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Roald

11-06-2011 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18538716)

Roald, nothing but love, but I spend a lot of time showing my accounts how to convert better. Not just the big accounts.

Having 15 years of stats helps

Thats great and all but that doesnt change anything about the fact that cams are often hard to convert for the average webmaster.

Roald

11-06-2011 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18539368)

the first 2 sites looked like crap. Uninspiring, amateur and all the bloody same. Typical for cam sites.

The girls look like they were just plonked onto a bed with minimum training. One has her head out of shot, none of them look at the camera, the screen is in the wrong place, it should be in front of the girl with the camera in between the screen and girl. So she's not looking off to my side as she chats.

The keyboard should be placed just below the camera.

Al this so she looks at me while chatting.

Also girls should be trained to smile, to lure ad to catch the surfers into her net.

This is fundamental selling. Which these girls don't have a clue about.

Sandro's sites look like a place to trust.

I asume you are comapring F4F, Xlovecams and DirectChat (Sandros sites) here?

If yes then I have years of stats here to back up that what you say here doesnt matter as much (if any) as you think it does.

Trust me, when people say you should stick to commenting about photography they are right. You have no stats to back up what ever claim you make. You only have your opinion. Thats great but I would leave the real cam marketing to the pros. What you think is fundamental for a great cam site is actually not that important.

Start promoting some cam sites and report back in a year from now with some proper stats. Untill then I would strongly suggest to leave this game to the pros.

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text :thumbsup

ContentPimp

11-06-2011 12:49 AM

Take it from me, someone who has bought credits and tried a cam site as a user. the reason why conversions are low and not maximized because all these cam sites offering free chat forget to remind their affiliates that the unspoken rule among cam performers is NOT to reply to guests (people who dont have member accounts) on these free live chats.

Since the girls dont reply most of these potential buyers get lost as they are ignored. only one out of a 100 will realize hey i need to buy credit and then she will reply....

ContentPimp

11-06-2011 12:52 AM

Ps lets face it most people are like apple users. they really have no clue about anything and you need to draw it out in nice pictures how to do something. morale of the story is webcam performers need to be thought to tell guests that come to free cgat to get an account if you want my attention evej in free chat.

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18539807)

I asume you are comapring F4F, Xlovecams and DirectChat (Sandros sites) here?

If yes then I have years of stats here to back up that what you say here doesnt matter as much (if any) as you think it does.

Trust me, when people say you should stick to commenting about photography they are right. You have no stats to back up what ever claim you make. You only have your opinion. Thats great but I would leave the real cam marketing to the pros. What you think is fundamental for a great cam site is actually not that important.

Start promoting some cam sites and report back in a year from now with some proper stats. Untill then I would strongly suggest to leave this game to the pros.

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text :thumbsup

Exactly, I'm stating an opinion. An opinion that every surfer has when he lands on a site. These sites are not appealing enough. IMO IMO IMO.

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AnalProbe (Post 18539398)

Paul KNOWS what he's talking about. :thumbsup

Attractive, interested, seducing camgirls getting paid premium if they deliver.

Sells better than an unattractive girl looking fed up and at least a foot to my right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18539414)

Paul, in spite of what you say we sell millions of euros a month -- we are selling -- period and we are profitable.

I will take a guess that the adult webcam industry as a whole takes in in excess of $4 Billion a year, probably a lot more -- there are no published statistics as we are all closely held corporations.

You should start selling cams Paul it might pay you more than your pension. Being on the outside looking in pays nothing ...

You find 2 or 3 bad examples and point fingers ... If you have a few million to invest show us how it should be done ... markhamteensoncam.com :thumbsup

Yes you make millions. Is that good enough for you or would tens of millions be better.

Do you want me to go back and find more examples?

Here's an offer, give me a chance to tutor these girls and I will see if I can't improve their earnings. If not, I'll apologise. Assuming they carry out the instructions. I'm talking basic selling techniques of the first steps when meeting a stranger. Why are the keyboards and screens put at least a food away from the camera?

