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Supz 11-08-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18546144)
It seems really obvious that it is 41....... but maybe I am missing something??? Is there a trick?

There is no trick. The trick is you are on a message board full of math flunkies.

baddog 11-08-2011 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18546344)
You seriously never heard of order of operations? I don't believe they are some newfangled invention.

I can honestly say that the "order of operations" is a phrase I do not recall ever hearing prior to this evening.

cykoe6 11-08-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 18546346)
These particular rules haven't changed in a very long time.

"The basic rule (that multiplication has precedence over addition)
appears to have arisen naturally and without much disagreement as
algebraic notation was being developed in the 1600s and the need for
such conventions arose."

http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52582.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18546352)
40+ years is hardly newfangled. :2 cents: Have you found anything that states when this rule was conceived?



It was the rule when I was in elementary school 35 years ago...... that is all I know.

cykoe6 11-08-2011 08:54 PM

Nobody remembers "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"? It is probably the only thing I do remember from that far back.

baddog 11-08-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18546355)
Nobody remembers "Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally"? It is probably the only thing I do remember from that far back.

Nope, tonight is definitely the first time.

CyberHustler 11-08-2011 08:56 PM

Math looks like hieroglyphics to me. Thanks Allah for calculators.

Linguist 11-08-2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18546352)
40+ years is hardly newfangled. :2 cents: Have you found anything that states when this rule was conceived?

This rule was conceived as soon as basic algebra needed proper notation... which according to this guy is 1600's.

More details here:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52582.html

Linguist 11-08-2011 09:00 PM

"The convention that multiplication precedes addition and subtraction was in use in the earliest books employing symbolic algebra in the 16th century. The convention that exponentiation precedes multiplication was used in the earliest books in which exponents appeared. "

http://jeff560.tripod.com/operation.html

woj 11-08-2011 09:10 PM

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The Heron 11-08-2011 09:19 PM

Electrolytes!

woj 11-08-2011 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 18546360)
This rule was conceived as soon as basic algebra needed proper notation... which according to this guy is 1600's.

More details here:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52582.html

so few years after baddog was born :winkwink::1orglaugh

Coup 11-08-2011 09:24 PM

http://i.imgur.com/bpbAJ.jpg

The TI-84 has spoken.

A plague of locusts shall be brought upon the heads to all those who deny him.

FlexxAeon 11-08-2011 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18546388)

The TI-84 has spoken.

A plague of locusts shall be brought upon the heads all those who deny him.

ahhh i remember my TI-82

Ayla_SquareTurtle 11-08-2011 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18546388)
The TI-84 has spoken.

A plague of locusts shall be brought upon the heads to all those who deny him.

:1orglaugh

This thread was hysterical.

baddog 11-08-2011 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linguist (Post 18546360)
This rule was conceived as soon as basic algebra needed proper notation... which according to this guy is 1600's.

More details here:
http://mathforum.org/library/drmath/view/52582.html

I understand that the theory may have existed, but did they always call it that? I am pretty sure in the 60's we always used brackets.

Fob 11-08-2011 10:07 PM

Bedmas .

Supz 11-08-2011 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18546352)
I can honestly say that the "order of operations" is a phrase I do not recall ever hearing prior to this evening.


edit

Should have read further down...

shade001 11-09-2011 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18545983)
Right. So, 40 + 40= 80
80x 0= 0
0+ 1= 1

But like I said, it has been 1969 since I took a math class.

It's scary to think most people can't figure that out. I guess we older guys have one advantage, we actually went to a school that taught us something.

lock 11-09-2011 12:44 AM

the answer is 1 anything x 0 = 0 the addition is at the end after the equals = symbol plus + 1 so answer is can only be one.

Those that think there is any other outcome are mixing up the order of the equation.

rowan 11-09-2011 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shotsie (Post 18546152)
Didn't any of your elementary school teachers teach you "Please excuse my dear aunt sally or PEMDAS"? That's one of the few things that stuck in my head from math class.

Parenthesis
Exponent
Multiply
Divide
Add
Subtract

in that order

We learned it as BODMAS

Brackets
O-something?
Division
Multiplication
Addition
Subtraction

Hmm, maybe it was BOMDAS.

PS: The correct answer is green.

35PPS_Kristine 11-09-2011 01:13 AM

you can't be serious.
only a really dumb person can't calculate something like this and you are making a thread out of it?

Jel 11-09-2011 01:57 AM

lol wtf with the first few replies, the answer is 1.

(anyfuckingthing) x 0 always = 0

Jel 11-09-2011 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thickcash_amo (Post 18545842)
HAHAHAHA who taught you math????

First you ALWAYS do multiplication FIRST! And any number multiplied but 0 always equals 0! So 40*0= 0
Then start from right to left. 40+0=40
Last number 40+1=41
Thus the answer is 41!

priceless :1orglaugh

Mind you, there are too many priceless replies in here to give due credit. Holy fuck, what has the world come to.

calvinawe 11-09-2011 02:05 AM

41 of course :)

Max Potential 11-09-2011 02:31 AM

If you put this equation into an excel spreadsheet cell (=40+40*0+1), the calculated answer is 41 :thumbsup

FlexxAeon 11-09-2011 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18546613)
lol wtf with the first few replies, the answer is 1.

(anyfuckingthing) x 0 always = 0

wrong....

apply it to real life. if i had 40 bucks, and i said i'd give you that plus double whatever money you had in your pocket....

40 + 2 x X = your money

badly notated.... should be 40 + (2 x X)... but similar to the original equation.

so if you had no money in your pocket (X = 0), doing the math from left to right would get you $0.

40 + 2 = 42, then 42 x 0 = 0?

so did my 40 bucks disappear because you're broke?

