a note for you, it would break the average american.

let's hear the story about Playboy owing you 60k

Sure, agreed. I guess I should clarify: would it break most of us who are actually making money from this industry, and not just the $100/week affiliate checks guys (who I have much love for, no disrespect intended)?

Seriously, if $38k breaks your finances, then you probably need a cheaper car, a cheaper house, or a cheaper lifestyle. At least eight months of cushion should be in the bank for emergencies, etc. Figuring an average $150,000 salary (with program owners being higher, and your average designer, etc, being lower), that's $100,000 cushion money, of which $38k only represents a 38% hit to your stash.

It'd be silly to take another $50k (50% of your stash, totally 88% now) to fight for that $38k, in my opinion. But maybe that's just me. Aside from my cars (which is an addiction I have to start fighting), I'm fairly conservative with my money.

court isn't an option anymore if it's 4 years... and the limit is $25,000 for small claims in ontario... not all, but most of it. no lawyer

now he's just in a 'he said she said' kind of argument, and he didn't sue or go to any gov't agency in the proper time frames........ sure he has papers, but he did nothing with them. They mean nothing now. That falls on him.

he might as well be posting I coulda woulda shoulda done something... but he DIDN'T.


I'm not saying mark was innocent, but he is NOW cause he didn't do anything in the proper time frames.

time to suck it up and move on. Take it as a lesson where you learned not to do that again, and what to do if it does happen in the right time frames.


imagine just how powerful his case would be if he had a legal judgement against mark..... now, with mark saying talk to my lawyer, and him not doing that... he looks like the bad guy. not saying he is, just how it looks..... think about it.

Or he could post here and let everyone know what they are dealing with.

It's a pretty boring one, and I don't want to distract from the thread, but they did a contract extension with me through the required written notification, then changed their minds and backed out, never paying a dime. I geared up to service the contract, and I paid my vendors regardless of Playboy's decisions. No one got screwed on my end, I made sure of it.

From the beginning of the negotiation with Lensman, it was supposed to be $5k/month plus $5k/mo in advertising on GFY. That extra $5k never made it into the final deal, and when they agreed to the year extension (after doing a 9-month extension previously, which they paid), I had no reason to doubt them. Then a VP came waddling in and blathered on about not renewing, not paying for the months I provided service without a contract, etc.

They paid late a lot of the time anyway. But it was neat seeing a Heffner's signature on the checks:

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/pb-check.jpg

Anyway, water under the bridge. They were in a very bad financial situation, and I had/have friends there, so I accepted a private apology and wrote it off as bad debt. At least they acknowledged it, apologized for it, and have said good things to new clients on my behalf. GTS, on the other hand ... is another story.

"time to suck it up and move on." over 38k? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!!!??

One of the dumbest comments of all time.

I hope you get your money.

But FYI the media income in the US is $39k and change.

ummm, i'm thinking without a judgement when it's clear from what he's saying that he would have got one, he looks like a disgruntled fired employee.

his whole story doesn't add up without the judgement. just saying....

forget mark for a second, would you hire him? blah blah blah,,,seriously.. think about it. if something goes wrong, he explodes.

would you work with mark? you can say No no no but if mark has something you can buy that's profitable for you, then all this thread makes you do is make sure you dot your 'i's and cross your 't's when dealing with mark, which you should do anyway with everyone. Worst thing it does to mark is end a couple handshake deals and force him to put them in paper.

end of this thread - winner mark. sad but true

I was looking at the successful segment of our sector, not the working U.S.


I was never fired. I left the company after my fourth month of unpaid work.


If allowing four years for a debt to be paid, and then finally making a thread is "exploding" to you, then I'd hate to see your reactions to actual blow-ups.

dude, time frames.... if you don't file for justice within those, you suck it up and move on and stop crying.

stating otherwise is, well..... think about it.



I could have fucked that girl if only I had.... wa wa wa
I could have won that fight if only I had... wa wa wa
I could have got that money if only I had... wa wa wa

i heart threads with images of checks.

Sleazy is bizarre and actually a little bit scary, but you have to admit, he provides good entertainment! Glad you're here, stick around no matter what people say about how badly you messed up your life. It isn't their business -- it's your life to ruin, man! Good for you.

specially nice 5 figure ones:thumbsup:thumbsup

uh oh, when carzy people call you crazy then it's reality check time.

ok, 10 fingers, 10 toes... sitting in my underwear at noon at home... hummm maybe..... naaaa



is mark innocent, fuck no. we all know that. but it's business, some win, some loose. you lost cause you didn't do anything about it. The only damage you'll do to mark is cause some handshake deals to go on paper. woopie......

you're crying over split milk now.

need a tissue?

While I wouldn't mind $38k and think it's a good chunk of money I can see why he might have let it go. Owed money, regardless of amount, can drive one mad. If you don't get paid and told you are going to, you can begin to dwell on it and think of all the "what ifs?" I've had this happen to me on a much smaller amount and am still having trouble letting it go.

The thing is, the person that owed the money doesn't give a shit. So you drive yourself mad thinking about it while the other person is living life like normal. So here you are filing all this court bullshit, consumed with only the possibility of getting your money back when you could be doing more constructive things with the time.

I'm not siding with one or another, I'm just talking about the stance on money owed and that it can suck either way you go.