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18539423)

Are you a man or a woman?

If you are a woman I suggest you choose a cam site and work 30 hrs as a model ...

You don't know until you have been there :2 cents:

After 1000 freeloaders say "show me your pussy and I'll go private with you" in free chat you would be a bit cynical too ...

And here is the real problem.

These girls have to work 30 hours to make a meager wage. Never has a good model come off webcams and gone back. A girl who will appear nude on camera can make $500 for 6 hours work, or could before the industry was decimated. I can find 1,000s of girls who will work for that money or even a lot less.

How long does a girl get in private chat per hour?
How much do the members pay or that?
How much does an affiliate get?
How much does the girl get?

It's 30 hours work for crap money dealing with idiots. So the girls are not working well. the solution is easy, pay them more. Let's face it, you're making billions of them. Your words.

I tried to find out what the charges were on your site per minute. not that clear what I was getting for my money.

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18539455)

I don't think you're clueless, unlike the individual who called you that in this thread and then started a thread himself begging to be spoonfed info on webcams, but this argument is the kind that bad affiliates come up with all the time, to blame something else for their own failure.

If a guest sees a girl they find unappealing, due to looks, personality, the way she acts, or because they're off cam taking a leak, he doesn't just X the browser, he checks out another model who he might like better.

Bored girls have no effect on cam site sales at all, unless there are so few girls online they're all bored; they can only affect their own sales, unless you believe a customer will lose interest in webcams because he finds one girl he doesn't like.

As it is, the first "bad" link you posted above was in pvt when I checked, about 10 minutes after you posted, then she went offline, obviously satisfied with the money she'd made.

That stuff about where the keyboard is, where the cam is located, no guest cares. Not one. And if they did, they could go in pvt and tell her to re-arrange her furniture to their heart's content.

As to whether cam sites shave, how they shave and to what extent they shave, nobody really knows except the cam sites, but it's yet another scapegoat for bad affiliates. The simple fact, again, is that signups are going to suck unless you're sending people who:

Have a card (ie, aren't from backward countries or under 18 looking for free porn)
Are prepared to use the card (ie, weren't attracted to the cam site by the word FREE)
Are interested in webcam cyber

Bleedin' obvious, right? But some people prefer to come up with all kinds of other reasons instead to excuse the fact they obtain a crapload of useless traffic and expect it to work miracles.

Agreed. Everyone points the blame at others. Personally if a site isn't performing well, change the site, whether you're promoting or owning it. Never accept it as "good enough" as Damian says keep testing different things, not in a way that might harm sales, but in a way that helps you to increase them.

How many times does a surfer land on a site and think "I've been here before." Even when he hasn't, it just looks like every other site in the sector.

How many times does a surfer move onto the next girl before he gets bored?

The keyboard was the first thing I noticed. Because no one tells you they care doesn't mean it hasn't got an effect.

These girls are the most important part of the sales process. It's not about traffic. It's about the girls ability to convert it. having girls on a lousy wage, unmotivated in a crap cubicle and dealing with idiots isn't going to make them work better at converting traffic.

Nice to see you ended your post by blaming others. :winkwink:

Both sides are to blame. The whole process of dumping traffic on sites that take money is the lowest level of selling. Landing it on sites that don't maximise the traffic is another mistake.

There are no real problems, everything has a solution. The only problem is finding the money to fund the solution.

If of 100 cents, 40 goes in marketing, 20 in running and profit of cam site 40 cents goes to the cam studio. 20 for the owner of the studio and 20 for the girl.

To make $50 the girl has to work 250 minutes. If the cost is $1 = 1 minute. That means the girl spends over 100% of her time in private chat.

I don't know the real figures, so ridicule away, but I will bet this is where the real problem lies. The guy sitting in the comfort of his home sending shit traffic is earning more than the girls shoving dildos into their pussies.

