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Gouge

11-18-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18569064)

i looked there is nothing. you are just lying. fuck off.

nation-x

11-18-2011 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18569056)

Please tell us more of this sad story...

It's simple... you can't match the rhetoric of the Republican Party with it's actions. The majority of the debt is the direct result of Republican spending or tax cuts. Now, they bitch about the debt that they created.

Another example would be the complaints about "ObamaCare" and the individual mandate... a concept that is entirely their creation.

Another example would be the housing crisis where they blame Democrats but are 90% responsible. Newt Gingrich was pushing home ownership for low income minorities for years as a way to bring those voters into the Republican fold... now he claims the opposite.

THAT is what defines the Republican Party... BULLSHIT. They hold responsibility for the majority of the major scandals over the last 40 years... but if you ask any of them about it they will lie about it and claim it was something other than what it was. Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney are not flukes... they are a total reflection of the Republican Party and the conservative movement in general. FULL OF SHIT.

porno jew

11-18-2011 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18569083)

post a simple link to back up your claim. how hard can that be?

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 18569080)

So you are just an overgrown teenager still angry and rebelling against your parents??? Could you be any more of a left wing stereotype? This whole affair is truly a battle between the responsible working adults and the spoiled rebellious children who feel entitled to material success without having to do any of the work required....... a sad state of affairs indeed. :disgust

You certainly don't know me well enough to make those judgements... however, that is another character flaw that "conservatives" typically exhibit.

Gouge

11-18-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18569130)

post a simple link to back up your claim. how hard can that be?

Already did 3 times, good luck hunting.

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18568961)

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all (people) are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Odd then that OWS is protesting for none of this

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18568995)

I have... I grew up in an evangelical Christian home with hardcore right winger parents. I thought I was a Republican until around 2003 when I started to see conservatism for what it really is. A mental disorder.

let me guess, 2003 was the year you realized you'd always be getting more from the government than you'll ever worry about putting in.
:1orglaugh

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569116)

facts point to fail

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2...0-17093530.jpg

porno jew

11-18-2011 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Gouge (Post 18569143)

Already did 3 times, good luck hunting.

thought you were lying now see you are just delusional / stupid.

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569178)

Odd then that OWS is protesting for none of this

That is where you are wrong... corporations weren't "endowed by their Creator [God]". Corporations are not people... they are business entities and should not be afforded the same protection as a citizen under the constitution. It only serves one purpose... to corrupt the political process for the purpose of profit. In my opinion, there is a parallel between the oppression of corporate control of our government against the people and the control of the king of England at the time that the Declaration of Independence was signed.

The SCOTUS treating them as people gives the people who control them an extra voice in the political process. Corporations don't take a shareholder vote to see which candidates to support OR which lobbyists to pay. Shareholders get their own vote and donation limit... why do they need an extra avenue to express that political opinion? Corporations should have no influence on the Democratic process... it's "We the People"... not "We the People and the wealthy who can control the political process through the capital power of their corporations".

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569193)

let me guess, 2003 was the year you realized you'd always be getting more from the government than you'll ever worry about putting in.
:1orglaugh

I don't get anything from the government other than roads, police protection, etc. See the statement I made earlier about the character flaw shared by conservatives... you are a shining example.

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569209)

facts point to fail

Show me the facts... I will show you how your facts are merely another example of how conservatives like to place their own failures on the lap of others.

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569236)

I don't get anything from the government other than roads, police protection, etc. See the statement I made earlier about the character flaw shared by conservatives... you are a shining example.

yeah, you and snake doctor use the same false shield.

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569241)

Show me the facts... I will show you how your facts are merely another example of how conservatives like to place their own failures on the lap of others.

note the politifact.com on the picture.

or as is typical of your kind, pretend its not there.:1orglaugh

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569224)

you leeches and the party you endorse created this.
don't tax corporations like they are people and you won't then have to treat them like people.
I'm in full agreement there but then your governmental teat would dry up that much more.:thumbsup

Gouge

11-18-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18567384)

guess they were police agitators.

http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallst...gate_violence/

Wrong again!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/media...reet-protests/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet...occupy-a-desk/

You must love eating shit sandwiches.

Gouge

11-18-2011 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18569217)

thought you were lying now see you are just delusional / stupid.

You need to upgrade your armory of loquacious ammunition...what you're using right now is just not cutting it with the big boys.

