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stocktrader23 11-09-2011 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547547)
response that big... yep.. nailed it :thumbsup

For a good while you were able to pass off your idiotic behavior as trolling. I laughed for days when I found out that you had been completely exposed as the moronic asshole you really are and that not a single person buys into your "online persona" anymore.

Don't worry, if you ever have an epiphany and stop being an epic asshole I'll talk to you as if none of it ever happened. Until then, enjoy reaping what you've sown. :thumbsup

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18547565)
Actually...he did. :1orglaugh

awe, you were called an idiot too more then once.... does this make it feel better?

want me to rub your belly too?

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 18547562)
Mark has always been scum. He and his bros are very noisy but fortunately that makes them easy to spot too. One is chirping away in this thread. Can you find him? I bet you can.

Wait, wait. Three guesses, and the first two don't count. Can you tell me if I'm getting warm?


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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18547558)
There's something fishy about the options on that poll...where's Ron Paul?

I think the options are very fair! You can choose if he's an outright scammer, or if he's just a scumbag. I don't think there's another way to describe him, but if you'd care to proffer one up, we can accept write-in answers. :winkwink:

seeandsee 11-09-2011 10:53 AM

and i was thinking dramas are over, its cold, people buying porn, everybody happy

cykoe6 11-09-2011 10:55 AM

Search GFY for "Auto Blogger Pro" and many of your questions will be answered.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18547578)
Search GFY for "Auto Blogger Pro" and many of your questions will be answered.

I think more questions will be raised. Specifically, questions like:

Why did Chio disappear with my money on Autoblogger, instead of splitting it with me as agreed? Why did he disappear with more people's money with Bliggo? Why did he then disappear with everyone else's money with Verified Charge? Any why did his coder from the UK he always spoke so highly of come on GFY looking for him (and his money)? Any why did Chio's sinking ship take down the reputation of a really nice guy like Jace?

CyberHustler 11-09-2011 11:01 AM

When did 30k become a "small" amount though? Would you be willing to just give me 30k with no string attached to prove 30k ain't shit to you?

wehateporn 11-09-2011 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547570)
I think the options are very fair! You can choose if he's an outright scammer, or if he's just a scumbag. I don't think there's another way to describe him, but if you'd care to proffer one up, we can accept write-in answers. :winkwink:

I hope that both parties can reach a mutually acceptable, fair and amicable arrangement, either that or the cage would be interesting :winkwink:

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 18547584)
When did 30k become a "small" amount though? Would you be willing to just give me 30k with no string attached to prove 30k ain't shit to you?

It's not that $38k isn't shit, it's that the cost to fight for it in court would well exceed the amount, which no guarantee that you'd recoup it. If you aren't talking about six figured, I personally believe that court is an inappropriate venue. More likely, public shaming to help other people avoid the person is a better route.

Any why would anyone in their right mind need to "prove" that any amount "ain't shit" to them? I'm not a wealthy man by ANY means. Aside from my exotics (of which only the Viper was paid off), what do I have that's even valuable? My collection of used Yankees tickets? My needlessly fancy chef's knives? My star wars figures, out of the box so I can play with them? LOL.

I never really "got" the trying to look like a "baller" on GFY thing. In real life, it's a good way to get robbed. On here, it's an easy way to spot someone who's never had the finer things in life -- so when they experience it, they run to GFY with pictures and stories of how "rich" they are.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 18547587)
I hope that both parties can reach a mutually acceptable, fair and amicable arrangement, either that or the cage would be interesting :winkwink:

I think the cage would be a pretty fun, and profitable. I'd be willing to go easy on him, too, and not worry about weight classes.

And I'll still settle for $10k, which can be donated to a charity of my choice.

BlackCrayon 11-09-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547487)
I'm not ballin' by any stretch of the imagination. I just moved into a very modest house that I *RENT*, not own, I drive mostly modest cars, and I have a very modest-sized penis. $38k is a fair sum of money, but it's not going to make or break most people. It's the principle of letting people get away with crap like this.

a note for you, it would break the average american.

DarkJedi 11-09-2011 11:12 AM

let's hear the story about Playboy owing you 60k

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 18547602)
a note for you, it would break the average american.

Sure, agreed. I guess I should clarify: would it break most of us who are actually making money from this industry, and not just the $100/week affiliate checks guys (who I have much love for, no disrespect intended)?

