0:25,000 with webcams.com :(

people's minds shut down when it comes to a bad economy. just watch someone when you talk about it. their eyes glaze over and minds literally shut off.

around here they come up with every possible excuse but the most basic and realistic.

The problem is how many of these cam sponsors do you honestly think will allow some small affiliate sending 10 uniques a day to get 20% for life from some whale who spends $20,000 a year for five years? I'm sure it happens at times and I'm sure many programs say they will pay but let's be real.

I remember many years ago a certain very popular cam company who was most famous for their revshare program had a rep who once made a comment like "Affiliates don't deserve to keep getting credit for rebills if they stop sending traffic." on a different webmaster forum. Guess what? Reps don't pick up attitudes like that from nowhere. They often come either from other reps or upper management.

take a look at their pricing, membership options and join page from a surfers perspective and you will understand why. a complete mess.

Owned by Manwin.

has nothing to do with manwin, their site is a mess, always was.

Just letting him know in case he didn't know already.

manwin doesn't even use webcams.com as white label on their tubes. that says something.

And, thanks guys, I had no idea about both, messy pricing and manwin owned

All my webcams adverts will be replaced within couple hours :)

Some interesting posts (and even Paul Markham there!? lol).
My 2 cents on following:

Fob: "It converts bad because cams are free now....mfc, chaturbate. "
And helterskelter808: "The 'free' sites [] appeal to a different kind of surfer. [] Regular 1-1 pvt cams..."

helterskelter808 is right. We launched our free cam site tubecamgirl.com and it did NOT reduced the private chats at chatgf.com. Believe it or not. Also since the girl play for free, we get traffic also for free (altough we have to buy traffic to ignite the site), an some of them then signup chatgf for ppv. Yes they see a girl play for free an hour in tubecamgirl, THEN, will pay $3 a minute to talk her clothed in private. This is not intuitive but that's what we see. Plus some guys are sending tips to the girls in tubecam of course - altough not yet in $1000 pieces as some crazy one drops in myfreecams top girls rooms. But that would be just a matter of time and volume to happen. Simply if you have 1000 guys in a room and 10-15 of them sending tips, they will want to show who is the king and this is why we have put a crown icon to the (1) top tipper in userlist - it works.
If you have a room with same girl playing the same but few guys and no one sending a tip, then the same guy who dropped $1000 tip in previous scenario, will not tip as he feels idiot instead of a king.

signupdamnit: "how many of these cam sponsors do you think will allow some small affiliate to get 20% for life from some whale who spends $20,000 a year for five years"

We never gave rev share so had not the dilemma. It is probable that some cam program in some case shaved, but, I also heard of webmasters who enjoyed year(s) of revshare from whales so I think there is less shaving then someone thinks. I mean even if no one shaved ever, you had the same or 95% the same conversion issue we discuss about.

Paul Markham: "Yes talk to the man who advertises on a piracy forum. "

Paul, I come from content production so I sure hate who does money from stolen content. I was producing pics and vids solo girls, russian studios st.peterburg and novosibirks, good old times pre-2004 - then after 2004 I converted studios in to cam ones - then setup cam sites for others, then for own etc.
Said that, ACCIDENTALLY the advertising networks put my ads (or redirected skimmed blind cj) from dvdrip and fill site tip (file sonic and such) pages. And, I got PAYING customers from there, believe it or not.

Currently, since the authorized sample clips are now 10+ minutes and decent quality, and infinite amount to search and watch (I repeat: even if just browsing the affiliate clips, no more long only 2 minutes!), the result it seems that cj redirect or banners in these sites have the same (or worst now?) conversion ratio then the piratebay or xxx dvd/site-rip forums, at least for CAMS. I am not saying this is good or bad, I simply see it in conversion ratios.

Excuses for a lousy performance don't make it a good performance.

The delusion is on the part of online porn thinking 1-500 is good.

I never bothered to read the rest because these excuses have been trotted out for years.

this thread actually has some good info. fuck off. seriously. shoo.

now you know how we feel when we see your dribble.

Unqualified traffic. What is that exactly?

Is it people looking for cooking recipes landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a teen paysite landing on a web cam site?
Is it people looking for a cam site clicking on a link that says cam site?

We taught the surfer to be unqualified by giving it to him for free. If a guy is browning on a free porn site, putting into Google "Live Web Cams" he isn't "Unqualified. He's someone interested in porn. Someone we have 499 in 500 chances of not selling him anything as he jerks off to the free porn.

You made your bed, now lie in it.

IMO most cams are fucking boring as hell. girls stuck in a tiny cubicle smaller than my toilet, with little motivation and not that attractive. Few good looking girls have stuck to it, as there's better money elsewhere, well there was, and most I suspect from Eastern Europe. Because it pays so badly a US girl would laugh at the money.

Again it's all about paying out lots of money to affiliates, to dump people on a site that's like sieve. That's why they don't convert.

Out of the $20 the guys spends, how much goes to the performer putting herself on display and how much to the affiliate?

I like the program you work for but being an idiot probably does not help others like it. Just a thought.

Cams are hard to convert because it is not for everyone. I have never had any interest in viewing girls on cam. Just doesn't do it for me. And if it does do it for you, it is not like they have had a hard time finding the site or two to get their fix.

Why cams don't convert?

