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Supz 11-17-2011 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chaze (Post 18562737)
Not true again, it is not more reliable it is supposed to be faster by being accessed in more locations. Do your home work before correcting people that know more then you.

Why do you only have two name servers? Try better dns like at least three in different global positions then ditch the cloud hype. It's a just a cheesy sales pitch and at this point more harm then good.

Unless you think you can run a network better then Amazon?

The main reason is several additional points of failure. More load, more hardware, all for what faster loading speeds? I will put our premium bandwidth against any cloud any day and be much faster most of the time.

BTW:

http://www.webslug.info/index/results

Winner
dwhs.net was faster by 2.8 seconds. It has won 100% of all encounters.

Average time to load over 8 tests was 0.6s
GALAXYVISIONS.COM

But your still faster then hostgator and dreamhosts sluggish network if that makes you feel better.

http://dwhs.net/
loaded in:
0.59s
Address:
http://dreamhost.com/
loaded in:
7.13s


Dreamhost is a nightmare and hostgator is about the same. Really worth saving a cup of coffee a month over people? Sorry for the rant but you have to wonder why people ruin business opportunities over a couple bucks.

You are like 3 years behind on technology my friend. You have no idea how Cloud is created, nor do you know what the technology consits of. And yes. I can build the same Cloud that Amazon has if I had there money. But I don't. I know more about cloud and virtualizaton in my left hand, then you know about hosting in general. You are making yourself look like a fool for anyone who knows about this technology, and you are supposed to be a hosting company. Not saying your shared accounts are not good. But you obviously do not host large enterprise customers.

I am certified in both VMware and Citrix. If you want me to scan my certificates for you, let me know. So I have done my homework. I have sold and built my share of private clouds to many private companies.

You truely have no idea what Cloud hosting is.

Here are some reason why people go virtual
-Less Power Consumption - usually around a 10 or 15 to 1 ration of physical server to virtual server
-Ease of management - creating a virtual server with Windows 2008 R2 takes about an hour from start to finish to roll out a new server. Good luck ordering new hardware, building it, installing the OS and having it online in less then 3 days if you dont have a spare server in stock
-High availability - Using VMware, you can use VMotion, DRS and HA to ensure if one physical host fails, the virtual servers will move to the other physical host automatically.
-Less switching infranstructure - You can also use virtual nic's with VMware and you can do inter VLan routing and switch management with the Cisco v1000 virtual switch on top of VMware
- Maximize hardware - If you take the average server, they usually use 10-15% of there resources (this is fact, look it up), which means you are paying for 85-90% of a server you will never use. This is a waste of money

This is just off the top of my head. I can go on. But again, you have no idea what Cloud is used for or what its made of.

nextri 11-17-2011 06:25 PM

Cloud hosting is when you use a server provider who has their servers in a blimp that floats in the clouds.

Supz 11-17-2011 06:31 PM

Lets go Tim Tebow

SZNY 11-17-2011 07:02 PM

Clouds are cool and misunderstood. Why you want to babysit a battery of servers while everything can be in a cloud? I'm not talking about storage but also running PaaS (Platform as a Service).

I personally believe this is the future

Supz 11-17-2011 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18567694)
Clouds are cool and misunderstood. Why you want to babysit a battery of servers while everything can be in a cloud? I'm not talking about storage but also running PaaS (Platform as a Service).

I personally believe this is the future

It is not the future, it is now. Virtual Desktops is the future. Server virtualization is a standard in corporate data centers for atleast the last 2-3 years. It is just coming into the hosting game recently. But for companies who use a good amount of servers, it is the way to go.

SZNY 11-17-2011 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18567713)
It is not the future, it is now. Virtual Desktops is the future. Server virtualization is a standard in corporate data centers for atleast the last 2-3 years. It is just coming into the hosting game recently. But for companies who use a good amount of servers, it is the way to go.

I know! Just talking from my perspective, developing/deploying apps without babysitting and worry about servers and reachability, cloud storage and paas cloud is really cool.

From a consumers perspective Virtual Desktops is for sure the future thing. It would be nice to have the same desktop on your tablet/PC/TV including your working environment.

Supz 11-17-2011 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18567735)
I know! Just talking from my perspective, developing/deploying apps without babysitting and worry about servers and reachability, cloud storage and paas cloud is really cool.

From a consumers perspective Virtual Desktops is for sure the future thing. It would be nice to have the same desktop on your tablet/PC/TV including your working environment.