And Sleazy is very right about Canadian companies. You don't fuck over employees in Canada, they always get their money.

You should pull out your dictionary.com links and check out 'loose'.

Anyhow, you keep talking as if he expects to be paid when that was never the case. He had shit talked to him by Mark and decided to make a post, he's not expecting money and you are the only one that came to that conclusion. He's also not crying.

he is just a motherfucking asshole. :2 cents: :thumbsup
confirmed from several sources. :thumbsup

counting fingers and toes again.... yep - all there.... I really need to get dressed though... doing smell test, yep - shower time....

smoke = fire.

sleazy man, if the guy wants to pursue it then let him pursue it, its got nothing to do with you. just let him try and get back his money.

yes take biz advice from someone who drove their life and business into bankruptcy.

That'll work for me.


:2 cents::2 cents:

If he wasn't a scumbag (and perhaps not a scammer), then he'd make the $10,000 donation to a charity of my choice. It's not even like I'M trying to get money for ME -- it's silly to even imply that at this point.


Wise words, Kristin!

I should have added that to the poll. Ah, hindsight.


I don't think he's capable of reason, but it's definitely an entertaining train wreck, so I say let it continue. :1orglaugh


Scary thought, eh? :2 cents:

you're right never take advise from

Henry Ford
Abraham Lincoln
Donald Trump
Walt Disney
H.J. Heinz
Larry King
Ulysses S. Grant
P.T. Barnum
Buffalo Bill
Jerry Lee Lewis
Milton Hershey




idiot :2 cents:

Interesting stories. Both times you continued to do the job in advance, relying only on verbal assurances that you were going to get paid.

That's bad idea. Never work for free.

Late payment? No problem, i will resume the work when you're good to pay.


Fool me once.... sham on... you.
Fool me..... you can't get fooled again.

I never took your "idiot" name calling to heart. Coming from the biggest idiot around, it doesn't hold much weight.

:2 cents: :thumbsup :thumbsup

You keep talkin to yourself buddy.

size vs quality :thumbsup

Whatever that means. :1orglaugh

and you are in the same league? nigga please.

The idiot is big in this one? lol

Clearly, your name belongs shoulder-height with those giants. Nay, perhaps head and shoulders above them! I have admired you, sir, since we learned about you in 8th grade history.


Very true, but I always try to do the right thing because "shit happens" and I understand that. It's burned me three or four times over 15 years, so I guess it's a ratio I'm willing to accept.


It likely means that more than a few women have assured him that "size doesn't matter," and "it's not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean."

He's always good for a few laughs.

Post pics or it's not true :pimp

Oh, and I caught the Bush reference. I meant to quote and say: :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't have a lens capable of capturing such small objects with any sort of fidelity, unfortunately.

Allow me to contribute to the firmness of your penis, then, good sir, with these vintage items:

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/skchex.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Do I see a six figure post in the future?

What have i learned from this thread:

- sleazy is indeed mentally retarded
- always get part of your payment upfront

And it reminded me of something i have to do, brb.

Never cracked a 6-figure check, unfortunately, even in the "glory days" ... problem for me was that I was doing it part-time from 1996 to about 2000, so I missed out on concentrating the weight of my efforts back when people actually spent money. Biggest check wasn't MUCH bigger than the $25k check.

did you ever finish the project you were working on?

So let me see if I understand correctly, do I have all my facts straight?

- An Irishman goes into the confessional box after years of being away from the Church
- The Irishman is amazed to find a fully equipped bar with Guinness on tap
- The Irishman notices on the other wall is a dazzling array of the finest cigars and chocolates in the world
- The Irishman learns that it is only the priest who get's to indulge in drinking, smoking and pedophilia.

Did I miss anything?

I don't remember any projects that went unfinished. Which one are you talking about, specifically? I completed recent-ish "public" projects such as:

Feed Pushers -- Original RSS Morphing Feed Solution, for which I now refer people to the capable hands of CyberXXX.

Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone Edition -- The autoblogging sensation that sold like gangbusters. Chio bounced a check to me, stole the money and ran, just like he subsequently did on Bliggo, and then on Verified Charge.

Adult Empire Builder -- A self-populating organic network builder that scaled out galleries, TGPs, AVS sites, fake forums, real forums, fake password honeypots, tube sites, etc. In private "sole" license status since 2007 or 2008, which expires close to the end of 2011.

Was it any of those, or do I need to think further?

Seems pretty accurate.

Oh, wait, no. Then we find out that the booze, cigars, chocolates, and mistresses were paid for by stiffing employees on their wages.

Damn, you were the guy I needed to bounce some ideas off of several years back. Now they've all been done or passed their expiration dates. :1orglaugh

Cock tease :conehead

Well, GFY ideas are usually like assholes: everyone has one, and most of them stink.

My most recent project was building a framework for car dealerships to post to online auction sites, Craigslist, etc, as well as handle customer management, service, print window stickers, and assign lead follow-up.

About a year ago, I took on a long-term client and promised them two years of dedicated work without major distraction, so I've been isolating my projects to just that endeavor as per my commitment. I plan to stay with them much longer than two years (they've been very great to work with, and we're doing interesting things), but once I can have outside commitments, I have several projects which will likely launch with "brand managers" to handle the customer side of the house. I'm not a huge fan of interfacing with the public. :winkwink: