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Sly 11-18-2011 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569503)
My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?
It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...


30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...
Your grandpa busted his ass in a new country, surrounded by people that did not want him, and made a name for himself. That was not fair by any means. I salute him.

What is fair? And when did life ever become fair? Who came up with that silly notion?

The day I stopped begging for life to be fair was the day I became my own person.

cykoe6 11-18-2011 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569620)
your grandfather would be embarrassed by your support of ows.

for every protester begging for a handout, there's someone like your grandfather working his way to the top.

back in 1911 there was no income tax, no unemployment benefits, no welfare, standard oil was a bigger, more powerful monopoly than ANYTHING we have now, the list goes on and on yet you think today's beggars (uh, protesters) have it hard but your grandfather had a fair shake?
wow:1orglaugh

Very well said. :thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam 11-18-2011 01:49 PM
No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the hand that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?

nation-x 11-18-2011 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569620)
your grandfather would be embarrassed by your support of ows.

for every protester begging for a handout, there's someone like your grandfather working his way to the top.

back in 1911 there was no income tax, no unemployment benefits, no welfare, standard oil was a bigger, more powerful monopoly than ANYTHING we have now, the list goes on and on yet you think today's beggars (uh, protesters) have it hard but your grandfather had a fair shake?
wow:1orglaugh
and he didn't have to compete with giant multi-nationals... and saying that Standard Oil was a bigger monopoly that even half of the biggest multi-nationals is ignorant to say the least. In terms of market share... maybe... but it was a very different world then. By todays standards, Standard Oil was a small business. Now they do it with subsidiaries.

12clicks 11-18-2011 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)
No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the mouth that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?
go ask your grandfather.
and please.......stop confusing the bottom .00005% with the actual 99%

12clicks 11-18-2011 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569729)
and he didn't have to compete with giant multi-nationals... and saying that Standard Oil was a bigger monopoly that even half of the biggest multi-nationals is ignorant to say the least. In terms of market share... maybe... but it was a very different world then. By todays standards, Standard Oil was a small business. Now they do it with subsidiaries.
ah yes, the back woods historian explaining the 1910s.

son, you go on believing whatever makes you imagine you're right.:thumbsup

12clicks 11-18-2011 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?
it would appear you believe they're getting it from the money tree in zuccotti park but actually they get it from working a real job.

is your point that the stupid should make as much as the smart?

your grandfather didn't believe that.

12clicks 11-18-2011 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569729)
and he didn't have to compete with giant multi-nationals... and saying that Standard Oil was a bigger monopoly that even half of the biggest multi-nationals is ignorant to say the least. In terms of market share... maybe... but it was a very different world then. By todays standards, Standard Oil was a small business. Now they do it with subsidiaries.
he little boy, read before speaking.
http://www.linfo.org/standardoil.html

"""The saga of Standard Oil ranks as one of the most dramatic episodes in the history of the U.S. economy. It occurred at a time when the country was undergoing its rapid transformation from a mainly agricultural society to the greatest industrial powerhouse the world has ever known. The effects of Standard Oil on the U.S., as well as on much of the rest of the world, were immense, and the lessons that can be learned from this amazing story are possibly as relevant today as they were a century ago.

Standard Oil Company was founded by John D. Rockefeller in Cleveland, Ohio in 1870, and, in just a little over a decade, it had attained control of nearly all the oil refineries in the U.S. This dominance of oil, together with its tentacles entwined deep into the railroads, other industries and even various levels of government, persisted and intensified, despite a growing public outcry and repeated attempts to break it up, until the U.S. Supreme Court was finally able to act decisively in 1911............""""

Sly 11-18-2011 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)
No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the hand that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?
I'm going to guess that they make it while busting their ass, like most of us.

The movement can do whatever it wants. I don't really care. I think a little chaos is good every now and then. I don't think they are going to accomplish much though and demanding "fairness" is just silly. If things did get more "fair", that would require somebody to set the rules to make things "fair." And guess who that somebody would be? The dreaded 1%.

Times are tough for a lot of people, I'm not denying that at all. But if you want to compare tough times today and tough times 100 years ago, I'll take tough times today without thinking twice. Life is good for most people. Making demands without putting forth the sweat just doesn't work.

pornguy 11-18-2011 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18567207)
Dude, I am only playing devil's advocate here.

Change requires a strategy, not a vague group of disenfranchised campers.

I WANT the OWS group to come up with a specific agenda - I really do.

Until then, they will be taken less seriously every day.
that's the thing. There are sooooo many things to change they are trying to shout it all.

Sadly in the end, we keep electing Politicians.

No one goes into politics to help people. they go into it to get paid.

Barry-xlovecam 11-18-2011 02:18 PM
I could give a rat's ass if my grandfather is turning over in his grave ... His time is gone. Again, you miss the point -- I know 79% will never make it -- the other 21% matter to me.

You don't understand, and never will, the symbolism of Zuccotti Park. Most of the people that camped there are the weakest inks in the chain and the first to break.

The 5% you point to as "rabble" will always be there. If they make you feel superior -- compared to them -- I guess you are ...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-18-2011 02:21 PM


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November 17, 2011.

The Occupy movement faces daily violence and eviction notices from state and local authorities across the country. Chicago has been no different, and Occupy Chicago has faced constant opposition from "Mayor 1%" Emanuel and harassment by the CPD. Our message to those who question our ability to persevere is: You can?t evict an idea whose time has come. The Occupation will continue!

The Occupy movement is inciting a conversation about the consolidation of wealth and power in our society, and the stranglehold that the top 1% have over our political system. Americans are seeing the crises of our economy and our democracy as systemic problems that require collective action to remedy. Every day, more and more Americans are identifying as part of the 99%, uniting across social and economic barriers to denounce the abuses of corporate money in politics.

Last week, the Occupy Chicago General Assembly passed a proposal called ?Operation Chicago Spring,? a plan of action for the winter and beyond. The first portion calls for a schedule of daily events, actions, and teach-ins throughout the city and suburbs, with a diverse coalition of allies. The second part is a springtime call to action, asking the nation and the world to stand behind Occupy Chicago on April 7th, for a global day of action in support of our Occupation.

This winter, Occupy Chicago will participate in daily events and actions geared towards building community and solidarity across Chicago and it?s suburbs. We are already coordinating actions with groups as diverse as the Chicago Teachers Union, StandUp! Chicago, the Amalgamated Transit Union, Students Organizing with Labor (SOUL), Workers United, and the Jane Adams Senior Caucus. We will continue to reach out to communities across Chicago, and to coordinate with other Occupations.
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...69707447_n.jpg

No Bull... :)

Funny watching the Slaves of the 1% froth at the mouth when their Masters are under siege. :1orglaugh

ADG

Failed 11-18-2011 06:02 PM
I love the banner for 12clicks, it makes reading the board so much easier. Guy shitting gold coins, skip that post.

Caligari 11-18-2011 06:34 PM
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7096/extinctdino2.jpg

marlboroack 11-18-2011 06:56 PM
LOL, this real?

12clicks 11-19-2011 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Failed (Post 18570370)
I love the banner for 12clicks, it makes reading the board so much easier. Guy shitting gold coins, skip that post.
One of the reasons your position is pretty much fixed where it is on the socioeconomic ladder.
Have a good look around you and get comfortable, you've already plateaued. :thumbsup

Failed 11-19-2011 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18571143)
One of the reasons your position is pretty much fixed where it is on the socioeconomic ladder.
Have a good look around you and get comfortable, you've already plateaued. :thumbsup
I couldn't skip this one, it was at the bottom of the page :1orglaugh

If by skipping your posts I'm stuck where I am in life, that's fine. If for any reason at all I'm stuck where I'm at in life, that's fine. I'm happy. I have a loving family, good friends, and food in the fridge. I even had enough money left this week to donate to the OWS and drop off some essentials, which made me feel even better for doing my tiny part.

Plus, as I stated before, your banner helps me skip almost all your posts, so my level of happiness has increased even further. It's amazing what looking at too much hate filled ignorance and stupidity can do to a person!


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