Seriously, if $38k breaks your finances, then you probably need a cheaper car, a cheaper house, or a cheaper lifestyle. At least eight months of cushion should be in the bank for emergencies, etc. Figuring an average $150,000 salary (with program owners being higher, and your average designer, etc, being lower), that's $100,000 cushion money, of which $38k only represents a 38% hit to your stash.

It'd be silly to take another $50k (50% of your stash, totally 88% now) to fight for that $38k, in my opinion. But maybe that's just me. Aside from my cars (which is an addiction I have to start fighting), I'm fairly conservative with my money.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547589)
It's not that $38k isn't shit, it's that the cost to fight for it in court would well exceed the amount, which no guarantee that you'd recoup it. If you aren't talking about six figured, I personally believe that court is an inappropriate venue. More likely, public shaming to help other people avoid the person is a better route.

Any why would anyone in their right mind need to "prove" that any amount "ain't shit" to them? I'm not a wealthy man by ANY means. Aside from my exotics (of which only the Viper was paid off), what do I have that's even valuable? My collection of used Yankees tickets? My needlessly fancy chef's knives? My star wars figures, out of the box so I can play with them? LOL.

I never really "got" the trying to look like a "baller" on GFY thing. In real life, it's a good way to get robbed. On here, it's an easy way to spot someone who's never had the finer things in life -- so when they experience it, they run to GFY with pictures and stories of how "rich" they are.

court isn't an option anymore if it's 4 years... and the limit is $25,000 for small claims in ontario... not all, but most of it. no lawyer

now he's just in a 'he said she said' kind of argument, and he didn't sue or go to any gov't agency in the proper time frames........ sure he has papers, but he did nothing with them. They mean nothing now. That falls on him.

he might as well be posting I coulda woulda shoulda done something... but he DIDN'T.


I'm not saying mark was innocent, but he is NOW cause he didn't do anything in the proper time frames.

time to suck it up and move on. Take it as a lesson where you learned not to do that again, and what to do if it does happen in the right time frames.


imagine just how powerful his case would be if he had a legal judgement against mark..... now, with mark saying talk to my lawyer, and him not doing that... he looks like the bad guy. not saying he is, just how it looks..... think about it.

stocktrader23 11-09-2011 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547628)


I'm not saying mark was innocent, but he is NOW cause he didn't do anything in the proper time frames.

time to suck it up and move on. Take it as a lesson where you learned not to do that again, and what to do if it does happen in the right time frames.


Or he could post here and let everyone know what they are dealing with.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkJedi (Post 18547616)
let's hear the story about Playboy owing you 60k

It's a pretty boring one, and I don't want to distract from the thread, but they did a contract extension with me through the required written notification, then changed their minds and backed out, never paying a dime. I geared up to service the contract, and I paid my vendors regardless of Playboy's decisions. No one got screwed on my end, I made sure of it.

From the beginning of the negotiation with Lensman, it was supposed to be $5k/month plus $5k/mo in advertising on GFY. That extra $5k never made it into the final deal, and when they agreed to the year extension (after doing a 9-month extension previously, which they paid), I had no reason to doubt them. Then a VP came waddling in and blathered on about not renewing, not paying for the months I provided service without a contract, etc.

They paid late a lot of the time anyway. But it was neat seeing a Heffner's signature on the checks:

http://www.edgeprod.com/dom/pb-check.jpg

Anyway, water under the bridge. They were in a very bad financial situation, and I had/have friends there, so I accepted a private apology and wrote it off as bad debt. At least they acknowledged it, apologized for it, and have said good things to new clients on my behalf. GTS, on the other hand ... is another story.

FreeHugeMovies 11-09-2011 11:21 AM

"time to suck it up and move on." over 38k? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!!!??

One of the dumbest comments of all time.

IllTestYourGirls 11-09-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547623)
Sure, agreed. I guess I should clarify: would it break most of us who are actually making money from this industry, and not just the $100/week affiliate checks guys (who I have much love for, no disrespect intended)?

Seriously, if $38k breaks your finances, then you probably need a cheaper car, a cheaper house, or a cheaper lifestyle. At least eight months of cushion should be in the bank for emergencies, etc. Figuring an average $150,000 salary (with program owners being higher, and your average designer, etc, being lower), that's $100,000 cushion money, of which $38k only represents a 38% hit to your stash.

