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Barry-xlovecam 11-06-2011 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18540935)
Can pretty much guarantee my babe traffic doesn't want BBWs.

As for being too hard, I blame laziness and Apathy. This option would benefit affiliates tremendously. Aren't they worth it?

Choose Girls as the default in your white label that is possible.

One way cam site affiliates are successful is to code their own applications from the cam site's XML and RSS feeds ... It takes work to succeed ...

Some of our ACWM Promo Tools can be made model specific ... Live Webcam, Live Chat and the text links.

example:

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<iframe src="http://www.xlovecam.com/acwm/promo_chat_live.php?&cf=FFFFFF&ct=000000&cc=990000 &ca=FF3300&psm=myhottie&id_affilie=0000-b784d9e31su43kif3bf857bea7f&ids=1-a3965e4c033js97d6a1adbf0f385&chat_align=right&full =1&width=320&vol=100&id_pt=&set_lang=eng&trac=code " frameborder=0 width=650 height=300 name="xlove4229" id="xlove4229" style="overflow: hidden;" scrolling="no"></iframe>

helterskelter808 11-06-2011 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18540858)
While my freecams makes money off of socialism (freeloaders jacking off on the dime of the few who spend) I don't think that is a long term model for success. Before u know it, the freeloaders with screen capture are going to pepper the web with illegal videos of these girls masturbating.
Videos of cam shows are more likely to have people seek out who the model is, so increase the likelyhood of more customers for that model. That's why cam sites use videos of models as promo material. Video and live/interactive is completely different.

The people who cough up monies at MFC aren't really doing it for what's on cam, they're just waving their cyber dick around and trying to one-up their 'rival' guests.

Like I said the other day, MFC is a virtual stripclub, whereas traditional 1-1 PVT cam sites are virtual prostitution - guys go to 'get laid' or even just talk to a girl they like.

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I think we forget that the real money and long term success of cams comes from girls building relationships with guys who think that there is a chance someday to sleep with them.
You're somewhat correct about this, but not really. First, many guests, perhaps even most, simply don't care and just want to get off, and don't even bother talking in pvt, they just want to get down to business.

With the guys who do 'want a relationship', and want and call the model their 'gf', most are not at all looking to actually meet the model. They have their own lives and family, and probably wouldn't have the nerve to anyway.

It's just a fantasy, escapism from their day to day life or partner, so it doesn't really matter where the model lives. In fact you could argue a guy would be more interested in an 'exotic' girl from Romania than a familiar girl from the next town over.

Even if they did want to meet, and the model wanted to meet them, which is unlikely in most cases, it's not as if it's any more difficult to fly from, say, New York to Bucharest than New York to Los Angeles.

helterskelter808 11-06-2011 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18540935)
Can pretty much guarantee my babe traffic doesn't want BBWs.
And they're too dumb not to click on the BBW cams?

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As for being too hard, I blame laziness and Apathy.
On whose part? He just told you how to do it, didn't he?

JohnRingo 11-06-2011 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18540970)
And they're too dumb not to click on the BBW cams?



On whose part? He just told you how to do it, didn't he?
Yes. An extra click can be death.

As for programming, I am busy creating original content driving traffic to individual pages.

I'm asking the cam site to provide a service for my white lable, something they are saying they provide.

Still waiting.

adultmobile 11-06-2011 04:51 PM
Overall a good thread :)
the main point it seems to be:

- sites with certain type and amount of traffic can do money in cams, but most others may have not the type and amount necessary.

- the conversion ratio is less important in cams then the total money made. Unlikely sites with fixed price per user. In fact, even if Paul Markham does not believe it, there are few guys spending thousands dollars alone and for long time (it is always cheaper a real meet then a cam chat, do some research, simply some guy feel guilty or is shy or afraid of virus or whatever and want cams only). So I would talk of total money made than ratio simply.

- most people don't understand why cams sell because they would not buy cams as basically it is not logic or worth (for normal people) to spend lots money in cams. This is why majority of people don't spend in cams, but the minority exists and spend enough.

