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Rochard 11-19-2011 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18572502)
I just can't see it being the current OWS folk though. A bunch of ragtag hippies, and uni students? Who do they have on their side that's of any importance? Jesse Ventura, Alex Jones, and Michael Moore? Nobody cares in the slightest what they say.

I agree. OWS claims to be the 99%, but they really aren't. A large percentage of the general population agree with their general message ("banks are bad") but so very few are protesting.

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Originally Posted by Kiopa_Matt (Post 18572502)
If and when you have hard working, intelligent, respectable folk who have their life savings wiped out, then you can maybe expect something to happen.

This already happened.

BIGTYMER 11-19-2011 07:59 PM

Smelly hippies? Those looked like rich white kids.

pm2000 11-19-2011 08:03 PM

some people think the world is coming to an end, with all this shit going on, but good luck on that one I aint going anywhere so fuck you

Kiopa_Matt 11-19-2011 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGTYMER (Post 18572598)
Smelly hippies? Those looked like rich white kids.

Nobody particularly gives a shit what rich, white, spoiled kids say either. If they spent 30 years busting their ass to become a millionaire, they probably wouldn't be singing the same tune as they are now.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-19-2011 08:30 PM

?The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.?
 
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Perpetrators, collaborators, bystanders, victims: we can be clear about three of these categories. The bystander, however, is the fulcrum.

If there are enough notable exceptions, then protest reaches a critical mass. We don?t usually think of history as being shaped by silence, but, as English philosopher Edmund Burke said,

?The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.?
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If you are not hearing the message of the OWS protesters, perhaps you are not listening...

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Dear Occupiers of Wall Street: A Love Letter

I?m feeling such gratitude/hero-worship for the OWS protesters. I know how tired and hungry and foolish it feels to stand in public, standing on nothing but your principles. I know how energizing and wonderful and empowering it can feel to meet so many like-minded folks. It?s group therapy of the best kind to to look someone in the eye and hear, ?This happened to me, too.? There?s power in that.

I know that many times demands of a protest are not met. During my first ever protest at 17 years old, the Thing That We Were Marching Against happened while we wept on the sidewalk. But even if OWS does nothing else, it has already done so much.

It has awakened the knowledge in our bones that we don?t have to suffer in silence, we can have a voice. It has hopefully held up a much-needed mirror to the ones who?ve been crying ?class warfare? over being in the higher tax bracket.

Of course not all of the 10% or even the 1% fall into this argument. (I do wish that I could join them, but I was already out of work for most of 2009, so I know all too well how hard it will be to get another job if I lose this one.)

First of all, shame on all those who have cast dispersions on the protests. Really! Seriously! It must be quite a place of luxury to sit ?on high? while people (who have lost their retirement savings, their jobs, or God forbid, the roof over their heads) demonstrate their righteous outrage at those who profited OBSCENELY from sinking our investments.

What certain execs on Wall Street have done to Americans is nothing short of disgusting. They?ve been doing it for years and it?s a wonder the people?s revolution has taken this long. The hard work and savings that we saw as a duty to future generations and an obligation to our families, they saw as a game.

We entered into a trust agreement with Wall Street. Foolish? You bet. We believed they were on our side; that the design of the markets dictated that growth for them would mean growth for us. They violated that agreement for many years.

They have made gross profits by keeping our wages low, and then shared the profits with us, and we were quiet. They made billions by gouging our food, fuel, and home prices and then gave us a slice of the pie to shut us up. They made record-breaking, unheard-of sums of money by trashing our shared oceans and our shared air, and our health has suffered. But our 401Ks were seeing 12% gains and we mistook that money for Our Fair Share. But now things have changed.

Light is the best disinfectant, and some important truths have been brought to light. They swindled hard-working folks by selling them toxic assets and then asked those same folks to loan them the dough to cover the losses. And now the critics expect these protesters to thank them for helpfully pointing out that their complaints don?t fit handily on a bumper sticker? I. Don?t. Think. So.

