Very valid point really.

lol im most prob a lot older than you kid and you know yourself that Russia on its own wouldent stand a chance against the west, but throw China into the equation along side Russia against the west and we would have a huge problem

Sure thing kid. Keep on racking those posts for your internet credo, son. Im sure you served in the military and know all about things you tried (and failed) to talk about here.

I'm playing MW3!! Or is it just GFY again...

Hell ... Niue and China would. You don't wanna go up against China.

Where have you been?

Putin strengthened Russia?s economy and restored its global influence

"Vladimir Putin became Russia?s president in 2000. Under his reign the Russian economy increased by 6 fold, becoming the 7th largest in the world. Under Putin, Russian industry grew by 76%, investments increased by 125%, real incomes more than doubled and the average monthly salary increased sevenfold from $80 to $640. From 2000 to 2006 the volume of consumer credit increased 45 times and the middle class grew from 8 million to 55 million people. The number of people living below the poverty line decreased from 30% in 2000 to 14% in 2008.

In his 8 years governance, Putin had largely restored Russian military might and influence. He formed alliance with North Korea, China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan, effectively securing Russian eastern and southern borders.

The Russia now and 20 years ago is of stark contrast. The country is no longer poor ? it has built up $516 billion in foreign reserves, the world?s third largest; only after China and Japan. Russia has surpassed Saudi Arabia as the world?s largest oil exporter, given that it is also the world?s largest gas exporter, the Russia today is an energy superpower. Russia, a strong scientific, aerospace and engineering nation, is widely believed to possess the world?s second most advanced military after the USA."

..continued here

Everything you write makes a lot of sense and I totally agree with you on everything Alex... can I cum on your face now?

Read what Alex wrote about tactical nukes. They can work very locally... just a city, or a small town. The US threatened to use them during the first Iraqi war but their European allies strongly objected to that.

And someone mentioned "Nashi"? I think he meant Nazi? :1orglaugh

You know it from some Hollywood movie. Right? :1orglaugh

Get a clue and stop acting like a clown.

Why you are so lazy to read about it yourself and asking me for the explanation? Ok if you ask I'll tell you the "secret truth". The rocket which set the explorer to the orbit did its work just fine. However the explorer own march engine didn't start for some reason (you know shit happens).

Any more questions? Perhaps you'd like to tell us something about the use space technologies? Challenger? Columbia? How all those modern US astronauts are getting to the orbit? Riding Harry Potter's broom?

Guys it really looks like you are getting all your knowledge from movies like "Armageddon", "Sunshine" etc. Get real please :)

Russia has its own interests in Syria and it will realize them anyways. No one will want to fuck with Russia because of all those reasons I've already pointed above.

Nope. It also allows to use the nukes against ANY country which attacked Russian army units anywhere. I'm going to repeat it one more time: tactical nukes is the only weapon which have to be used against aircraft carriers (at least according to the official Russian military doctrine).

Russians are the last people i would want to kick in the nutz

You guys can measure cock size with nuke counts all day long. It really doesn't matter if one side has 50 or 2000.. Once you hit a certain number it's "mutual assured destruction".. Meaning no one wins..

You can launch 2000 at the other side but those 50 headed at you are still going to end your day.

On top of this it's very unlikely that all of Russia's nuke stoke pile is still launchable. Really, you think they actively kept them in shape during those years after the USSR crashed and continue to do it today?

You have any idea what the costs are? The current count of "active" nuclear weapons is 1,950 for the US & 2,430 for Russia. Really does it matter a few hundred here or there when probably 50 would end any country on earth?

Now as far as war if it's nuclear it really doesn't matter because no one wins except those tribal fucks in Africa that no body will give a fuck about bombing.

As far as any sort of conventional war.. Russia is just like China.. They simply can't wage a conventional war out side of driving distance of their own boarders. Unless it's against a smaller country but certainly not against the US or any of our allies that we would protect.

You can have all the troops, tanks & jets you want, but if you can't get them to the theater they are worthless.