I would also add that since the world wealth seems to be more and more concentrated to 1% of people where 99% are poor, in all countries, those 1% of people are the whales who spend a lot in cams and they will always exist. So cams suffer less from middle class destruction - esp. I would suggest to raise prices per minute :)

Barry-xlovecam 11-06-2011 04:58 PM
We establish a price range x? to y? -- the models set their price for private shows. There is a sort called "tariff" that translates to rate in French ... You can display the models in each price range -- see who is running a "sale" :1orglaugh

papill0n 11-06-2011 08:57 PM
paul markahm you are such a fucking joke you cant even see it

why would anyone have to prove jack shit to you ?

you do this all the time. let me explain something to you you fucking faggot cunt

you have no traffic

you have no sales

you call yourself an expert in selling

can you see the problem emerging here paul ?

youre an expert on selling who doesnt sell anything

Paul Markham 11-07-2011 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 18540428)
This is the single best piece of advice for ANY affiliate/salesperson, adult cam or otherwise

Folks that don't agree, or don't understand WHY, are the ones that are failing... :2 cents:
How many promoting porn sites would actually buy from any. This is a bigger problem. A lot of peope on this side of the fence think buying porn is foolish, probably would never of bought it anyway and just keyboard crunchers.
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On other notes, the performer who seems to not be looking directly into the camera may be looking into a different camera. Simultaneous performances on multiple networks or shooting the cam session as content, are not uncommon, and a second cam/PC/laptop to the side will give the "looking away" effect. Of course, sometimes they're just looking at a kid burping up his carrots...
All leads to less of a "hook" for the people viewing. Selling is a very highly skilled job. This industry doesn't do it, it dumps people onto a page and relies on luck to convert. Having a girl untrained or badly trained as your last point of closing a sale is a disaster.

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And on another note, "shaving" isn't required. Read your sponsor's terms and understand its business / marketing practices. If you are not making sales, it might be because every person on the planet has already been added into the system (free joins, APIs, cookies, etc), so you'll never likely earn that million dollar PPS. Try promoting an alternative site or program from the same sponsor, or offers from other sponsors.
This is another element. how many people who buy from a cam site have been been on one before. How many have never clicked on an advert, or pop up on a tube or piracy site? I would think few. Is this another benefit of adverting on piracy and Tube sites, get your cookie onto the users computer and cut out the affiliate?

Would cookies with a 24 hour life span cut this down?

Paul Markham 11-07-2011 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 18540468)
I work with every affiliate that asks for help, I check accounts for those that need it but don't ask. I've built blogs, tgp's, mgp's, freesites, paysites, tubes, a social site and a few other kind of sites. I truely believe that if I have a bunch of newbies using what I show them, they prosper, they become the experienced webmaster who remembers who helped them when no one else would. Its just good business.

I love what I do.
Your adverts on piracy sites. do they embed cookies onto the users computer, how long do these cookies last and do they over ride an affiliates cookie?

Paul Markham 11-07-2011 12:36 AM
[QUOTE=Barry-xlovecam;18540679That is a legit problem and I think is has a lot do do with the models splitcamming into multiple sites. They are just looking to take the easier route of selling the sites' existing customers.
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So you have webcam girls working for your company who are selling on different sites you own?

Or you're just the front end shop selling a product produced very cheaply in Eastern Europe, often by people with little porn or model management experience. That you have little control over.

$4 billion industry and you can't afford a better product. OK I understand the problem now. Thanks. :thumbsup

Paul Markham 11-07-2011 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18540772)
I'm sure it's very convenient for cam sites to lay the blame models but the reality is they have been using splitcam for half a decade now. The real problem is that cam sites attract and accept useless affiiates who send boatloads of worthless traffic.
working with an affiliate or two will stick a plaster on an gaping would. working with the studio, management and models will solve the problem a lot better.

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And how do you imagine the existing site has customers if not because of the models getting them to sign up?
Untrained girls doing the best they can.

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And if cam sites made any effort to kick out useless, non-performing affiliates, the model wouldn't have to deal with so many guests saying "show me your tits bb" and wouldn't feel like they're wasting their time talking to guests. That's how it used to be years ago.
This business is 90% about dumping any traffic from anywhere onto a lousy product. I got flamed for cutting out 1 affiliate who was leeching my banners to send traffic elsewhere. Barry isn't the only one to blame, the business model s to blame.

