Fiddy No's.

Signup and put some vids on your tubes and make $$$.

WTF.

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Pipo gets a 9/10 rating for this one from me.

The only thing holding him back from full points is the outlandish scenario in this storyline.

Sorry Pea, but the only programs im promoting right now are my own programs :)

Ive did my share of sending sales to other programs, but im more then happy with how our paysites are doing right now. Especially the sologirl ones that have HQ models on them instead of the same ol' pornstars like jenna.

No offense btw. I like your sites, i would promote them, but atm im sending it full throttle to my own programs :thumbsup

I dont know a thing about what the costs are to produce these kinda scenes.
Been chatting with a lot of different shooters, and 2 of them have content thats almost 99% similar in style, quality, and quality of the models. And the prices range from 1k per 20 minute scene upto 5k per 30minute scenes.

I thought this would be the easy part haha.

Maybe i should stick to buying content that is similar to what i have in mind..

@madalton: I wanted to hit you up indeed, but i checked your content site and it didnt have much videos in the style i was looking for. I will check it out again, but i am a nitpick when it comes to selecting the videocontent for my sites. Sorry if i didnt get back to you. Just thought that what was on the site was what you had.

Is there some special place with this HQ samples you can email to me?

I shoot high end still and video so close to the style that the owner and main photographer of x-art talked with me a while back about shoot for the site.

my site:
www.angelafterlife.com

sample video:
http://www.angelafterlife.com/LOCK/J...Breathless.wmv

The shooters can earn more elsewhere.

:thumbsup

The shooters at this end have mostly gone from porn. Those left won't charge what they used to earn, yet won't work cheap either.

X-art sells like shit off a stick - unique site - wish we had dozens of them to promot instead of the usual american hardcore shit, that noone seems to want to pay for anymore.

Hit up Viv Thomas or Steve Hicks. I might be able to drag Jack Harrison of of retirement. might even be able to do a deal with him for his archives. Viv might have something in his archives you can buy. Everything is for sale, it's always a question of CAN YOU AFFORD TO BUY?

The situation is these guys can shoot it, not guys with "the right camera" these are guys with the right skills and a CV that proves it. It's very easy to say "I can do it." because you have the camera, shoot HD clear as daylight porn. Different thing to actually do it.

Seriously hit me up I do know people who have shot this level and still do. People who don't say they could, people who can show they have and still do.

Then go and do it and anyone else who thinks they can do it.

This argument would work perfectly if in 2005 all the online content shooters were selling their work to offline paying up to 10 times what online paid. They submitted and were rejected time after time. Their work wasn't so good. On so many levels. I'm not a class of one, there are 100s of shooters who were selling to mags and not bothering to sell online. Go figure out why yourself.

Just because you can sit in a Formula 1 car and drive a Ford on a motorway, it doesn't mean you're Louis Hamilton. Simplified but you get my meaning.

Left you a message on icq. Hit me up when you are back online!:thumbsup

I know why they don't bother selling online.... they don't know how to and they don't have the ability to monetize it fully and it doesn't cost much to shoot pictures, so they have to spend little on-going money to make money.

With the proper adult company, a DVD can earn 5-20 times what it cost to produce. I highly doubt that a magazine photographer earns 5-20 times over the cost of the shoot, on a few photos.

At one point Jack Sparrow will be asking you for samples and more samples untill he has your complete archive for free. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

He's full of shit. Think of it like this... you are a freelance writer. You typically write for free to get published and prove you can write. Sometimes, you get around .10 per word or so to write copy and articles for others. Every great once in a while, you get published in a large magazine and they pay you 1.00 per word.

Then you just run around talking about how difficult it is to write well, what it takes to get 1.00 per word, how you're worth every penny, how if people want quality articles, they have to pay 1.00 per word and so on... when the reality is you have rarely ever sold any articles for 1.00 per word.

Lets not forget Paul coming to GFY and begging for money to survive... It's not like he was a top shooter for magazines making all this money as he would like people to think he was. Also, it was about 2005 when he was begging for money to feed himself and his family... so contrast that with his comment below:

Hehe, that's a great perspective.... I never thought of it that way, but yeah, bang on.

I really only noticed PM within the last year or so, maybe two. Before that I do remember the magic join link bit, but not really anything with him.



With PM, I see him trying to compare an "income stream" to our Industries multiple ways to generate revenue. Your example highlights the limitations of his revenue stream, it's not recurring, it's not compounding, and it's not fast... basically it's not a business monetizing its content every way possible, it's a person making an income.