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569264)

note the politifact.com on the picture.

or as is typical of your kind, pretend its not there.:1orglaugh

See... the image didn't come from Politifact... so actually the joke is on you... What that political ad actually did was take a single statistic from this article:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-debt-accumul/

And distort what it said by using Debt vs. debt as a percentage of GDP.

nation-x

11-18-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569281)

See... like I said... nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_Brown

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Brown was elected as a Republican to the United States Senate and served from March 4, 1907, to March 4, 1913. During his term he served as the chairman of the Committee on Patents (Sixty-first and Sixty-second Congresses). He proposed permitting an income tax, later incorporated into the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...f_wages.2C_etc.

Quote:

On June 16, 1909, President William Howard Taft, in an address to Congress, proposed a 2% federal income tax on corporations by way of an excise tax and a constitutional amendment to allow the previously enacted income tax.

Upon the privilege of doing business as an artificial entity and of freedom from a general partnership liability enjoyed by those who own the stock.

An income tax amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown of Nebraska. He submitted two proposals, Senate Resolutions Nos. 25 and 39. The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson W. Aldrich of Rhode Island, the Senate majority leader and Finance Committee Chairman.

12clicks

11-18-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569329)

sorry shitstain, only you mistook a smiling obama and 15 trillion in debt as other than a political ad.

and there is no distortion, silly boy.
here is a cut and paste:

Reagan: Up 14.9 percentage points
George H.W. Bush: Up 7.1 percentage points
Clinton: Down 13.4 percentage points
George W. Bush: Up 5.6 percentage points
Obama: Up 21.9 percentage points (through December 2010 only)

So by this measurement -- potentially a more important one -- Obama is the undisputed debt king of the last five presidents

take note that we're now in nov. of 2011 so obama's number will now be even higher.

nation-x

11-18-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569368)

It's a distortion because quite a bit of the $4.5 Trillion that has been added to the debt since Obama has taken office is ongoing financial commitments made by the Bush Administration. Obama HAS added to the debt... but not nearly as much as Bush and the Republican controlled congress did from 2000 to 2006. We can go over the number as well if you like... but anything else you say about it will probably be nonsense as well.

12clicks

11-18-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569350)

See... like I said... nonsense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norris_Brown

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen...f_wages.2C_etc.

a 2% excise tax on corporations is not the same as a 35% income tax, otherwise, the supreme court would have given personhood to trucks too.

nice try though.:thumbsup

12clicks

11-18-2011 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569383)

sorry, the facts (posted above) say otherwise.
obama could have cut governmental spending. he did not, he inflated it.
the end.

Sly	11-18-2011 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569408)

sorry, the facts (posted above) say otherwise.
obama could have cut governmental spending. he did not, he inflated it.
the end.

My dad is much more liberal than I am. In regards to finances, unions, etc.

The other day we were driving through town and went past a whole slew of road construction projects. Big ones. Almost immediately after we were discussing how the state was broke. He looks over and says "you know... all of this is great... but I really wonder more and more, who is going to pay for this stuff and when do we stop?"

I also have my theory on how the older generations (60+) have screwed the younger generations... but we'll cover that a different day I suppose...

12clicks

11-18-2011 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 18569448)

right. the government has squandered all of our money AND credit.
during that time, we've allowed 50% of our ADULT population to stop paying income tax.
our government explained that we didn't have to save for a rainy day.
and now its raining.

Barry-xlovecam

11-18-2011 12:30 PM

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

porno jew

11-18-2011 12:33 PM

yes it great to watch the ustream kids live feeds. totally different that the non-stop smears from the msm. you see the majority of protesters are just average decent people who don't like where their country and world is right now.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569503)

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

nation-x

11-18-2011 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569470)

and why exactly is it that 50% of Americans don't pay income tax? Is it because of the Earned Income Credit? I would say it's the number one reason... wouldn't you? Maybe the next would be the Home mortgage interest deduction?

12clicks

11-18-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569526)

uh, no. its because we've decided that these adults should be treated like children and not pay the 33% everyone else pays. oh wait, only our best pay that much.
we have a sliding idiot scale where the less able you are, the less you have to pay.
sadly, we've allowed much of our adult population to pass as grown children who can't pay their way.

the earned income tax credit is a gift from the government.
when you give the government $1000.00 and the government gives you $1500, you did not EARN any tax credit nor did you pay taxes so don't go patting yourself on the back when you check box that credit:thumbsup

12clicks

11-18-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569503)

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

your grandfather would be embarrassed by your support of ows.

for every protester begging for a handout, there's someone like your grandfather working his way to the top.

back in 1911 there was no income tax, no unemployment benefits, no welfare, standard oil was a bigger, more powerful monopoly than ANYTHING we have now, the list goes on and on yet you think today's beggars (uh, protesters) have it hard but your grandfather had a fair shake?
wow:1orglaugh

Sly	11-18-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569503)

My paternal grandfather came to NYC in 1911 -- he was 11 years old and came from Czarist Russia. Louis pushed a cart in the streets of NYC peddling new men's socks and underwear. He bought his own pushcart and some inventory and became his own boss in a few years.

