I'm confused as to what the issue is? Polls are not meant to shape the views of others but rather measure them.

Is your problem that you don't think MSNBC is being fair to Mr. Paul? What would you suggest happen? Maybe the government steps in and legislates the media so they have to be "fair"? Isn't there something in your beloved constitution about allowing the media to be free?

Yes true, and I would not put it past them at all, however then it requires letting people in on it and then leaks can occur. The manufactured consent paradigm is more subtle than that. This poll was the official declaration of the winner as far as I know. As I said I just saw the zerohedge article I am not sure. I dont give a shit either specifically as you do. What I do give a shit about is the media manipulating public opinion to generate an outcome vis a vis Chomsky's premise which is why as I said I was irritated with your comment because I like him as you do. I am not a right winger, I just dont like manipulation of the population to achieve a desired result. We are probably not so far apart on issues as you might think, you should give Ron Paul a second look. If you hate him after that look then thats perfectly fine with me but as YOU said- dont let anyone tell you how to think... yanking a poll because it does not give you the result you want is de facto TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO THINK, you should be on my side if you really are as independent as you claim.

Well you are a canadian so your opinion on this really doesnt matter anyway LOL, but for clarity's sake, can you be specific? What things?

That worst case scenario can still result in quite a few absolute nightmares for quite a few people. I think we can do better than that.

If your argument were in a void, i could almost get in that car with you, but it's on ron paul road, which unfortunately for us, leads to coat hanger lane.

:thumbsup

Don't blame others for having higher standards than you. :2 cents:

Who are you referring to exactly? Do you mean me?? And if you are then how exactly is being a watchdog of the media whining exactly?? Defending free speech is pathetic in your book? Ok, I see where you stand LOL

Stop trying to tell me what to think, I thought you were against that sort of thing.


I don't support Ron Paul because I don't think there should even be a US President, nor US Federal government. And I'm not going to support that horseshit circus in any way shape or form.

You know. Just kinda like how Noam Chomsky sees it.

Watch Dog of the Media? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Defending Free Speech? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No one cares about obscure online polls. This thread is nothing more than a whine-fest.

Here, let me translate that for you... you dont have the intellectual capacity to debate me and you know you are full of shit so you will just throw out some non response and hope nobody notices. There, fixed that for you. Next-

Yeah, whatever you need to believe. I know more about the issue of abortion than probably everyone else in this thread combined.

If you really want to know what I think and why I think it, I agree with what Poindexterity said as well as almost every website you can find on the topic of Ron Paul and his asstard "states rights" opinions.

I've debated people with much better points to make than you made, so been there, done that, don't feel like going back.

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50 Yawn Pauls.

Thanks for defending our free speech to win online polls then complain after they get deleted.

Without Media Watch-Dogs like yourself...

No.. I can't even pretend that anyone gives a shit.
BooHoo Poor Downtrodden Ron Paul. Constantly in the media but some how there's a media blackout on him.

Like I said, Go cry into your pillow

So none of the other candidates followers have an internet connection?

Can I ask you... have you ever done anything to protect a woman's right to choose? I mean specifically. Not just posting on an internet forum I mean. Cause I have. I did fundraising for a year for Planned Parenthood and NARAL (thats National Abortion Rights Action League if you did not know) and I can tell you thats a red herring. i can tell by your tone you genuinely believe it and it's not some snarky bs comment so I dont say it to flame you but IMO you are very much mistaken. Let's be honest- if that highly unlikely scenario happened NARAL would love it, it would boost their fundraising dramatically. They would have no problems financially (even now) setting up chartered busses to go over the border to a neighboring state.

I hate to break it to you but even if you are super pro-choice that issue is very far down the list. The US is on the precipice of completely imploding economically and Dr. Paul is the only one who would genuinely do something about it. You dont seriously believe Obama gives a shit about the 99% and all the other Republicans are fascists (as is Obama actually, just different flavor of it). If you want to really understand the economic storm that is coming try reading www.zerohedge.com - the amount of toxic assets the banks are carrying on their balance sheets are HUNDREDS of Trillions. Bank of America just shifted those toxic assets to the FDIC insured side... meaning when they go belly up all BofA account holders get shafted. If you think Obama gives a shit you are delusional seriously. Thats what you should be worried about, not some theoretical paranoid scenario that is not even likely to happen.

Paultards? lol, you sound like such a fucking idiot.