And they're not motivated.

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 18539503)

Also about 1 every 500 only purchasing, I checked the stats for october month - and the top customer deposited $12,000 alone, in 31 days. If he is the 1 every 500 I am quite happy.

If he was 1-5,000,000 you would be happy.

$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam.

But good job spamming your site. :1orglaugh

Roald

11-06-2011 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18539839)

Exactly, I'm stating an opinion. An opinion that every surfer has when he lands on a site. These sites are not appealing enough. IMO IMO IMO.

Yes, so in that case dont argue with people who can back up that your opinion is not making sense :thumbsup

Roald

11-06-2011 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18539859)

If he was 1-5,000,000 you would be happy.

$12k a month is $144k a year after tax. Guys on this level are getting the real thing, not some girl on a webcam.

But good job spamming your site. :1orglaugh

Again, I have stats which show a whole lot of guys dont want the real thing and are spending a fortune on cams.

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18539860)

Yes, so in that case dont argue with people who can back up that your opinion is not making sense :thumbsup

I've talked to enough cam girls and cam studio owners to know the problem. The money spent on the product is too low. Probably because the money spent on you is too high.

Your stats can be easily changed, I can show you stats on my sales, going to believe me? What ever, they could be better.

I am seeing cam studios closing or shrinking all the time. Out sourced studios that simply didn't get enough of the $4 billion to make a decent product. Studios set up with minimal training and guidance. I've had numerous people offer me the chance to open a studio with all the girls I know. The girls I know won't work 30 hours for the money webcam pays.

A guy spend $12 a month on a webcam, if he's spending 10% of his take home pay is on $1,440,000. Yes the poster would be over the moon if it was 1-500. He would be over the moon if it were true. The girl would fly to the the customer and spend the month with him fr that money.

I call bullshit until you can prove it. If men were spending lots of money on webcams, then webcams would be a different animal. Girls wouldn't be quitting, studios not closing. And affiliates wouldn't be moaning. an entirely different industry. The truth is girl are unmotivated because they earn crap money dealing with idiots who through no fault of their own don't convert.

And people post statements like previously, that if a guy didn't like where the keyboard was placed he would change it in the private chat. Converted guys are not the real problem, finding out why 499 didn't convert is where the solution lies.

Now you can debate this till your blue in the face, doesn't make you right. A girl looking at the screen with a smile will convert better than a girl looking 12 inches off screen and looking bored. Do you think pictures sell better with a girl looking bored and into space that a girl smiling into the camera?

Barry has the chance to prove me wrong. Lets see if he takes it up. Results will be published here.

Roald

11-06-2011 03:08 AM

Paul, I never said some webcam studios aren't having a hard time. I also said webcams are hard to convert for a lot of webmasters. Im just saying that your reasoning why is not making a whole lot of sense.

like you say, I can post some stats of our top spenders this year but im 100% sure you will not believe me and say the stats are fake.

And the money spent on us too high? Lol we make VS a good chunk of money every month. I think they are pretty happy with the % they are giving us.

like always this is an endless discussion making me feel im talking to a wall.

Have a great sunday trolling gfy :thumbsup

jimmycooper

11-06-2011 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18539807)

Unless you like being ridiculled, laughed at and just love to bore people with walls of text :thumbsup

and therein lies the problem...

jhmplondon

11-06-2011 04:54 AM

don't know what you are talking about, I convert webcams at 1:201 and it easily pays all my bills.

OldJeff

11-06-2011 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18539632)

Paul doesn't grasp the whole internet idea

I fixed it for you.

Vendzilla

11-06-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 18540076)

I fixed it for you.

Given some of his recent posts, hhhmmmm

Vendzilla

11-06-2011 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18539799)

Thats great and all but that doesnt change anything about the fact that cams are often hard to convert for the average webmaster.

Average webmasters don't always ask for help.

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I tried to find out what the charges were on your site per minute. not that clear what I was getting for my money.