He became a pattern cutter in the NYC Garment district. He ended up owning a factory that made high-end lady's sportswear.
He retired in 1948 at 49 years old.

What is OWS about?

It's should be about really having a fair shake in America like America gave my Grandfather.

There is little left of the garment district in NYC. The jobs making clothing and cloth in the textile mills in the south -- those jobs were not the best but they helped America become great -- those jobs are gone and the semi-skilled to skilled jobs that the aspiring lower middle class needed to get ahead are mostly gone now.

FDR sold the "New Deal" maybe the OWS should be selling the "Fair Deal" a chance to make it -- the same thing that brought my Grandfather to Ellis Island ...

30K yesterday in just NYC marching , the estimated 700K watching world-wide and the mainstream media was not covering the "events" live -- why? Who owns TV and Cable ...

Your grandpa busted his ass in a new country, surrounded by people that did not want him, and made a name for himself. That was not fair by any means. I salute him.

What is fair? And when did life ever become fair? Who came up with that silly notion?

The day I stopped begging for life to be fair was the day I became my own person.

cykoe6

11-18-2011 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569620)

Very well said. :thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam

11-18-2011 01:49 PM

No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the hand that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?

nation-x

11-18-2011 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18569620)

and he didn't have to compete with giant multi-nationals... and saying that Standard Oil was a bigger monopoly that even half of the biggest multi-nationals is ignorant to say the least. In terms of market share... maybe... but it was a very different world then. By todays standards, Standard Oil was a small business. Now they do it with subsidiaries.

12clicks

11-18-2011 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)

No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the mouth that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?

go ask your grandfather.
and please.......stop confusing the bottom .00005% with the actual 99%

12clicks

11-18-2011 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569729)

ah yes, the back woods historian explaining the 1910s.

son, you go on believing whatever makes you imagine you're right.:thumbsup

12clicks

11-18-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?

it would appear you believe they're getting it from the money tree in zuccotti park but actually they get it from working a real job.

is your point that the stupid should make as much as the smart?

your grandfather didn't believe that.

12clicks

11-18-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x (Post 18569729)

he little boy, read before speaking.
http://www.linfo.org/standardoil.html

"""The saga of Standard Oil ranks as one of the most dramatic episodes in the history of the U.S. economy. It occurred at a time when the country was undergoing its rapid transformation from a mainly agricultural society to the greatest industrial powerhouse the world has ever known. The effects of Standard Oil on the U.S., as well as on much of the rest of the world, were immense, and the lessons that can be learned from this amazing story are possibly as relevant today as they were a century ago.

Standard Oil Company was founded by John D. Rockefeller in Cleveland, Ohio in 1870, and, in just a little over a decade, it had attained control of nearly all the oil refineries in the U.S. This dominance of oil, together with its tentacles entwined deep into the railroads, other industries and even various levels of government, persisted and intensified, despite a growing public outcry and repeated attempts to break it up, until the U.S. Supreme Court was finally able to act decisively in 1911............""""

Sly	11-18-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 18569726)

No, I am just not stupid -- I earn my money from the spending of the top 20% of that 99%

Only a moron or a pig would bite the hand that feeds them ... Which are you cykoe6, Sly, 12clicks?

Where do you think that 20% of the 99% makes the money to spend?

I'm going to guess that they make it while busting their ass, like most of us.

The movement can do whatever it wants. I don't really care. I think a little chaos is good every now and then. I don't think they are going to accomplish much though and demanding "fairness" is just silly. If things did get more "fair", that would require somebody to set the rules to make things "fair." And guess who that somebody would be? The dreaded 1%.

Times are tough for a lot of people, I'm not denying that at all. But if you want to compare tough times today and tough times 100 years ago, I'll take tough times today without thinking twice. Life is good for most people. Making demands without putting forth the sweat just doesn't work.

pornguy

11-18-2011 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18567207)

Dude, I am only playing devil's advocate here.

Change requires a strategy, not a vague group of disenfranchised campers.

I WANT the OWS group to come up with a specific agenda - I really do.

Until then, they will be taken less seriously every day.

that's the thing. There are sooooo many things to change they are trying to shout it all.

Sadly in the end, we keep electing Politicians.

No one goes into politics to help people. they go into it to get paid.

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