90% of the bank bailout money was repaid. We lost some billions of dollars on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but ultimately we absorbed the Wall Street losses in a much more personal way.

We lost our savings and our job security. We have a lower standard of living than our parents did thanks to the greed of a few. I have no right to suggest demands on behalf of the gutsy folks who have actually worn out shoe leather exercising their First Amendment rights. Bravo to them.

And I know that the ideologies represented by the protesters run the gamut from Communist to Tea Party and everything between? But I think I have an idea of a starting place for how Wall Street could make it up to us. They can start by listening. They can start by offering some demonstration of remorse, such as turning in the members of their tribe, the ones who cheated and robbed us, to face legal justice. (despite the impracticality of pursuing and trying criminals that could number in the hundreds?)

They could start by offering to pay for the American Jobs Bill. They can start by waking up to the reality that they have helped to create and offer solutions.
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Peace and Love,

ADG

Fletch XXX 11-19-2011 08:39 PM

while they were protesting we were working online lol

BFT3K 11-19-2011 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18571828)
The message, in a nutshell, is that our political voice is now bought and paid for, by the largest corporations, who do not give a flying fuck about you, or your supposed "democracy".

They don't care if your air is poisoned, if your salary ever goes up, if you have medical care, if your food is poisoned, if your vote doesn't count, if your air is poisoned - they just don't give a fuck about you!

To think that this message is not valid, is ignorance at it's highest level.

You are now part of the corporate machine that is attempting to blur, confuse, and pigeonholing the real message behind the core of the movement, because they know their very power may now be at stake.

Congratulation, you are another cog in the wheel that is running over our democracy! :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 18571928)
You are sad, dude. Go out and do something, instead of being a tard on the web. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I just read through this again, and you know, I owe you an apology. My statement was a general one, and it shouldn't have been directed at anyone in particular.

Sorry about the misdirected anger.

You don't know me, and I don't know you either. :2 cents:

SmokeyTheBear 11-19-2011 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18571596)
Sidewalks are for walking, not sitting. Hence the name, sidewalk.

but that doesn't explain why you park on a driveway and drive on a parkway :2 cents:

SmokeyTheBear 11-19-2011 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18572327)

You forgot to mention the part where the students were told to take down the tents by the school.

i think the point was that the article was a complete fabrication of the facts.. it doesn't matter how you cut and paste it. They said they were surrounded and they used a sweeping motion to disperse the crowd , when the video clearly shows the police advance on sitting protesters and mace them in the face.

PornoMonster 11-19-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BFT3K (Post 18571849)
Seriously. Surrounded by WHAT? Unarmed college kids sitting on the lawn?!

The video in parts, or even as a whole, does not paint these cops with a positive brush whatsoever - BUT IT WILL MOTIVATE MORE COLLEGE KIDS TO UNITE - So thanks for that!

People seem to forget most police do not get to make the decisions. The police are only doing what they were told to do after being issued the pepper spray. The OWS people in the cases I have seen were told to move along, they were breaking a law.

porno jew 11-19-2011 11:01 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_movement

The civil rights movement was a worldwide political movement for equality before the law occurring between approximately 1950 and 1980.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left

The New Left was a term used mainly in the United Kingdom and United States in reference to activists, educators, agitators and others in the 1960s and 1970s who sought to implement a broad range of reforms, in contrast to earlier leftist or Marxist movements that had taken a more vanguardist approach to social justice and focused mostly on labor unionization and questions of social class.[2]

it's only been two months. there is plenty of time for goals and tactics to evolve.

Rochard 11-19-2011 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18572783)
i think the point was that the article was a complete fabrication of the facts.. it doesn't matter how you cut and paste it. They said they were surrounded and they used a sweeping motion to disperse the crowd , when the video clearly shows the police advance on sitting protesters and mace them in the face.

This started before the police were brought in. The students were told to remove the tents by the school, and they refused. When college students refuse to obey the rules of the college, they are escorted off campus. In this case, the police were called. The students refused to listen to anyone, and the police went to arrest them. In very simple English, when the police are called into a dispute of this nature and the only resolution is to remove someone by force, the police will use force.