PEMDAS!

Jel 11-09-2011 02:36 AM

I'm staggered that people are applying scientific maths to a non-scientific maths problem.

There is no parentheses (sp) so you don't insert one (as a scientific calculator would do, because it obviously assumes it's a scientific equation - you cant add the parentheses as you type in the equation). The order of operation only comes into it when calculating scientific maths, so you go left to right, because this quite clearly is NOT a scientific maths equation, due to the fact there are NO parentheses.

People who are adding them in themselves are like the dumb fucks who indicate right at a 4 exit roundabout when they are going straight over - there is no need!

And I say dumb fucks affectionately ;)

Double trouble 11-09-2011 02:38 AM

(.)(.) + $$$ = ( • )( • )

FlexxAeon 11-09-2011 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double trouble (Post 18546649)
(.)(.) + $$$ = ( ? )( ? )

math we can all agree upon :thumbsup

Jel 11-09-2011 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 18546646)
wrong....

apply it to real life. if i had 40 bucks, and i said i'd give you that plus double whatever money you had in your pocket....

40 + 2 x X = your money

badly notated.... should be 40 + (2 x X)... but similar to the original equation.

so if you had no money in your pocket (X = 0), doing the math from left to right would get you $0.

40 + 2 = 42, then 42 x 0 = 0?

so did my 40 bucks disappear because you're broke?

PEMDAS!

Not quite correct, because you'd need to say you'd give me 40 bucks and another 40 bucks, times that 80 bucks by whatever I have in my pocket, in this case 0, then a buck on top. Which is a buck.

Now, if you said you'd give me 40 bucks, plus 40 bucks multiplied by what I have in my pocket (in other words, you verbally added the parentheses), plus a buck, then you'd give me 41 bucks.

Max Potential 11-09-2011 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18546648)
I'm staggered that people are applying scientific maths to a non-scientific maths problem.

There is no parentheses (sp) so you don't insert one (as a scientific calculator would do, because it obviously assumes it's a scientific equation - you cant add the parentheses as you type in the equation). The order of operation only comes into it when calculating scientific maths, so you go left to right, because this quite clearly is NOT a scientific maths equation, due to the fact there are NO parentheses.

People who are adding them in themselves are like the dumb fucks who indicate right at a 4 exit roundabout when they are going straight over - there is no need!

And I say dumb fucks affectionately ;)

Though I could be wrong, with, or without the parens, I think the rules still apply;
http://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/v...perations.html

Jel 11-09-2011 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double trouble (Post 18546649)
(.)(.) + $$$ = ( ? )( ? )

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

gideongallery 11-09-2011 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18545807)
I would say that since there are no parenthesis the answer must be 1. But I have not taken a math class in many years, so the rules may have changed.

Quote:

from the introduction of modern algebraic notation, where juxtaposition indicates multiplication of variables, multiplication took precedence over addition, whichever side of a number it appeared on.[1] Thus 3 + 4 × 5 = 4 × 5 + 3 = 23. When exponents were first introduced, in the 16th and 17th centuries, exponents took precedence over both addition and multiplication, and could be placed only as a superscript to the right of their base. Thus 3 + 52 = 28 and 3 × 52 = 75. To change the order of operations, originally a vinculum (an overline or underline) was used. Today we use brackets. Thus, to force addition to precede multiplication, we write (2 + 3) × 4 = 20, and to force addition to precede exponentiation, we write (3 + 5)2 = 64.
how fucking old are you

FlexxAeon 11-09-2011 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18546654)
Not quite correct, because you'd need to say you'd give me 40 bucks and another 40 bucks, times that 80 bucks by whatever I have in my pocket, in this case 0, then a buck on top. Which is a buck.

Now, if you said you'd give me 40 bucks, plus 40 bucks multiplied by what I have in my pocket (in other words, you verbally added the parentheses), plus a buck, then you'd give me 41 bucks.

even without parentheses, multiplication is to be done before addition

Jel 11-09-2011 02:52 AM

A lot of non gamblers here, obviously.

Jel 11-09-2011 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlexxAeon (Post 18546664)
even without parentheses, multiplication is to be done before addition

Not in non-scientific maths, no.

paffg 11-09-2011 02:54 AM

This is the official gfy intelligence test

Jel 11-09-2011 02:58 AM

Open the calculator on your computer, and type in the question, hitting enter to see each step. Now switch to scientific and enter it, watching each step.

standard:

40 + 40 = 80
* 0 = 0
+ 1 = 1

scientific
40 + 40 = 80
* 0 = 0
+ (now the number on screen jumps to 40, as ONLY in scientific maths does the order come into it) 1 = 41

Coup 11-09-2011 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18546648)
I'm staggered that people are applying scientific maths to a non-scientific maths problem.

There is no parentheses (sp) so you don't insert one (as a scientific calculator would do, because it obviously assumes it's a scientific equation - you cant add the parentheses as you type in the equation). The order of operation only comes into it when calculating scientific maths, so you go left to right, because this quite clearly is NOT a scientific maths equation, due to the fact there are NO parentheses.

People who are adding them in themselves are like the dumb fucks who indicate right at a 4 exit roundabout when they are going straight over - there is no need!

And I say dumb fucks affectionately ;)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8x4p93TSIi...is-invalid.jpg

Adraco 11-09-2011 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 18546677)
Open the calculator on your computer, and type in the question, hitting enter to see each step. Now switch to scientific and enter it, watching each step.

standard:

40 + 40 = 80
* 0 = 0
+ 1 = 1

scientific
40 + 40 = 80
* 0 = 0
+ (now the number on screen jumps to 40, as ONLY in scientific maths does the order come into it) 1 = 41

Go to wolframalpha.com and use it!

41 it is!


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