1.) The rate is clearly stated on each model's profile information tab

http://3mp1r3.cam500.com/img/boards/modelrate.png

2.) there is a popup for all logged in customers with credits in their accounts it shows the model's rate stated before starting a private show.

Some models earn little and some models make 5,000? to 12,000? a month -- sort of like the real world -- some are winners and some just manage to play. I know independent models that have been webcamming for money for years now so if they have lasted that long they must like what they are doing ...

We sell reality and reality is not a perfect place. But GF content, web cams and dating are selling.

Why? Because it is like the "real deal" and that is what people are buying.

Stephen

11-06-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18539316)

Before you send traffic anywhere ask yourself. "Would I buy from this site?"

This is the single best piece of advice for ANY affiliate/salesperson, adult cam or otherwise

Folks that don't agree, or don't understand WHY, are the ones that are failing... :2 cents:

On other notes, the performer who seems to not be looking directly into the camera may be looking into a different camera. Simultaneous performances on multiple networks or shooting the cam session as content, are not uncommon, and a second cam/PC/laptop to the side will give the "looking away" effect. Of course, sometimes they're just looking at a kid burping up his carrots...

And on another note, "shaving" isn't required. Read your sponsor's terms and understand its business / marketing practices. If you are not making sales, it might be because every person on the planet has already been added into the system (free joins, APIs, cookies, etc), so you'll never likely earn that million dollar PPS. Try promoting an alternative site or program from the same sponsor, or offers from other sponsors.

signupdamnit

11-06-2011 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18540279)

Average webmasters don't always ask for help.

It's 9/10 times useless for an experienced webmaster to do that. And of those 1/10 times where it helps half of those will be little more than the rep applying a short term "reverse shave" which does nothing for you in the long run. Usually it's either a problem with the program or your traffic. A rep can't magically fix that stuff and these days they are usually sales people more so than experienced webmasters.

There might be a few good reps out there who are the exception and who can teach a few tricks to the average webmaster but those are few and far between. Especially those who would bother with a struggling small affiliate sending 200 uniques a day. More often than not you'll just get told to promote one of their other site instead or to put up some holiday promo banners or something like that.

Then in some cases where the program is known to be shady or recently turned shady and you've decided to keep sending traffic for whatever reason you might be better off staying under the radar so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a story or two about this.

Vendzilla

11-06-2011 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18540431)

It's 9/10 times useless for an experienced webmaster to do that. And of those 1/10 times where it helps half of those will be little more than the rep applying a short term "reverse shave" which does nothing for you in the long run. Usually it's either a problem with the program or your traffic. A rep can't magically fix that stuff and these days they are usually sales people more so than experienced webmasters.

There might be a few good reps out there who are the exception and who can teach a few tricks to the average webmaster but those are few and far between. Especially those who would bother with a struggling small affiliate sending 200 uniques a day. More often than not you'll just get told to promote one of their other site instead or to put up some holiday promo banners or something like that.

Then in some cases where the program is known to be shady or recently turned shady and you've decided to keep sending traffic for whatever reason you might be better off staying under the radar so to speak. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a story or two about this.

I work with every affiliate that asks for help, I check accounts for those that need it but don't ask. I've built blogs, tgp's, mgp's, freesites, paysites, tubes, a social site and a few other kind of sites. I truely believe that if I have a bunch of newbies using what I show them, they prosper, they become the experienced webmaster who remembers who helped them when no one else would. Its just good business.

I love what I do.

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinafaye (Post 18539830)

Take it from me, someone who has bought credits and tried a cam site as a user. the reason why conversions are low and not maximized because all these cam sites offering free chat forget to remind their affiliates that the unspoken rule among cam performers is NOT to reply to guests (people who dont have member accounts) on these free live chats.

Since the girls dont reply most of these potential buyers get lost as they are ignored. only one out of a 100 will realize hey i need to buy credit and then she will reply....