I think the police were surrounded. From the video I see a line of protesters blocking the sidewalks, protesters on both sides, and a group of police officers in the middle. You can't really see what's behind the police officers, but you can plainly see that in the back the police officers have their backs facing the camera. The officers in back were watching the far side of this group of officers.

Whatever. Some dumb kids refused to listen to the school staff, the police were called, the kids refused to "obey a peace officer" and were arrested, by force, using pepper spray.

This is what protesters do. They put police in an impossible situation and then exploit it. Our grandparents did this in the 1960s.

porno jew 11-19-2011 11:20 PM

Police used batons to try to push the students apart. Those they could separate, they arrested, kneeling on their bodies and pushing their heads into the ground. Those they could not separate, they pepper-​sprayed directly in the face, holding these students as they did so. When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-​sprayed down their throats. Several of these students were hospitalized. Others are seriously injured. One of them, forty-​five minutes after being pepper-​sprayed down his throat, was still coughing up blood.

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porno jew 11-20-2011 12:01 AM

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DaddyHalbucks 11-20-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18571887)


Peace and Love,

ADG

If you don't like the taste of pepper spray, don't participate in a riot, don't even get near one.

:2 cents:

PornoMonster 11-20-2011 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18572783)
i think the point was that the article was a complete fabrication of the facts.. it doesn't matter how you cut and paste it. They said they were surrounded and they used a sweeping motion to disperse the crowd , when the video clearly shows the police advance on sitting protesters and mace them in the face.

Oh Quit wit the spin.

I watched a video not sure if it was the same one, about 8 minutes long I think.
at the end the Protesters were chanting we will Let you Leave in peace.

They sprayed the protesters that were sitting down blocking access. (The reason the police were called) You can tell the last and final order was given, because all the officers got back, then the one did a sweeping spray across the line.

If I go and protest, I know and am expecting to be pepper sprayed if I am blocking access, or other peoples rights to use the area being blocked.

D Ghost 11-20-2011 12:56 AM

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ate&id=8438529

DAVIS, Calif. -- Video surfaced online Saturday showing an officer at a California university calmly pepper-spraying a line of several sitting protesters, who flinch and cover their faces but remain passive with their arms interlocked as onlookers shriek and scream out for the officer to stop.

The chancellor of the University of California, Davis described the video images as "chilling" and said she was forming a task force to investigate even as a faculty group called for her resignation because of the incident Friday.

"The use of the pepper spray as shown on the video is chilling to us all and raises many questions about how best to handle situations like this," Chancellor Linda Katehi said in a message posted on the school's web site on Saturday.

D Ghost 11-20-2011 01:02 AM

Thanks to the police for protecting us from these very dangerous people. I was afraid for me and my family's life. LOL.

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moeloubani 11-20-2011 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18571892)
I love that, "we're just children" comment.



ummm, the cops were circled. A second groupl of cops came up from behind and started making people move off the sidewalk. They were on the same side of the crowd as the car was.

The kids that got sprayed had ample opportunity to slide over 3' in either direction. They opted not to.

lol baddog youre so dumb

the police had ample opportunity to arrest them without pepper spray. they opted not to.

pepper spray is for protecting yourself, not just something you do before an arrest

i hope next time you get pulled over the cop just comes up and sprays you in the face then writes you a ticket but then again you seem like the kind of guy who would suck a cops dick

marlboroack 11-20-2011 01:40 AM

Did they leave because of victory? Or?

12clicks 11-20-2011 07:21 AM

If they truly represented the 99% of 350,000,000 Americans, you'd see more than the tiny handful that have shown up.

Fletch XXX 11-20-2011 07:26 AM

yeah the rest of us are working lol

czarina 11-20-2011 07:27 AM

greater than 1% of the worlds population is allergic to that stuff and they are going to end up killing someone. Those people have a right to protest and these actions seek to take that right away.