This is why the US continues to be the Only real world super power today because we are the only nation that can project it's power by actual force rather than idle threats. When Russian or China sends a few Naval ships somewhere like this current deal. it's essentially a idle threat and a flap fest because it's not like it would win if there is an engagement. Added to this if there was an engagement they just lost their only aircraft carrier and most of their Navy.

I'm sure eventually China will step up to the plate if their economy doesn't crash and burn due to inflation. Russia on the other hand will likely never be a work power that can once again project it's force anywhere in the world.

Russia will likely end up like France or England. In the list of countries that once had world wide projection of power but the times changed and that power and need for it no longer exists.

Hell the US will probably eventually be on the same list at some point if we don't get out shit in order. One thing is certain history has proven that no world power has ever stayed on top.. Eventually they all fall down.

The only thing I know about Hollywood movies is how much bullshit they are based on what I saw in Blackhawk Down versus what I saw in the Battle of Mogadishu in October of 1993.

What I know about the rest is what I learned during 7 years in the Army, with a secret security clearance, 14 medals and 2 combat deployments. And although I never fired a nuclear artillery round while I was with the 10th Mountain Division, we did train for them, including flying to an Army depot in the north eastern US and seeing the real shit. Along with other munitions that people dont like to hear about.

So take your clown and stuff it back in your ass.

Yes of course. Nuclear weapon is a main priority of Russian military doctrine. I don't even want to comment on all that nonsense you posted above - too many letters and zero information. It like you live in some parallel Universe...

100 rusting Russian shrimp trawlers

101 US "space" shuttles

Goodnight cyberxxx. Dont spill your cheap vodka.

It's not nonsense it's true..

Lets say the US and it's allies decide they want to attack Syria. Now lets say Russia decides they want to forcibly try to stop the US & it's allies. What can Russia do?

The "only" option Russia has is Nuclear and we all know Russia isn't going to risk nuclear war over Syria. If Russia tried to fight a conventional war, you would never get anything in the theater.

The only conventional manor in which Russia could help Syria is by supplying arms for a insurgent style war. Russians aren't getting tanks or aircraft or large numbers of troops into that theater. This isn't WW2 times anymore troop movements are seen long before they would get anywhere close.

Of course none of this will ever happen because we all know the end result. Hence the reason I say it's just a bunch of cock flapn, because there is no ability for you to project conventional power in the region even though it's almost in your back yard. This is why I say Russia is no longer a world power, due to no ability to project it's power world wide.

Russia is a regional power and a economic power and has a lot of nukes. Nukes only make sure everyone dies, but they don't win wars or allow you to project power else where in the world.

I see you got the proper avatar :winkwink: Sorry but I really can't take seriously a person who compares ICBMs with light-weight subsonic TLAMs...

However... it's only 2:49 PM now in Moscow, so I'm not going to sleep at least within next 12 hours (BTW gonna watch M-1 Global with Fedor Emelianenko soon) :) Also I don't drink vodka (can't afford even a bottle for my poor income :()

Exactly. This is our main interest there.

Is they even get close to the Russian military base they will be attacked with 100% grantee. So the question is... do the US and "allies" want to start a nuclear war with Russia because of Syria?

1) 7th economic in the world.
2) The country which can destroy the life on the planet can not be called "regional power" by default.

I can bet that clown don't know that there are different time zones in the world.

Hahaha.. yeah, Russia will start a nuclear war over a failed, terrorist micro-state.

It's like watching 3rd graders talk about whose dad can kick whose dads ass... as if the dads care.

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Another ass-clown here? How many times should I repeat that Russia has no other weapon against the US aircraft carriers except the nuclear one. So if any Russian military unit will be attacked by the US aircraft carrier, it (the carrier) will be nuked (this is not a theme for fun or discussion, it's just a raw action algorithm). Will it turn into a global nuclear war or not? Not to hard to guess, right?

Why don't you understand why don't you understand that the chance of the next "Caribbean crisis" is much more possible than 20-30 years ago.