Yea. One thing I agree with some of what the other people have said here, is that some cloud services are not stable. Amazon for one has had there issues with downtown. I do not know exactly what has caused it, but I do believe it is because they are not replicating to other locations and there was a datacenter failure. I am not exactly sure. But things such has Hosted Exchange are getting questioned a lot, from many companies I know that have been using there own Exchange/BES servers. And most are pretty stables, Rackspace, App River. Microsoft 365 is going to be huge right now. Salesforce.com is huge. Best contact management system around. all hosted solutions, or Cloud, or Software as a Service, you choose the name. VIrtual Desktop has gotten a lot of attention in the last couple of years. But very costly for a Small to Medium size business. The outlay for hardware, software and setup is very high upfront costs. With not enough ROI to make a huge difference. Much better for bigger corps. People with huge call centers. So people are going for small monthly payments, even though the end result is a higher cost. But same desktop anywhere on any computer, tablet etc. Its awesome.

I use Citrix XenApp on my iPad. All my work software and drive shares are there. I can work the same form any PC. Its not a true desktop. But gets the job done.

Fletch XXX 11-17-2011 08:09 PM

have been doing cloud hosting banners, cant wait to do stratosphere ads! yes!

chaze 11-17-2011 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18567713)
It is not the future, it is now. Virtual Desktops is the future. Server virtualization is a standard in corporate data centers for atleast the last 2-3 years. It is just coming into the hosting game recently. But for companies who use a good amount of servers, it is the way to go.

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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18567735)
I know! Just talking from my perspective, developing/deploying apps without babysitting and worry about servers and reachability, cloud storage and paas cloud is really cool.

From a consumers perspective Virtual Desktops is for sure the future thing. It would be nice to have the same desktop on your tablet/PC/TV including your working environment.

You guys are nuts, virtual desktops are not the future. People will not trust their private data to a company. I think your living in the clouds.

The future is nano technology. Meaning computers the size of a business card that will project the interactive screen and keyboard. AND sorry but the data will still be saved within the unit.

Lets hands in the cookie jar always means more cookies. Things will simplify not expand. That is the future.

Rochard 11-17-2011 09:50 PM

I had sex on a cloud once.

SZNY 11-18-2011 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chaze (Post 18567909)
You guys are nuts, virtual desktops are not the future. People will not trust their private data to a company. I think your living in the clouds.

The future is nano technology. Meaning computers the size of a business card that will project the interactive screen and keyboard. AND sorry but the data will still be saved within the unit.

Lets hands in the cookie jar always means more cookies. Things will simplify not expand. That is the future.

How many people are using Dropbox, public mailservers, etcetera? People are already trusting their private data to companies.

Till now I only know nano tech from the big movies. For sure it can be used in various ways for consumer and business applications.

chaze 11-18-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18568242)
How many people are using Dropbox, public mailservers, etcetera? People are already trusting their private data to companies.

Till now I only know nano tech from the big movies. For sure it can be used in various ways for consumer and business applications.

It might last for a little but it's only a couple inevitable hacks away from shutting down. Kind of like the sidekick but much worse.

Supz 11-18-2011 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaze (Post 18567909)
You guys are nuts, virtual desktops are not the future. People will not trust their private data to a company. I think your living in the clouds.

The future is nano technology. Meaning computers the size of a business card that will project the interactive screen and keyboard. AND sorry but the data will still be saved within the unit.

Lets hands in the cookie jar always means more cookies. Things will simplify not expand. That is the future.

Yea. we are nuts. You should go do some research. You are embarrassing yourself. Do you know military and other places of such strict security already use virtual desktops? Virtual desktops will be a trillion dollar industry in the next 2-5 years.

Gartners says it will surpase 65 billion in 2013 alone.

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=920814

Do you even know who Gartners is? You should stop arguing for the state of arguing and go do your research. If you knew how much virtual desktops simplify and are not an expansion, you would know this. In your own sentence you proved yourself wrong. Most people who use Virtual Desktops already are using Wise Terminals for desktop usage, instead of normal sized PC's. Do you know you do not have to have another company involved to have virtual desktops. Most companies do it on there own. I can school you on reasons why this is better as well, but my last virtualization post covered most of it.

Anyway, the facts are above in the Gartner Report. And just so know you, Gartner is the #1 Technology research company in the world, and basically says what is good and what is not.


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