It'd be silly to take another $50k (50% of your stash, totally 88% now) to fight for that $38k, in my opinion. But maybe that's just me. Aside from my cars (which is an addiction I have to start fighting), I'm fairly conservative with my money.

I hope you get your money.

But FYI the media income in the US is $39k and change.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547638)
Or he could post here and let everyone know what they are dealing with.

ummm, i'm thinking without a judgement when it's clear from what he's saying that he would have got one, he looks like a disgruntled fired employee.

his whole story doesn't add up without the judgement. just saying....

forget mark for a second, would you hire him? blah blah blah,,,seriously.. think about it. if something goes wrong, he explodes.

would you work with mark? you can say No no no but if mark has something you can buy that's profitable for you, then all this thread makes you do is make sure you dot your 'i's and cross your 't's when dealing with mark, which you should do anyway with everyone. Worst thing it does to mark is end a couple handshake deals and force him to put them in paper.

end of this thread - winner mark. sad but true

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 18547661)
I hope you get your money.

But FYI the media income in the US is $39k and change.

I was looking at the successful segment of our sector, not the working U.S.


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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547662)
ummm, i'm thinking without a judgement when it's clear from what he's saying that he would have got one, he looks like a disgruntled fired employee.

I was never fired. I left the company after my fourth month of unpaid work.


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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547662)
forget mark for a second, would you hire him? blah blah blah,,,seriously.. think about it. if something goes wrong, he explodes.

If allowing four years for a debt to be paid, and then finally making a thread is "exploding" to you, then I'd hate to see your reactions to actual blow-ups.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 18547645)
"time to suck it up and move on." over 38k? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!!!??

One of the dumbest comments of all time.

dude, time frames.... if you don't file for justice within those, you suck it up and move on and stop crying.

stating otherwise is, well..... think about it.



I could have fucked that girl if only I had.... wa wa wa
I could have won that fight if only I had... wa wa wa
I could have got that money if only I had... wa wa wa

Fletch XXX 11-09-2011 11:31 AM

i heart threads with images of checks.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:31 AM

Sleazy is bizarre and actually a little bit scary, but you have to admit, he provides good entertainment! Glad you're here, stick around no matter what people say about how badly you messed up your life. It isn't their business -- it's your life to ruin, man! Good for you.

JFK 11-09-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 18547681)
i heart threads with images of checks.

specially nice 5 figure ones:thumbsup:thumbsup

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547686)
Sleazy is bizarre and actually a little bit scary, but you have to admit, he provides good entertainment! Glad you're here, stick around no matter what people say about how badly you messed up your life. It isn't their business -- it's your life to ruin, man! Good for you.


uh oh, when carzy people call you crazy then it's reality check time.

ok, 10 fingers, 10 toes... sitting in my underwear at noon at home... hummm maybe..... naaaa



is mark innocent, fuck no. we all know that. but it's business, some win, some loose. you lost cause you didn't do anything about it. The only damage you'll do to mark is cause some handshake deals to go on paper. woopie......

you're crying over split milk now.

need a tissue?

kristin 11-09-2011 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FreeHugeMovies (Post 18547645)
"time to suck it up and move on." over 38k? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!!!??

One of the dumbest comments of all time.

While I wouldn't mind $38k and think it's a good chunk of money I can see why he might have let it go. Owed money, regardless of amount, can drive one mad. If you don't get paid and told you are going to, you can begin to dwell on it and think of all the "what ifs?" I've had this happen to me on a much smaller amount and am still having trouble letting it go.

The thing is, the person that owed the money doesn't give a shit. So you drive yourself mad thinking about it while the other person is living life like normal. So here you are filing all this court bullshit, consumed with only the possibility of getting your money back when you could be doing more constructive things with the time.

I'm not siding with one or another, I'm just talking about the stance on money owed and that it can suck either way you go.

And Sleazy is very right about Canadian companies. You don't fuck over employees in Canada, they always get their money.

stocktrader23 11-09-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547702)
uh oh, when carzy people call you crazy then it's reality check time.

ok, 10 fingers, 10 toes... sitting in my underwear at noon at home... hummm maybe..... naaaa



is mark innocent, fuck no. we all know that. but it's business, some win, some loose. you lost cause you didn't do anything about it. The only damage you'll do to mark is cause some handshake deals to go on paper. woopie......

you're crying over split milk now.

need a tissue?