Someone is going to die from that stuff and this whole protest things is going to change.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude 11-20-2011 07:46 AM

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...shot%20OWS.jpg

From a few days ago:



Peace and Love,

ADG

12clicks 11-20-2011 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude (Post 18573253)
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runnin...shot%20OWS.jpg

From a few days ago:



Peace and Love,

ADG

10,000 protesters is what % of 350,000,000 again?
That's not even .01% of NYC.

Anthony 11-20-2011 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18573391)
10,000 protesters is what % of 350,000,000 again?
That's not even .01% of NYC.

It's supposed to impress you.

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10,313 fans showed up at the Mandalay Bay Event Center to witness Nick Diaz vs. B.J. Penn in the main event for UFC 137.
I was impressed by that number, The gate for the Las Vegas event totaled $3.9 million.

SmokeyTheBear 11-20-2011 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 18573391)
10,000 protesters is what % of 350,000,000 again?.

math wasn't your strong subject was it :1orglaugh

Cash4Me 11-20-2011 09:22 AM

As soon as I saw Joan Baez joining to OWS lazy freaks I realized that this movement is nothing, only another useless '68 parody. Let's wait when TV won't send its reporters there and they'll loose visibility.

Rochard 11-20-2011 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ The Kid (Post 18572863)
Thanks to the police for protecting us from these very dangerous people. I was afraid for me and my family's life. LOL.

It's not about protecting anyone. They are police officers. They were called to a dispute. The students, much to their surprise, discovered that is in fact not "their school" and they do not have the right to pitch tents any place they please. The school said no, they disobeyed, and because there was a small group of them the police were called. The children refused to listen to the school, refused to listen to police, and broke a number of laws.

You'll see things vastly differently when you have kids. You won't want to visit the local park because the high school kids hang out in packs smoking, or your pissed off because after an hour of trying to get your six year old to sleep the silence was shattered and woke you kid up again.

Our city union was striking at the town meeting, yelling obscenities - not thinking this was a city park, and that my kid and a few hundred other kids from our league was practicing football. Sounds like no big deal until you discover that your on the league and you get flooded with dozens phone calls from pissed off parents. They have the right to protest, they do not have the right to yell obscenities at a park in front of my kids.

We had another problem where one of our football games ran late - very late - and was in violation of the noise ordinance. One of the neighbors (who is most likely pissed at themselves for buying a house next to a high school) called the police, and we were shut down.

These things sound trivial and minor, but they are laws, and they exist for a reason.

When the school administration tells you not to camp out on the campus quad, guess what - Your not camping out. And if you don't obey the school, the police get called and you get removed.

Rochard 11-20-2011 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18572876)

the police had ample opportunity to arrest them without pepper spray. they opted not to.

pepper spray is for protecting yourself, not just something you do before an arrest

No, not at all. The police went to this group of kids and told them they were going to be arrested. Instead of standing up and putting their hands behind their backs, they remained seated with their arms locked. The police at that point had two options - Either pepper spray them, or physically separate them with their night sticks. I'm guessing being physically separated by force by men with night sticks is a lot more painful.

Your trying to make this out to be police brutality. It's not. Police brutality is when they beat you over the head with night sticks - not when they try to peacefully arrested someone who is resisting arrest.


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Originally Posted by moeloubani (Post 18572876)
i hope next time you get pulled over the cop just comes up and sprays you in the face then writes you a ticket but then again you seem like the kind of guy who would suck a cops dick

You don't get pepper sprayed when you get pulled over - Unless there is a huge incident and you resist arrest.

I got pulled over in 2004 for a full felony stop. Long story, but I pulled away from a marked cop at a high rate of speed. Other than speeding, I had done nothing wrong but the cops thought I was running. A full felony stop meant me laying on the pavement with a cop's knee in my back while they cuffed me wasn't exactly fun, but I sort got what I deserved. And clearly it would have been a lot worse if I resisted arrested.

This is what protesters do. They bait the cops into arresting them, resist arrest, and make the cops look bad. Our grandparents did it for civil rights, and our parents did it for Vietnam. The cops don't give a shit one way or another. The cops were called to a dispute, college kids who failed to obey the rules of the school.


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