Yeah, too bad they have more important shit to do than vote in meaningless online polls. They probably have jobs and kids and lives and shit.

lol i kno rite, such a fucking idiot.

Your question seems sincere more or less so I wont attack you, however my initial thought was that if you really believe that, you should turn off your computer, and go blow your brains out because you are too stupid to exist. Just a thought, I dont really want you to do it, just saying it kind of flashed in my mind for a sec, I prolly should filter those things out from my comments, no offense meant. LOL In any event, you seriously have a naive, childlike view of the world. And no, the government should not shut down MSNBC, that would as you say be a constitutional violation clearly. But that does not mean I cant draw attention to their manipulation of the dumbed down masses like yourself.

I think the problem with most idiotic Americans is that they see things like the presidential race as a popularity contest.

Yes, we know Ron Paul is old and wrinkly and he has weird eyebrows and his suits don't fit, but guess what? All of that shit is completely IRRELEVANT.

If you actually listen to what the man has been saying for the last 20 YEARS you would realize he is one of the few politicians actually looking out for us, the people. Go read his books and learn something. Bagging on Ron Paul is like bagging on liberty, freedom and everything good that this country stands for. People who trash Ron Paul should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

Stop focusing on the fucking messenger, it's about the MESSAGE!

Yes, exactly, a fucking idiot you are indeed.

wow, are YOU a douchebag or WHAT?!

you're SERIOUSLY doing the "respond to a male with logic and shit, but talk shit to females" bit? I spose that fits in with placing women's rights as a secondary concern that aint really a big deal, cause someone (?) will pick up the slack for em.

THEN there's the internet stereotype of "You disagree with me, so you must like X politician i don't like" In my day, ive been accused of loving villains such as bush, reagan, cheney, obama, clinton, and the like, by villains such as yourself who lack the balls to take a look in the fucking mirror and see that maybe, just MAYBE some part of themselves contributes to what they claim to hate about the world.

I'm DONE with you fuckstick, and not some internet done like you do where i come back and keep talking later on. I mean like you get the last ignorant brainwashed word, done.

Spoken like a true Paultard. Bravo

Had you said that initially I would not have even taken issue with you. Thats the only thing that you have said that makes sense. Why not say that to begin with instead of all that paultard garbage, it makes you sound like an imbecile.

OK, not yawning anymore. :1orglaugh

I call Obvious Paultards, Paultards. Haven't you caught on to that yet?

Of course you haven't, You Paultards are dense as fuck.

It doesn't play into the whole "we're the underdog and everyone is against us" mentality they've built up... Like how Ron Paul complained after the CNN debate about not getting equal time and not getting a closing statement... Which of course was completely false given he got pretty much equal time except for the Perry/Romney sparring.. and there were no official closing statements which he agreed to before the debate even began... Ron Paul is no different than any other politician out there but he knows how to really work his followers. How long has he been a politician? 30 years? Why would anyone think he wasn't just a politician like any other.

Really? Care to explain to everyone how Ron Paul could do anything about it? What laws is he going to pass etc?

Really?? LOL... his policies/theories are all about being pro big business, everyone for themselves and isolate the US from the rest of the world... Yeah... He's going to look out for the people.. Seriously... :1orglaugh

Yeah, I could say the same for you. You say you have debated it but I did not hear you say you actually got up off your fat lazy ass to do anything about it. I have. I did pro choice fundraising for a year so you can fuck off with that shit nitwit lol

http://www.ipetitions.com/

Here. go start an online petition!

Let CNBC know that YOU MEAN FUCKING BUSINESS.

Then sit back in awe at how much they don't give a fuck.

whatever gets you through the night lol

I see your 50 yawns, and raise you 50

The corporations & wealthy would fucking rule the US even more with Ron Paul in charge...

You know, that's like the 4th or 5th time in this thread that you have said you "don't give a fuck" about this and yet you have posted 10 times in this thread, far more than any other person except me. Seems you do give a fuck after all, so the question is why? What motive do you have to post in a thread so much that you claim you don't care about? Your actions belie your words. Methinks thou doth protest too much-

You know man, I noticed on another thread the other day where we both posted and we agreed there as well that you said in 10 words what it took me 100 to say. You have a great way of cutting through all the bs to get to the heart of the matter. :thumbsup

unlike you who claims again and again how meaningless this poll is and how you dont give a fuck, yet have spent all day on this thread LOL - I guess that means you have no life and nothing more important to do by your own standards haha