You should pull out your dictionary.com links and check out 'loose'.

Anyhow, you keep talking as if he expects to be paid when that was never the case. He had shit talked to him by Mark and decided to make a post, he's not expecting money and you are the only one that came to that conclusion. He's also not crying.

Matyko 11-09-2011 11:45 AM

he is just a motherfucking asshole. :2 cents: :thumbsup
confirmed from several sources. :thumbsup

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547714)
You should pull out your dictionary.com links and check out 'loose'.

Anyhow, you keep talking as if he expects to be paid when that was never the case. He had shit talked to him by Mark and decided to make a post, he's not expecting money and you are the only one that came to that conclusion. He's also not crying.

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Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 18547594)
I think the cage would be a pretty fun, and profitable. I'd be willing to go easy on him, too, and not worry about weight classes.

And I'll still settle for $10k, which can be donated to a charity of my choice.


counting fingers and toes again.... yep - all there.... I really need to get dressed though... doing smell test, yep - shower time....

porno jew 11-09-2011 11:47 AM

smoke = fire.

scottybuzz 11-09-2011 11:48 AM

sleazy man, if the guy wants to pursue it then let him pursue it, its got nothing to do with you. just let him try and get back his money.

porno jew 11-09-2011 11:50 AM

yes take biz advice from someone who drove their life and business into bankruptcy.

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547702)
is mark innocent, fuck no. we all know that. but it's business, some win, some loose. you lost cause you didn't do anything about it. The only damage you'll do to mark is cause some handshake deals to go on paper.

That'll work for me.


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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18547714)
Anyhow, you keep talking as if he expects to be paid when that was never the case. He had shit talked to him by Mark and decided to make a post, he's not expecting money and you are the only one that came to that conclusion. He's also not crying.

:2 cents::2 cents:

If he wasn't a scumbag (and perhaps not a scammer), then he'd make the $10,000 donation to a charity of my choice. It's not even like I'M trying to get money for ME -- it's silly to even imply that at this point.


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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 18547705)
While I wouldn't mind $38k and think it's a good chunk of money I can see why he might have let it go. Owed money, regardless of amount, can drive one mad. If you don't get paid and told you are going to, you can begin to dwell on it and think of all the "what ifs?" I've had this happen to me on a much smaller amount and am still having trouble letting it go.

Wise words, Kristin!

edgeprod 11-09-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 18547732)
he is just a motherfucking asshole. :2 cents: :thumbsup
confirmed from several sources. :thumbsup

I should have added that to the poll. Ah, hindsight.


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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18547748)
sleazy man, if the guy wants to pursue it then let him pursue it, its got nothing to do with you. just let him try and get back his money.

I don't think he's capable of reason, but it's definitely an entertaining train wreck, so I say let it continue. :1orglaugh


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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18547752)
yes take biz advice from someone who drove their life and business into bankruptcy.

Scary thought, eh? :2 cents:

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18547752)
yes take biz advice from someone who drove their life and business into bankruptcy.

you're right never take advise from

Henry Ford
Abraham Lincoln
Donald Trump
Walt Disney
H.J. Heinz
Larry King
Ulysses S. Grant
P.T. Barnum
Buffalo Bill
Jerry Lee Lewis
Milton Hershey




idiot :2 cents:

DarkJedi 11-09-2011 11:57 AM

Interesting stories. Both times you continued to do the job in advance, relying only on verbal assurances that you were going to get paid.

That's bad idea. Never work for free.

Late payment? No problem, i will resume the work when you're good to pay.


Fool me once.... sham on... you.
Fool me..... you can't get fooled again.

candyflip 11-09-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 18547568)
awe, you were called an idiot too more then once.... does this make it feel better?

want me to rub your belly too?

I never took your "idiot" name calling to heart. Coming from the biggest idiot around, it doesn't hold much weight.

Matyko 11-09-2011 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18547454)
been a while since we had some proper drama, lets see how this works out :)

:2 cents: :thumbsup :thumbsup

Sid70 11-09-2011 12:00 PM

You keep talkin to yourself buddy.

SleazyDream 11-09-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 18547778)
I never took your "idiot" name calling to heart. Coming from the biggest idiot around, it doesn't hold much weight.

size vs quality :thumbsup


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