates. The simple fact, again, is that signups are going to suck unless you're sending people who:
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Paul, is ok you talk about prerecorded pay sites, but you miss something about cams.
You said we give away free porn for people to jerk so they don't buy. I am checking now the girls in private at chatgf and I can tell you the 30% are clothed and talking about what movie they seen yesterday or how is the life. So that is not about porn really. Further, the others in private who are doing sex are not available for free. If a guy want this specific girl and can not find in web he have not much choice than take in private and create the content on demand. Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy. Now you posting about cams is as qualified as me going to post in a doctors forum about surgery, note I am not a doctor. And you are not a cam studio (that I know of). |
Curious, whats wrong with webcams.com ? Their white label seems to be the best one compared to livejasmin ect?
Ive had my webcams white label doing 4 sales a week the last year or so, seems to convert alright? |
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If yes then I have years of stats here to back up that what you say here doesnt matter as much (if any) as you think it does. Trust me, when people say you should stick to commenting about photography they are right. You have no stats to back up what ever claim you make. You only have your opinion. Thats great but I would leave the real cam marketing to the pros. What you think is fundamental for a great cam site is actually not that important. Start promoting some cam sites and report back in a year from now with some proper stats. Untill then I would strongly suggest to leave this game to the pros. Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text :thumbsup |
Take it from me, someone who has bought credits and tried a cam site as a user. the reason why conversions are low and not maximized because all these cam sites offering free chat forget to remind their affiliates that the unspoken rule among cam performers is NOT to reply to guests (people who dont have member accounts) on these free live chats.
Since the girls dont reply most of these potential buyers get lost as they are ignored. only one out of a 100 will realize hey i need to buy credit and then she will reply.... |
Ps lets face it most people are like apple users. they really have no clue about anything and you need to draw it out in nice pictures how to do something. morale of the story is webcam performers need to be thought to tell guests that come to free cgat to get an account if you want my attention evej in free chat.
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Do you want me to go back and find more examples? Here's an offer, give me a chance to tutor these girls and I will see if I can't improve their earnings. If not, I'll apologise. Assuming they carry out the instructions. I'm talking basic selling techniques of the first steps when meeting a stranger. Why are the keyboards and screens put at least a food away from the camera? Quote:
These girls have to work 30 hours to make a meager wage. Never has a good model come off webcams and gone back. A girl who will appear nude on camera can make $500 for 6 hours work, or could before the industry was decimated. I can find 1,000s of girls who will work for that money or even a lot less. How long does a girl get in private chat per hour? How much do the members pay or that? How much does an affiliate get? How much does the girl get? It's 30 hours work for crap money dealing with idiots. So the girls are not working well. the solution is easy, pay them more. Let's face it, you're making billions of them. Your words. I tried to find out what the charges were on your site per minute. not that clear what I was getting for my money. |
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How many times does a surfer land on a site and think "I've been here before." Even when he hasn't, it just looks like every other site in the sector. How many times does a surfer move onto the next girl before he gets bored? The keyboard was the first thing I noticed. Because no one tells you they care doesn't mean it hasn't got an effect. These girls are the most important part of the sales process. It's not about traffic. It's about the girls ability to convert it. having girls on a lousy wage, unmotivated in a crap cubicle and dealing with idiots isn't going to make them work better at converting traffic. Nice to see you ended your post by blaming others. :winkwink: Both sides are to blame. The whole process of dumping traffic on sites that take money is the lowest level of selling. Landing it on sites that don't maximise the traffic is another mistake. There are no real problems, everything has a solution. The only problem is finding the money to fund the solution. If of 100 cents, 40 goes in marketing, 20 in running and profit of cam site 40 cents goes to the cam studio. 20 for the owner of the studio and 20 for the girl. To make $50 the girl has to work 250 minutes. If the cost is $1 = 1 minute. That means the girl spends over 100% of her time in private chat. I don't know the real figures, so ridicule away, but I will bet this is where the real problem lies. The guy sitting in the comfort of his home sending shit traffic is earning more than the girls shoving dildos into their pussies. And they're not motivated. |
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$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam. But good job spamming your site. :1orglaugh |
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Your stats can be easily changed, I can show you stats on my sales, going to believe me? What ever, they could be better. I am seeing cam studios closing or shrinking all the time. Out sourced studios that simply didn't get enough of the $4 billion to make a decent product. Studios set up with minimal training and guidance. I've had numerous people offer me the chance to open a studio with all the girls I know. The girls I know won't work 30 hours for the money webcam pays. A guy spend $12 a month on a webcam, if he's spending 10% of his take home pay is on $1,440,000. Yes the poster would be over the moon if it was 1-500. He would be over the moon if it were true. The girl would fly to the the customer and spend the month with him fr that money. I call bullshit until you can prove it. If men were spending lots of money on webcams, then webcams would be a different animal. Girls wouldn't be quitting, studios not closing. And affiliates wouldn't be moaning. an entirely different industry. The truth is girl are unmotivated because they earn crap money dealing with idiots who through no fault of their own don't convert. And people post statements like previously, that if a guy didn't like where the keyboard was placed he would change it in the private chat. Converted guys are not the real problem, finding out why 499 didn't convert is where the solution lies. Now you can debate this till your blue in the face, doesn't make you right. A girl looking at the screen with a smile will convert better than a girl looking 12 inches off screen and looking bored. Do you think pictures sell better with a girl looking bored and into space that a girl smiling into the camera? Barry has the chance to prove me wrong. Lets see if he takes it up. Results will be published here. |
Paul, I never said some webcam studios aren't having a hard time. I also said webcams are hard to convert for a lot of webmasters. Im just saying that your reasoning why is not making a whole lot of sense.
like you say, I can post some stats of our top spenders this year but im 100% sure you will not believe me and say the stats are fake. And the money spent on us too high? Lol we make VS a good chunk of money every month. I think they are pretty happy with the % they are giving us. like always this is an endless discussion making me feel im talking to a wall. Have a great sunday trolling gfy :thumbsup |
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don't know what you are talking about, I convert webcams at 1:201 and it easily pays all my bills.
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1.) The rate is clearly stated on each model's profile information tabhttp://3mp1r3.cam500.com/img/boards/modelrate.png 2.) there is a popup for all logged in customers with credits in their accounts it shows the model's rate stated before starting a private show. |
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Folks that don't agree, or don't understand WHY, are the ones that are failing... :2 cents: On other notes, the performer who seems to not be looking directly into the camera may be looking into a different camera. Simultaneous performances on multiple networks or shooting the cam session as content, are not uncommon, and a second cam/PC/laptop to the side will give the "looking away" effect. Of course, sometimes they're just looking at a kid burping up his carrots... And on another note, "shaving" isn't required. Read your sponsor's terms and understand its business / marketing practices. If you are not making sales, it might be because every person on the planet has already been added into the system (free joins, APIs, cookies, etc), so you'll never likely earn that million dollar PPS. Try promoting an alternative site or program from the same sponsor, or offers from other sponsors. |
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There might be a few good reps out there who are the exception and who can teach a few tricks to the average webmaster but those are few and far between. Especially those who would bother with a struggling small affiliate sending 200 uniques a day. More often than not you'll just get told to promote one of their other site instead or to put up some holiday promo banners or something like that. Then in some cases where the program is known to be shady or recently turned shady and you've decided to keep sending traffic for whatever reason you might be better off staying under the radar so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a story or two about this. |
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