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Why should they? If it's the model's job to do the pvts, put up with abusive time wasting guests and convert the traffic, and it's the affiliate's role to send that traffic, what exactly are you doing for your ~60% of what every model makes?
And how much of that 60% goes to affiliates?

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BTW, I noticed this in your rules for the models:

"NO FACE TO FACE MEETINGS with the customers are allowed"

Leaving aside how you imagine you could enforce such a rule, exactly what business is it of yours what the model does in her time off cam?
They can't enforce it on girls who work 100% for them, girls they just sell the studios product for they have no chance of enforcing it.

Paul Markham 11-07-2011 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 18541004)
- the conversion ratio is less important in cams then the total money made. Unlikely sites with fixed price per user. In fact, even if Paul Markham does not believe it, there are few guys spending thousands dollars alone and for long time (it is always cheaper a real meet then a cam chat, do some research, simply some guy feel guilty or is shy or afraid of virus or whatever and want cams only). So I would talk of total money made than ratio simply.

- most people don't understand why cams sell because they would not buy cams as basically it is not logic or worth (for normal people) to spend lots money in cams. This is why majority of people don't spend in cams, but the minority exists and spend enough.

I would also add that since the world wealth seems to be more and more concentrated to 1% of people where 99% are poor, in all countries, those 1% of people are the whales who spend a lot in cams and they will always exist. So cams suffer less from middle class destruction - esp. I would suggest to raise prices per minute :)
Contrary to the twaddle other put out regarding my knowledge of the cam business. I have a lot more knowledge about it than they do. Most of the sites selling cams do nothing but dump 1,000s of people on a bad product in the hope someone will buy.

I've been in many cam studios, met many of the big guys who thought my set up in Czech was ideal for me to run a cam studio, I invested in and they paid for nothing, spoken to countless models and know or knew many cam studios bosses.

The business is, from what I see, a selection of shops selling the product online via affiliates. These shops have little control, say or investment in the production or affiliates. They're merely middle men selling the product at the retail end. They don't have a lot of skill or experience in running a porn studio, little knowledge in managing porn models and no influence in how the selling or production is run.

Yes there maybe be a few at the top with their own 100% owned dedicated studios. The majority are little more than an affiliate program selling a cheap badly made product from Eastern Europe.

Why? Because there are so many people spending $1,000s on cam models? :1orglaugh

The rise in FB types sites is obvious. "Chat" with a real live girl in the US, who is saucy and sexy enough to flirt online. For Free. Or chat with a girl in Romania, where some of Barry's models are from, and pay for it?

A webcam site that would clean up would be based in the US, in cubicles that didn't look like shit houses and with girls who were really working the crowd. With that it could convert 1-500 of any male traffic. Because if I couldn't sell a sexy chat while a girl the viewer is likely to meet in the US to one in five hundred males. Porn would never be a business. And it must be possible with all the men spending $1,000 on webcams LOL

In fact a site with girls doing this to 100s, keeping their clothes on and paid for by advertising non adult products would clean up. Free to the viewer, girls paid per hour/per viewer and advertising paying for the lot. Fuck Tubes, the guys can watch a real girl who lives in their country and all for free. Takes Social Networking and Tubes to a new level.

Silly me thinking outside the box again. When will I learn just to copy every other broken idea? :1orglaugh

Roald 11-07-2011 05:08 AM
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digitalfantasies 11-07-2011 06:26 AM
Paul, are you saying we should all visit FB and ask random girls to show their tits?

signupdamnit 11-07-2011 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by 2intense (Post 18540773)
not really nice,i am sure there are idiots like him who send 25.000 Uv to your site and make no sales.
Most of the guys doing that are probably the same ones you see hawking the larger webcams sponsors with $1,000 PPS. They post a webmaster ref link and follow it up with that little thumb up icon. If you're lucky they'll also post a statement like "I make lots of money with FUCKYOUWEOWNTHETUBESCASH." This is how the scheme usually works anyway. :1orglaugh

TheSquealer 11-07-2011 06:38 AM
The guy that had only brief and fleeting moments of marginal success ... is now living off the government and telling the entire adult industry they are doing it wrong.