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/cute_mia/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/malina_rose/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/aizae/

http://www.flirt4free.com/rooms/paulin_s/

http://www.xlovecam.com/?p=online&o=GFY

http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-72520.html

http://www.xlovecam.com/sex-cam-hot-...old-75641.html

Are you serious?

That stuff loses people faster than a sieve loses water.

Simple thing to fix is have the girl look at the camera more often, try to strike up a relationship with people watching and not looking off to my left by a huge degree. That would be a good start.

Having girls looking bored doesn't help either. Then the room setting is about as boring as it gets.

The "selling" on these sites is pitiful. They just dump traffic on a bad product then find other reasons to blame for their lack of selling skills.

girls looking at the camera.
girls in a better set up.
girls that don't have their heads cut off.
girls that look excited to be there.
girls profiles about what they are into.

For fuck sake when the traffic lands on the site sell to it. These sites don't convert because they don't deserve to. Still stuck in 1995.

great now clueless is a master about marketing cams now as well.

you ever sold a single cam membership? you ever paid for a cam girl? even sat in on a free cam session? understand what the cam customer wants as opposed to the porn consumer?

maybe they should all look like eastern european white slaves from the 80s?

:pimp :thumbsup

Dude, webcams don't even convert that bad. Honestly speaking i convert cams better than dating, paysites, TGP, Tube and products. Only reason being is, you have A LOT of worthless hits. Like back ground pop ups, side bar pop ups etc. With SEO you should be converting 1:600/800 for cams. It really depends on the marketer i guess! I don't think it converts like the 90's anymore because shit is getting safiscated in our world and E-Vagina is getting more pricey a year than real ass and tittays. :1orglaugh

"Cute Mia is currently in a show and will be back soon."

because everyone has an account on their favorite webcamsite already.

compare the two sites I showed. With these.

http://www.directchat.tv/?affiliateI...1&campaignId=2

http://www.thisiswebcam.com/?affilia...1&campaignId=2

http://www.villavoyeur.com/?affiliat...1&campaignId=2

http://www.mfc-cams.com/

Now be honest what ones look like they were put together by professionals and which ones look like they weren't even trying to look good?

Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?"

Stop being an idiot Paul.

now paul's an expert on cams :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

even though his total cam sales dont exceed 3 paul is the man to talk to about this stuff :1orglaugh

that ! stuffed ofcourse :winkwink:

any possible payment option...webcams... essentially the same :1orglaugh

the first 2 sites looked like crap. Uninspiring, amateur and all the bloody same. Typical for cam sites.

The girls look like they were just plonked onto a bed with minimum training. One has her head out of shot, none of them look at the camera, the screen is in the wrong place, it should be in front of the girl with the camera in between the screen and girl. So she's not looking off to my side as she chats.

The keyboard should be placed just below the camera.

Al this so she looks at me while chatting.

Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net.

This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about.

Sandro's sites look like a place to trust.

No. I'm an expert on selling and these girls are not selling well.

Are you saying those type of sites with bored girls do better than a professionally run site?

Go look after your piracy site.

Paul KNOWS what he's talking about. :thumbsup

Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver.

I am a.... wait... you signed up in 2010... :1orglaugh

I don't think you're clueless, unlike the individual who called you that in this thread and then started a thread himself begging to be spoonfed info on webcams, but this argument is the kind that bad affiliates come up with all the time, to blame something else for their own failure.

If a guest sees a girl they find unappealing, due to looks, personality, the way she acts, or because they're off cam taking a leak, he doesn't just X the browser, he checks out another model who he might like better.

Bored girls have no effect on cam site sales at all, unless there are so few girls online they're all bored; they can only affect their own sales, unless you believe a customer will lose interest in webcams because he finds one girl he doesn't like.

As it is, the first "bad" link you posted above was in pvt when I checked, about 10 minutes after you posted, then she went offline, obviously satisfied with the money she'd made.

That stuff about where the keyboard is, where the cam is located, no guest cares. Not one. And if they did, they could go in pvt and tell her to re-arrange her furniture to their heart's content.

As to whether cam sites shave, how they shave and to what extent they shave, nobody really knows except the cam sites, but it's yet another scapegoat for bad affiliates. The simple fact, again, is that signups are going to suck unless you're sending people who:

• Have a card (ie, aren't from backward countries or under 18 looking for free porn)
• Are prepared to use the card (ie, weren't attracted to the cam site by the word FREE)
• Are interested in webcam cyber

Bleedin' obvious, right? But some people prefer to come up with all kinds of other reasons instead to excuse the fact they obtain a crapload of useless traffic and expect it to work miracles.

Paul, is ok you talk about prerecorded pay sites, but you miss something about cams.

You said we give away free porn for people to jerk so they don't buy.
I am checking now the girls in private at chatgf and I can tell you the 30% are clothed and talking about what movie they seen yesterday or how is the life. So that is not about porn really. Further, the others in private who are doing sex are not available for free. If a guy want this specific girl and can not find in web he have not much choice than take in private and create the content on demand.

Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy.

Now you posting about cams is as qualified as me going to post in a doctors forum about surgery, note I am not a doctor. And you are not a cam studio (that I know of).

Curious, whats wrong with webcams.com ? Their white label seems to be the best one compared to livejasmin ect?

Ive had my webcams white label doing 4 sales a week the last year or so, seems to convert alright?

Cams aren't for everyone, but then what is?

You remember webmaster 101, different strokes?

Paul doesn't grasp the whole niche idea