He just summed up himself and his career in this thread.

in 2005, shooters were making 10 X more by selling to magazines

BUT

in 2005, Paul Markham was here on this forum begging for money to feed his family

Lets get back to topic.

And please dont quote all these fools i have on ignore haha, its so nice and peacefull without having to read their trash :)

Seen some very very nice content. I bought some preproduced already, but still need a lot more. If you have content already edited and xart quality leave me a message with samples!

Most offline shooters shot for an average cost of $300 and sold in total for an average of $3,000 a set non exclusive.

The downside were shooting 10-20 sets a month for which they would rarely get paid anything for 6 months and on average 9 months.

We were doing 20 a month.
20 x $300 = $6000 a month
$6000 x 9 = $54,000

If a shooter sells everything he shoots, not a problem. If he doesn't he was throwing money into the fire. And that's why few of the online shooters ever sold to magazines. Not even by shooting and selling a few a month and building up the back log.

Yes DVDs did make that kind of return and for the same reasons they were not coming online to sell. Even more so with them, they knew selling online would devastate their sales to stores. Store chains would simply black list most of them and told them so.

So let's assume there was a lot of money to be made online with porn. Then why did most online companies that approached an offline shooter fail to recruit one? The answer is - they weren't paying enough.

This isn't just us, it's 100s of offline shooters. We were nearly all freelance, we would shoot for anyone with the money. Yet who ended up with a top offline shooter and who made do with anyone who could shoot cheap enough? It's a short list for offline shooter and a long one for cheap shooters.

We could easily sell a solo girl set for $35 10 times and if we shot a video a set+video for $60 10 times. So the return on the stores sale for a set was well over $350. For a set and video over $1,000. Which is why we never sold custom exclusive. All our content we sold to magazines, plus online and still own.

We can all clearly see what great content will do when trying to sell it. Met-Art, X-Art, Perfect Gonzo, Party Hardcore are just a few sites of a small number who have truly great content, or did. Why didn't more sites just go offline to get one of the best shooters and simply employ him or buy all his production to raise themselves above the pack to a level other sites couldn't reach with the shooters they had?

http://paulmarkham.com/temp/money.jpg

It really is that simple.

The shocking part is. If an online company had really thought it out and could afford it. They could of funded the shooter and the sites content for free or for very little.

I hear ya Jack! Best of luck with your own program and content. :)

i shoot that style 60% of time now

hit me up

Nice try to evade the truth by applying it to only me. But that's BS and if Squawker doesn't know he's stupid. Maybe he or you can name all the other offline shooter who are employed or partnered with online companies.

When he came to visit us, he was stupid enough to think I was going to hand over 1/3 of our studio operation to shoot his cheap sets. He lies we were struggling for money. Yet in the same post he say he met lots of our staff. Saw our large studio. Now does it make sense that a guy "struggling for money" hangs on to staff and a studio?

Or would a more logical conclusion be that a person not doing well would get rid of staff and studio?

IMO he was after a webcam studio. Which I would of turned down flat. It's 100% illogical that he would fly girls from Russia to Czech, bother getting a visa, put them up in an apartment to shoot cheap solo girl sets. While he was running a webcam studio in Russia.

Paul, stop lying. You're not good at it and no one believes you anyway. I've explained countless times why we spoke to you - of course you denied ever knowing me or that it happened as I was busting you wide open for being a crazy, broke dipshit... until i posted pics.

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Thanks!!!

The discussion was targeted towards you, so only applying it to you is logical.

Yeah, plenty are... that's the nature of business, if money is being made, people have jobs and make a living, others own the companies, and so on. Nobody said otherwise from what I saw.

I have no idea what the story is with you two, nor do I care.

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I bet Pipo bought Paul's bargain basement special - "Hairy muffs of Lenka and Zdenka"
Quality entertainment.
For those producers that posted in here, please tell us what Pipo's excuse was not to buy from you?

Another great set of videos bought.

Still looking for more, i guess i will be concentrating on buying already produced content (exclusive or semi-exclusive) because i get to many people with different stories and price ranges from $400 for a custom shoot up to $10k :)

Im still interested in custom shoots, but please, make sure you have quality examples ready for me to see. I have gotten enough "im so good and if you prepay me i will shoot this and that model" but without any good examples.

Thanks ya'll, keep them coming!