Of course, he's not going to demonstrate that he knows what he's talking about

He's not going to give real world examples, backed by real data

He's not going to actually offer up any sort of proof at all

He's just going to pound his chest and call everyone stupid

Of course, his own sites are horrible and convert poorly - yet he knows great conversions and how to convert traffic

This is the join page from the guy who's telling you how to make money. All content misaligned. Random page elements all competing with each other. A banner for a button to join. A banner that looks confusingly similar to an ad for epoch.
http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour2/join.php


This guy is so dumb on so many levels that it surely merits study in the medical field. I think his greatest accomplishment in life will ultimately be that he created a new form of stupid that was so profound, so deep that it warranted its own new name. Wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years kids were running around making fun of each other for being "a Markham" ... with all retards of the world breathing a collective sigh of relief, knowing their condition will never again be used to explain levels of stupidity that defy explanation.

TheMaster 11-07-2011 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Jarmusch (Post 18537659)
All the current camsites are suffering from overexposure caused by the bazillion tube popunders.
first thing that makes sense to me, because even the conversion of the clicked traffic you send to most using their tools (banners, iframes, ...) sucks

+ it's just too expensive for the average person, maybe the crowd sourcing of private shows makes more sense (multiple people paying together for private)

DVTimes 11-07-2011 08:01 AM
1. we now have free cams.

2. Few new cutsomers. Put it this way, those who want to join a wecam site will have. Its a bit like poker sites. Most people who want to join a poker site will have. So if you prote the webcan site and say you get 10,000 of hits, but say 2000 are all ready mebers of the site and the others are not interested, the result is zerop sales. I would sugest that if a customer is happy with one webcam site they are unlikly to join others.

DVTimes 11-07-2011 08:03 AM
3. More people are now on mobile phones and ipods/ipads, and i would suspect webcan sites do not work on these devises.

DVTimes 11-07-2011 08:09 AM
4. Webcam sites are ugly. Most look the same as they did 10 years ago. I have not seen one that I would spend a moment on.

Often its just a grid of dull thumbnail pics.

You would think at very least you could see a grid of flash clips like on a tube site, so you can see the model at that point chatting and moving.

2intense 11-07-2011 08:45 AM
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh u on 1920...?shut the fuck up
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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542061)
3. More people are now on mobile phones and ipods/ipads, and i would suspect webcan sites do not work on these devises.

adultmobile 11-07-2011 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18541515)
The rise in FB types sites is obvious. "Chat" with a real live girl in the US, who is saucy and sexy enough to flirt online. For Free. Or chat with a girl in Romania, where some of Barry's models are from, and pay for it?
I not understood all of your post.
I will reply knowing I will feed a troll, guys pardon me :)

About US versus east europe girls, this is an interesting topic. Look for the top models in the various sites and you see a majority is romania, ukraine, russia originated - altough some claim they're in USA and it looks like they are from there, but are not.
I would say for cam thing the far girl is ok in most cases - real meet not an option.

About real US girls showing "for free", wha tyou talk about? That's true for few over 35 fat ones, some show for free (in cam4 etc.). But not happens for 18-25 pretty ones. A few of these US girls you can find in myfreecams playing for free, BUT as long as their camscore = money they do is in amount of several thousands, or simply they not stay online. I know some of them and they say me they earn $10,000 to $30,000 a month, their cut, so I would not call it for free on their end. Note that most of MFC traffic is not from affiliate so the site have not to pay affiliate % for most of these money.

There is nothing such as pretty young girls (either US or east europe) who show naked and/or play for free - the difference between US and East Europe girls is just the minimum money they should make - but no one cute young girl even in poorest country of the world will show unless she thinks she do money with it. So be sure the cam sites where a (young pretty) girl shows free, are making money as the girl would not be there if no one paid her (as much as a porn "job") to be there online. This is different from a Tube site where content does not "go offline" if no one pay, it is a file not a girl who need a minimum $$ or have other job offers.