That is a legit problem and I think is has a lot do do with the models splitcamming into multiple sites. They are just looking to take the easier route of selling the sites' existing customers.

If they made a better effort to deal with sincere guests, and not the ones saying; "show me your tits BB," they would make more sales and more money. However, many of the models spend 20% to 50% of their time in "private" making money so they really don't give a shit ... Human nature -- everyone has their own satisfaction level.

Thanks for mentioning it I may have a possible solution -- we'll see (wood burning :1orglaugh).

BlackCrayon

11-06-2011 01:10 PM

all the big programs are being cookie stuffed by the tube dickheads and other blackhats.

2intense

11-06-2011 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18537931)

logitech HD webcams for just over $40

hahahhaha lollllllll

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18540688)

all the big programs are being cookie stuffed by the tube dickheads and other blackhats.

I am fully aware of the cookie stuffing and we have recently addressed this problem;

1.) We use a "return visit cookie" but the referrer in the cookie is updated to the most recent referrer -- this makes cookie stuffing pointless (an exercise in futility).

2.) In addition, when that referred customer of an affiliate registers for a free account; his account is tied to your affiliate account for all future purchases, from all websites and white labels in our network.

Bottom line, we want our affiliates to get a fair shot at success ...

2intense

11-06-2011 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18538806)

0:25,000 with webcams.com :(

same here .................

2intense

11-06-2011 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barry-xlovecam (Post 18540705)

i am fully aware of the cookie stuffing and we have recently addressed this problem;

1.) we use a "return visit cookie" but the referrer in the cookie is updated to the most recent referrer -- this makes cookie stuffing pointless (an exercise in futility).

2.) in addition, when that referred customer of an affiliate registers for a free account; his account is tied to your affiliate account for all future purchases, from all websites and white labels in our network.

bottom line, we want our affiliates to get a fair shot at success ...

stop spammmmmmmmmming please

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 18540732)

stop spammmmmmmmmming please

only an idiot would send 25,000 referrals somewhere and get no sales ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott View Post
0:25,000 with webcams.com
Quote: "same here ................."

The referrals must have been total crap?

No -- you don't like it ignore me

click

jscott

11-06-2011 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18540751)

only an idiot would send 25,000 referrals somewhere and get no sales ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jscott View Post
0:25,000 with webcams.com
Quote: "same here ................."

The referrals must have been total crap?

No -- you don't like it ignore me

click

Hey spammer, suck a fat cock, I have too much traffic to watch every click with an eagle eye, like you and your shitty little xlovecam program

Paul Markham

11-06-2011 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldJeff (Post 18540076)

I fixed it for you.

The Internet has done little to change porn other than giving it away in vast quantities and turned buyers into freeloaders. It's just a way to deliver porn. the reason guys get a hard on today are the same reasons they got a hard on 10, 20, 30 years. It;s keyboard punchers who like the illusion they made and entirely different form of porn.

Ex Gf is just Readers Wives/Girlfriends. Was shooting a version of the 30 years ago. It was all I was capable of selling. It still sells today. The only difference is the camera.

Reality, please don't fool yourself. Was shooting reality before you guys knew of the Internet.

Live Chat was going on before the Internet. Phone companies were making millions a month doing it. Has no one seen the films where they show the girls in cubicles talking dirty to a guy on the phone? Now the Internet allows them to see the girl they chat with. How many girls talk live to the clients?

Live Chat. Go look at the video I shot of Sandra, look at the documentary Reggie shot of me. Look at www.Astral-blue.come/tour/ and see the them that runs through the site. Sandra is talking to me I'm 100% into a girl talking to me as we have sex, or she has sex or she has sex with herself. And adore talking to girls. If not happily married I would be a webcam chat client. I can also show you videos where I talk dirty to a girl on a phone, while she fucks herself or a friend in front of the camera.

I've also had decades of experience selling in many mediums.