You believe Russia is going to attempt to destroy the planet because a boat gets attacked? Why are they moving around unescorted and defenseless ships? Why are they so incompetent that they can't defend themselves against attack without nuclear weapons?

Are Russians really that insane... or is it just you? You just admitted Russia is pretty impotent militarily, so why would you even believe they could successfully launch a nuclear missile AND hit a target?

You keep pointing to space shuttle explosions... do we need to point out that the Russians tried to copy the space shuttle and failed? Ever been to Moscow? Park Gorkova... its parked right there for children to play on... the only real use its ever seen.

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Are you that stupid, or can't you read my English? Russia is not going to start a war, but it will attack with nuclear weapon any US aircraft carrier in case if it will attack Russian units with any (read: non-nuclear weapon). This is not "what I think". It's just an algorithm. This is not a matter of choice or something like that.

hehe yea the difference is ours actually flew and went into space.. :winkwink:

http://www.k26.com/buran/assets/images/comparison.jpg

Shit happens and things blow up but for him to act as if the US space shuttle wasn't successful just shows he's grasping at straws. With out the US space shuttle that space station that is up there now would have never been built.

Ok any evidence of these drills? Haven't seen anything about that.

So the UN, which includes virtually every country on the planet, is going to help start or somehow aid world war 3? Then after it has finished collecting or controlling all the weapons and hold them? Then what?

Back to Russia thing, Russia wants the UK to oversee the political process, if they have deployed ships torwards Syria, they are probably just trying to protect themselves, or put a political boundry between Syria and the US.

Russia said, they want and need to take action but they wanted to do it politically. They have also urged both sides in Syria to drop their weapons, stop the fighting and the sort the problem out.

I wouldn't even be thinking of a Russia Vs US story going on here, couldn't be more wrong or further off from something like that happening. Russia has a good Relationship with the rest of Europe and even the US these days. Nuclear war is nothing but a scare tactic being used by governments.

Fuck Syria, Fuck NATO, fuck Assad, Putin and Obama.

FEDOR IS BACK :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

BTW, it was a real pleasure for my ears to hear how loud Putin was hissed off by the public in Moscow when has tried to improvise a speech after Fedor's win at M-1 Global Moscow. LOL ))))

Oh... its "an algorithm" - Didn't know you knew the launch codes. My bad.

First of all my Russian friend, let me just say... thats a good word for you. Algorithm. Good for you. Second of all, i sincerely doubt there are protocols for a nuclear response to an attack on a carrier even though the Russian military and its leadership is still old guarde and psycho, nor would that fall under their rules of engagement, created before moving the ship into position. Thirdly, a nuclear response would require the approval of the President (i.e. Putin since your president is just a puppet), lastly there is no reason at all to think the US is going to attack a Russian aircraft carrier for any reason at all unless you are 10 years old.

i love these threads...

Yes it's your bad. RTFM dude. There is no "launch codes" for tactical nuclear weapon (the one which is intended to be used against aircraft carriers, e.g. SS-N-19 "Shipwreck" go and compare their specs with TLAMs etc)

Let me tell you one secret, my little friend. Putin is also just a puppet. If you believe he really dose rule the country, I just feel sorry for you. Clueless is a bless :)

Once again fuck it all! :)

You really seem like you want nuclear war. Why is that? Why are you so angry for a Russian? It always seems that Russians are drunk, scamming and angry and slamming the rest of the world for anything and everything while talking about their own greatness... which the world cares nothing about.

Did you know the entire planet does not know or care who Pushkin is?
Did you know the entire planet did not ever consider Moscow to be the "Capital of the World"
Did you know your entire military is feared by absolutely no one?
Did you know that had the price of oil not went through the roof in the last decade, Russia would still be a bankrupt nation, still begging the international community for money and still funding the government with ponzi schemes like the GKO bonds?


Was your father a military officer that ended up with no pension and had to whore out his troops to dig ditches for construction companies?

It's funny how different Russians are from other CIS states. The others are quietly going about their lives and being happy while Russia was often pounding its chest with one hand and holding out the other for international loans and financial aid