It is instead possible to have guys show cock in cam for free, but I am not into gay biz, we have girls only. Actually cam4 is more gay then straight as the free (really for no money) cock cam is easier to find. I also hear most cam programs have 40% or more biz from gay biz which I am not an expert of so I will not talk of.

We have a free live shows site tubecamgirl.com but at the momoent no one US model, simply as there is less tips then mfc and so not enough for US girls to be interested at. In the case it grows traffic = tips then even US girls may join, we hope so. Also note in cam4 some (young pretty) girl is there free getting low or no tips, but! Gettings biz off site by skype contacts (paying western union, paypal or else), what I mean is that free cam site have models = stay up only if the models (and so the site) also make money. A Tube site you "steal" content once and it stay up no matter you have sales or no.

I hope my post been useful for someone. Not necessarily for Paul Markham :)

digitalfantasies 11-07-2011 11:38 AM
wtf are webmasters thinking "those who want to join a wecam site will already have." That is probably the most stupid thing I have heard in a long time...

so basically you are saying, people who like porn are already member of some paysite, so you have no chance converting them?? People who like food probably already went out and bought some groceries, so they will never buy again??? Do you feel me???

anexsia 11-07-2011 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18541911)
The guy that had only brief and fleeting moments of marginal success ... is now living off the government and telling the entire adult industry they are doing it wrong.

Of course, he's not going to demonstrate that he knows what he's talking about

He's not going to give real world examples, backed by real data

He's not going to actually offer up any sort of proof at all

He's just going to pound his chest and call everyone stupid

Of course, his own sites are horrible and convert poorly - yet he knows great conversions and how to convert traffic

This is the join page from the guy who's telling you how to make money. All content misaligned. Random page elements all competing with each other. A banner for a button to join. A banner that looks confusingly similar to an ad for epoch.
http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour2/join.php


This guy is so dumb on so many levels that it surely merits study in the medical field. I think his greatest accomplishment in life will ultimately be that he created a new form of stupid that was so profound, so deep that it warranted its own new name. Wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years kids were running around making fun of each other for being "a Markham" ... with all retards of the world breathing a collective sigh of relief, knowing their condition will never again be used to explain levels of stupidity that defy explanation.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

papill0n 11-07-2011 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542073)
4. Webcam sites are ugly. Most look the same as they did 10 years ago. I have not seen one that I would spend a moment on.

Often its just a grid of dull thumbnail pics.

You would think at very least you could see a grid of flash clips like on a tube site, so you can see the model at that point chatting and moving.
:1orglaugh just wow

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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542061)
3. More people are now on mobile phones and ipods/ipads, and i would suspect webcan sites do not work on these devises.

spoken like paul markham. fucking clueless.

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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542059)
1. we now have free cams.

2. Few new cutsomers. Put it this way, those who want to join a wecam site will have. Its a bit like poker sites. Most people who want to join a poker site will have. So if you prote the webcan site and say you get 10,000 of hits, but say 2000 are all ready mebers of the site and the others are not interested, the result is zerop sales. I would sugest that if a customer is happy with one webcam site they are unlikly to join others.
you are an utter moron

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 18541911)
The guy that had only brief and fleeting moments of marginal success ... is now living off the government and telling the entire adult industry they are doing it wrong.

Of course, he's not going to demonstrate that he knows what he's talking about

He's not going to give real world examples, backed by real data

He's not going to actually offer up any sort of proof at all

He's just going to pound his chest and call everyone stupid

Of course, his own sites are horrible and convert poorly - yet he knows great conversions and how to convert traffic

This is the join page from the guy who's telling you how to make money. All content misaligned. Random page elements all competing with each other. A banner for a button to join. A banner that looks confusingly similar to an ad for epoch.
http://www.paulmarkhamteens.com/tour2/join.php


This guy is so dumb on so many levels that it surely merits study in the medical field. I think his greatest accomplishment in life will ultimately be that he created a new form of stupid that was so profound, so deep that it warranted its own new name. Wouldn't surprise me if in 20 years kids were running around making fun of each other for being "a Markham" ... with all retards of the world breathing a collective sigh of relief, knowing their condition will never again be used to explain levels of stupidity that defy explanation.
your summaries of paul are concise and accurate

adultmobile 11-07-2011 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies (Post 18542489)
wtf are webmasters thinking "those who want to join a wecam site will already have." That is probably the most stupid thing I have heard in a long time...