With this knowledge I can say a girl looking off camera and looking bored isn't maximising on her sales. I don't need to drive traffic to a cam site, don't need to run a cam site To know the basic fact that. When selling, look at people and smile.

Those who are coming up with excuses are just accepting what they have as "good enough" I'm not in the mode. I'm always trying to improve things.

The proof is easy to get to.

Barry or Vendzilla can give me online access to one of their owned studio or just tell me which girls they have in these studios on their site. I will watch them. Then prepare a report and some instructions to improve her selling.

I've had decades of experience managing people, both porn and non porn. I've been on weeks or professional courses to improve my man management and sales methods.

It will cost them nothing. If they want to look at ways of improving their sales other than throwing more traffic at a site. Then I might be able to help. Or they can ignore me and carry on as they are, happy with the level and no desire to improve it.

helterskelter808

11-06-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18540679)

That is a legit problem and I think is has a lot do do with the models splitcamming into multiple sites.

I'm sure it's very convenient for cam sites to lay the blame models but the reality is they have been using splitcam for half a decade now. The real problem is that cam sites attract and accept useless affiiates who send boatloads of worthless traffic.

Quote:

The are just looking to take the easier route of selling the existing sites' customers.

And how do you imagine the existing site has customers if not because of the models getting them to sign up?

Quote:

If they made a better effort to deal with sincere guests, and not the ones saying; "show me your tits BB," they would make more sales and more money.

And if cam sites made any effort to kick out useless, non-performing affiliates, the model wouldn't have to deal with so many guests saying "show me your tits bb" and wouldn't feel like they're wasting their time talking to guests. That's how it used to be years ago.

Instead, cam sites make it harder for models, refuse to admit that fact, and then, in your case at least, complain that it's the model's fault because the model doesn't want to deal with the loser guests your loser affiliates send that are swamping the room.

Quote:

However, many of the models spend 20% to 50% of their time in "private" making money so they really don't give a shit

Why should they? If it's the model's job to do the pvts, put up with abusive time wasting guests and convert the traffic, and it's the affiliate's role to send that traffic, what exactly are you doing for your ~60% of what every model makes?

BTW, I noticed this in your rules for the models:

"NO FACE TO FACE MEETINGS with the customers are allowed"

Leaving aside how you imagine you could enforce such a rule, exactly what business is it of yours what the model does in her time off cam?

2intense

11-06-2011 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18540751)

only an idiot would send 25,000 referrals somewhere and get no sales ...

click

not really nice,i am sure there are idiots like him who send 25.000 Uv to your site and make no sales.

helterskelter808

11-06-2011 02:11 PM

And, Barry, if you think splitcamming is the "legit problem", why are you trying to think of a "solution" when your own site doesn't even allow it?

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jscott (Post 18540766)

Hey spammer, suck a fat cock, I have too much traffic to watch every click with an eagle eye, like you and your shitty little xlovecam program

stuff it.

But tell me where did you start sending your "25,000" referrals and start converting 1:500 or better i am sure everyone would like to know ...

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18540787)

And, Barry, if you think splitcamming is the "legit problem", why are you trying to think of a "solution" when your own site doesn't even allow it?

Unofficially, we do and have been for a year ...

Sometimes you are forced to go with the flow.

However, I know quite a few large studio operators, who are very successful BTW, who do not splitcam their models. They may place models at different websites but just one site at a time -- their philosophy is that when models pay the most attention to one site they have the highest success.

Bottom line is, for most models to succeed they need to interact with both customers as well as reasonable guests.

JohnRingo

11-06-2011 02:50 PM

While my freecams makes money off of socialism (freeloaders jacking off on the dime of the few who spend) I don't think that is a long term model for success. Before u know it, the freeloaders with screen capture are going to pepper the web with illegal videos of these girls masturbating.

I think we forget that the real money and long term success of cams comes from girls building relationships with guys who think that there is a chance someday to sleep with them. Cams are virtual strip clubs.