Ps. angelafterlife, didnt catch you online, what timezone are you in, the samples look promising!

$6k a month is a job or a small business, even back in the 80's.... but that's the point, it's just an income stream.

Because plenty of online shooters do a perfectly fine job at a much cheaper rate? Business logical I guess.... If it was such a huge difference, those few offline companies that moved online, would kill online, but online wise - they don't.

Just like the 100's of self shot paysite owners, many of which that earn upwards of $300-$500k+ a month? Most of these people are earning $1000's to $10,000's per scene, per month, and normally never need to sell the content for pennies.

Those sites do have some nice content, and it's perfect for the buyers that like that niche style.

I guess when other paysites/companies that don't hire/partner with professionals and they earn as much and more than those that do, it is probably tough to convince people that it's needed for them to succeed - when it's not. It is needed because it fills a money gap in our Industry, but it's not what everyone should be doing.

Really, it's that simple....

Paul, wich videos did Pipo buy from you?

I really dont get the money/producer discussion in here.
If i think the content is what i need i pay whats on the pricetag. If its good enough to buy for later on i will try to get it cheaper.

Content is worth either what program owners want to pay for it, or what program owners think they can at least profit from if they buy it.

You could hire spielberg and get a millionair dollar set for a scene but if nobody wants to buy it you have a problem. If you have to ask your potential clients to pay $1000 for a membership, you have the same problem.

Costefficiency is something people can and will learn. Either the smart, or the hard way.

Although im not tight on budget, im not going to pay someone $15,000 in advance for 2 x 20 minute scenes. And believe me those kinds have been contacting me a lot.

On the other hand ive seen excellent content, 99% xart style for a reasonable price but i need way more to get anything remotely as good online.

Now.. Please lets get back to topic, which is exclusive or nonexclusive xart alike content. Preproduced or still to be shot exclusively its all fine with me.

All i ask for is that i can handpick the material i need.

No it's also worth what others are prepared to pay for it.

Agreed. Obviously earning a profit from a purchase is essential. However if others can earn a bigger profit and pay more. They get to bite the apple first

Did you get my message on ICQ? I have friends who are shooting the top level and have done for years. Their history is well known. They also have archive material that might be exactly what you want and at a good price.

Paul, he's too busy counting stacks of money. :1orglaugh
Seriously, dont waste your time (although you have plenty) on this moron. He isn't buying anything. Just creating new topics because someone was busting his balls about his "user submitted" paysites. Trust me, he won't buy shit. He already told real content producers that he has "other". You know what that means, right?

Was great talking to you! :thumbsup

Very well said.

One thing I really do agree with Paul about is the quality of Viv Thomas' content.

Viv Thomas Cash

How old is Viv?

Wow. Just checked out your site and you're pretty freaking awesome!

Yep some really good models on there. Cant wait to see the first videos!

There ya go.

MaxCandy is the best shooter on GFY and has been for many, many years.

I looked up to your stuff when I opened up my content company back in the 90's and tried my best to emulate you (and fell woefully short)

Thanks bud,


Been shooting stuff like Xart for years, before there was an XART.

tried to get you on icq no luck, lets chat, have an interesting offer for you

How much did you buy baller? :1orglaugh

Will be there in about 1.5 hrs. Still sunday night family time but if you can make it in 1.5 i would love to chat.

BTW, Max, I finally watched Inglorious. Fucking awesome on so many levels.

If anyone hasn't seen it yet,buy it now.

Bumpin it up.

Thanks bud!

We are working on the next bigger and better one now, so excited

cheers,

MaxC

bumparoo

I am still learning x-art style...but if anyone would like to hire me for content production, please let me know :)

my portfolio: http://www.LazonaImagery.com

just sent you an ICQ.. 9493713

Agreed.

I think a lot of it is tasteless and disrespectful to women.. and that puts me off for sure.

When I see a girl who is completely not enjoying the scene, it ruins it for me. I for one at least like the women to "appear" that they are both comfortable and enjoying themselves.

Fair point.

Making women look hot and beautiful, who would have ever thought that might sell?

IMO Viv has a CV in porn that raises him to the top table. He's been shooting great stuff for decades. He's freelance and will shoot for Jack or anyone. Just a matter of cost.

He also has an archive that might be for sale, if the price is right. I have his email address, and will send him this thread.

Not sure of his age, I suspect he's in the same bracket as me. He also had throat cancer 5\6 years ago and now cured.

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