so basically you are saying, people who like porn are already member of some paysite, so you have no chance converting them?? People who like food probably already went out and bought some groceries, so they will never buy again??? Do you feel me???
Yes our cam models say they see the same members in many different cam sites so for sure who is in one cam site may want to be also in others rather than keep in one only. Of course who not like cam sites will be in no one, but who is in one may want to try them all or most.
There is even an issue the guys search same model in all cam sites to find in what one she is cheaper per minute - so as affiliate, to teach to guys there's yet another cam site cause the guy to sign to it i.e. "thanks I did not knew this one".
It may be true it is difficult to find one of those guys who never seen a livejasmin or streamate page, this give better chance to small sites - who may have otherwise the issue of having too few girls online however.

I know Paul will reply again.

JohnRingo 11-07-2011 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18540969)
Videos of cam shows are more likely to have people seek out who the model is, so increase the likelyhood of more customers for that model. That's why cam sites use videos of models as promo material. Video and live/interactive is completely different.s.
That is such crap. I will show you my search traffic of guys looking for vids of these girls and NOT their cams. U think a guy is gonna pay Nikki Ferrari to squat on a bedpost when every tube site has video of it?

JohnRingo 11-07-2011 03:07 PM
Hey xlovecams, could your site load any slower?

helterskelter808 11-07-2011 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18543035)
That is such crap. I will show you my search traffic of guys looking for vids of these girls and NOT their cams. U think a guy is gonna pay Nikki Ferrari to squat on a bedpost when every tube site has video of it?
Because Nikki Ferrari fucking a bedpost = the webcam business? What?

Here's a free tip: Freeloaders do not fucking matter. What they search for does not fucking matter. They are non-persons.

Video does not equal live/interactive. Carry on thinking that's crap if you like; seems you still don't understand what webcams are about - who works on them, what happens on them and who visits them and why - even after 3 pages of this thread.

I like you, and I like your avatar, but your 12 inch dick complex isn't helping you. If you think you can learn anything from your traffic, other than it sucks, you are delusional.

porno jew 11-07-2011 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18543131)
Here's a free tip: Freeloaders do not fucking matter. What they search for does not fucking matter. They are non-persons.
what are biz models of the only porn sites in top 500 alexa, idiot.

Barry-xlovecam 11-07-2011 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542061)
3. More people are now on mobile phones and ipods/ipads, and i would suspect webcan sites do not work on these devises.
We automatically redirect mobile devices and are compatable with Flash and non-Flash Platforms. For iPhone -- 2 years almost, in Flash for 3 months now. Check it out in a mobile device ... I would think that most cam sites do likewise.
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Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18543047)
Hey xlovecams, could your site load any slower?
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8        te0-2-0-1.ccr22.ord03.atlas.coge        0.00%        48        28.1        27.3        23.6        44.5
9        te0-0-0-1.ccr22.ord01.atlas.coge        0.00%        48        26        27.2        23.5        42.8
10        te0-2-0-5.ccr22.bos01.atlas.coge        0.00%        48        113.9        115.5        111.7        133.1
11        te0-2-0-1.ccr22.lpl01.atlas.coge        0.00%        48        113.6        114.9        112        136.4
12        te0-3-0-3.ccr22.ams03.atlas.coge        0.00%        48        123        122.9        118.8        154.9
13        te1-2.mpd03.ams03.atlas.cogentco        0.00%        48        122.9        126.1        121        182.3
14        149.6.128.162        0.00%        48        123.9        122.5        119.1        157
15        91.208.175.119        0.00%        48        120.5        121.3        118.5        139.9


REBOOT UR MODEM!

No problem for me ... Send me a tracert/traceroute from your local computer if there is a real problem and I'll have the carriers look into the router metrics per chance there is an actual metrics or router issue in your route ...

helterskelter808 11-07-2011 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18543141)
what are biz models of the only porn sites in top 500 alexa, idiot.
*y a w n*

HandballJim 11-07-2011 05:14 PM
I think it depends on which webcam sponsor your using, if I was not promoting the niche cams I promote I would have left the Adult biz after a couple years in frustration.