To this point, having tons of foreign models who obviously don't live in this country or girls stuffed in the closets of cam studios do not satisfy this requirement.

I wish there was a white label that would let u pick which models showed up on your site. This would provide variety between the white labels n help affiliates who know their traffic to really optimize their white label.

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 03:18 PM

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... I wish there was a white label that would let u pick which models showed up on your site. This would provide variety between the white labels n help affiliates who know their traffic to really optimize their white label. ...

It's too complex for a White Label application but if you can program using our (or for that matter, any cam site) XML feed -- this can be done now.

Code:

grep ( name1, name2, ... name500 );

There are literally 1000's of active cam models so creating a list of your top 500 choices is no easy task.

Besides, there is a seat for every ass -- let the customer find the one he likes -- maybe he is a freak for Xtra-Large BBW how many of those will you choose?

More realistically will that customer want 18 yo cuties or well weathered 49 yo beauties?

helterskelter808

11-06-2011 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18540827)

However, I know quite a few large studio operators, who are very successful BTW, who do not splitcam their models. They may place models at different websites but just one site at a time -- their philosophy is that when models pay the most attention to one site they have the highest success.

I think it depends on the site, and the profile of the model. Being on one site might help a model concentrate more if they have lots of worthwhile guests and regular pvts, but it also bores the model if the guests are poor or there aren't many. If only for that reason I think it's unfair and unreasonable to try and prevent a model working on more than one site.

I know performers who are not in studios who work on only one site by choice, but they're top performers. I don't believe they're top performers because they only work on one site though (they're top because they work hard, perform well and have a lot of regular guests), I believe they work on one site because they're top performers there.

They aren't interested in another site where they'd have to spend time working up from the bottom and/or believe that splitting their time might harm their position at the site they already do well at.

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Bottom line is, for most models to succeed they need to interact with both customers as well as reasonable guests.

True, and I don't believe any model is against that, plus chatting to guests relieves the boredom, livens up a room and lets a potential pvter see the personality of the model even if she is not talking to him. But too many useless, rude guests have given 'good' guests a bad name in the last few years. And if a guest wants to show he's not a time waster, he should sign up. That's what he's there for, after all, it's a cybersex site not a chatroom.

JohnRingo

11-06-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18540901)

It's too complex for a White Label application but if you can program using our (or for that matter, any cam site) XML feed -- this can be done now.

Code:

grep ( name1, name2, ... name500 );

There are literally 1000's of active cam models so creating a list of your top 500 choices is no easy task.

Besides, there is a seat for every ass -- let the customer find the one he likes -- maybe he is a freak for Xtra-Large BBW how many of those will you choose?

More realistically will that customer want 18 yo cuties or well weathered 49 yo beauties?

Can pretty much guarantee my babe traffic doesn't want BBWs.

As for being too hard, I blame laziness and Apathy. This option would benefit affiliates tremendously. Aren't they worth it?

Barry-xlovecam

11-06-2011 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

BTW, I noticed this in your rules for the models:

"NO FACE TO FACE MEETINGS with the customers are allowed"

Leaving aside how you imagine you could enforce such a rule, exactly what business is it of yours what the model does in her time off cam?

That goes back to when we were incorporated in France and it has to do with the French law; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostit...e#Legal_status

Of course it cant be enforced but it created an 'affirmative defense.' We would not care to have been some prosecutor's test case for Internet law 'virtual' brothel ...

We recently incorporated in Holland and are currently reviewing these rules (policies) vis-a-vis Model Rules.

One thing that is overlooked by most people not really familiar with the cam business is that this off site real meetings issue is one of the major causes of chargebacks -- the girl asked me " to help her out with some private time and she would meet with me when i came to Europe the following week" Also, there have been cases of bad publicity where a guy comes out and says "i spent $3,000 on this bitch at camsite.com and when I got to her country she would not meet with me."

Bottom line, apart from the legal reasons who the hell needs all the trouble from this?

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