Originally my main objective was to cover all my costs associated with domains and hosting. Now my objective is to make 2k a month, and no way was I going to make that in a short period of time promoting pay/member/VOD sites.

This is just a side project, and I also work a 40 hour 9-5, hopefully I can make an online project full time one day. But I think mainstream is the way to go, still looking for my niche there...no money in promoting the sport of Handball.

JohnRingo 11-07-2011 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 18543131)
Because Nikki Ferrari fucking a bedpost = the webcam business? What?

Here's a free tip: Freeloaders do not fucking matter. What they search for does not fucking matter. They are non-persons.

Video does not equal live/interactive. Carry on thinking that's crap if you like; seems you still don't understand what webcams are about - who works on them, what happens on them and who visits them and why - even after 3 pages of this thread.

I like you, and I like your avatar, but your 12 inch dick complex isn't helping you. If you think you can learn anything from your traffic, other than it sucks, you are delusional.
I like u too.

All my search traffic for "meaningful relationship with a webcam girl" converts 1:1

Lol

Jakez 11-07-2011 07:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18539839)
Exactly, I'm stating an opinion. An opinion that every surfer has when he lands on a site.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Have you always been like this or are you really going insane?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18540770)
Or they can ignore me and carry on as they are, happy with the level and no desire to improve it.
It's not that they don't have a desire to improve it, it's that you don't know what you're talking about, no matter how much you think you do, you don't. No matter how many cam studios you've been to and how many owners you've talked to, until you are actually doing it yourself you can't honestly say you know what to do and what not to do, can you? Why would someone take advice from someone with no experience? You put your 2cents in on every subject on here from tgp's, tubes, paysites, cams, etc. and every time there are people who have BEEN doing it telling you you're completely wrong. Still wondering why no one wants your advice?

Yeah so they tell the girls to look into the cam and smile more. What is that going to change? Do you think they have never been told that? The girls are still going to go back to doing it how they do it. As someone else said, everyone has their own level of satisfaction. You act like you've discovered some huge flaw in the cam world. I'm sure anyone running these cam networks could spot little things like this but since they're actually in that business they know there are bigger things to take care of and worry about.

digitalfantasies 11-07-2011 08:04 PM
well, whatever some people think they know about cam biz.... as you can see on page 1 of this thread, we can convert cams 1 : 8 (and averaging at 1 : 20) oh, that ratio is with max 4 work hours a day...and I have a very decent income ;-)

so my guess is you (people who are complaining) are doing something wrong....

Fob 11-08-2011 03:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by digitalfantasies (Post 18543639)
well, whatever some people think they know about cam biz.... as you can see on page 1 of this thread, we can convert cams 1 : 8 (and averaging at 1 : 20) oh, that ratio is with max 4 work hours a day...and I have a very decent income ;-)

so my guess is you (people who are complaining) are doing something wrong....
Whoa, you must have a lot of spending lifetime members! Those stats are confusing because it isn't the signup:uniques ratio. It is the "number of sales":uniques.

I'll get 10 sales from lifetime members every month with 0 new signups. If I send 10 hits, my ratio will be 1:1. If I send 1000 hits, my ratio will probably be 1:100. If I sent a million hits, my ratio will probably be something like 0:25000 :1orglaugh

mopek1 11-08-2011 05:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 18542073)
4. Webcam sites are ugly.
I actually agree with this comment.

Most webcam landing pages actually irritate me. I wouldn't join because of that.

LatinaCrazy 11-08-2011 06:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnRingo (Post 18543035)
That is such crap. I will show you my search traffic of guys looking for vids of these girls and NOT their cams. U think a guy is gonna pay Nikki Ferrari to squat on a bedpost when every tube site has video of it?
I dont think that Nikki Ferrari has anything to do with the VOD equation.

I do know that a guy that just got done looking at a VOD Agelica Guttierrez on VOD is 70% likely to find her and take her private.

That is fact not opinion.

VOD works as a sales tool and as an income source.


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