menshe znaesh, krepche spish

No I don't. I just tried to explain some redneck that military guys are not politicians or GFY keyboard ninjas. They are acting according to the simple instructions. Fortunately the US government is not that stupid as you and they understand these simple things :)

Once again: fuck them all. I'm in a very good mood now :)

lol did you get your ration of vodka? :winkwink:

Right.. you are saying that you have inside knowledge to the fact that their current rules of engagement state that if they are fired upon or attacked in any way, shape or form (presumably this also includes direct and indirect threats and/or harassment), they should launch tactical nukes in response.

You know that because you are probably a high ranking military FSB official or at least the first officer in command of the ship? Or maybe you are in the Kremlin right now shuttling around high level communications between Putin and the ship? Are you an embassy official passing translating high level messages between the White House and Kremlin/US Embassy in Moscow?

Dude you are trying to argue with a certified moron. As proven in many threads, Squealer has little to no reading comprehension skills and often contradicts his own posts within a thread :1orglaugh

Really man, there is no point in arguing with this twit because in his mind he is always "winning" ;)


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Idiot, Chechnya is a part of Russia and the Chechen "soldiers" are (were) actually terrorists hidding in the mountines and fighting as partisans, attacking small Russian villages and killing people. There were several hundreds of them, not just a handful.

Smart ass, can you tell me how come American army has not been able to kill all the terrorists in Afghanistan with all the helicopters, soldiers, rockets etc they have??? Arent those just poorly armed guys with AK-47s??

"Uneducated" ..LOL What you wrote just shows how stupid and UNEDUCATED you are.

are we still paying for them to dismantle their old fleet/nuclear facilities

Rose d'Anjou if it really does matter :)

+1 for SpicyM post...
show me different beetween Chechen "brave rebels"

http://true-war.clan.su/_fr/0/0160848.jpg

and Iraqui "fucking terrorists"?

http://busam.bahcesehir.edu.tr/rapor...kcalismasi.jpg

.. or the great Lybia rebels , to that effect ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://media.cleveland.com/world_imp...0bb90b2259.jpg

http://fisabilillah2.files.wordpress...pg?w=200&h=114

there is no god but allah :)

You could get rich opening up a RebelGap or Old Tangos clothing line store in some of these countries.

Check out our hot cargo pants with special grenade clip ons or this seasons hottest para military style combat vest, with extra pockets for all your AK ammo clips.

I guess chechen terrorists don't have such good tan from sun like others? Please add some more great democracy fighters in Bosnia armed and supported by "west".

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/sav..._files/011.jpg

And don't forget Kosovo:

http://www.ex-yupress.com/evnovosti/...ladecapit1.jpg

The USA already tried to kiss Islamists in Afghanistan and they got 9/11 (nobody was surprised actually). Now they are playing the same game in Iraq, Egypt, Tunis, Libya and Syria. I can't predict how long it will take before next 9/11, but Israel is the first one in the line already.

Is there anybody who knows why Obama supports extreme Islamists all around the World?

One answer is...they have safe haven in Pakistan. They come across the border...do their thing...and retreat back across the border.

Because it is simple. Divide and conquer. Those islamists are non educated and primitive enough that you can always activate them and make problem in some region. At the other hand, you can always attack them since they will never make serious organized army. How can islamist state of Libya can be better then Ghadafi organised state with banking system,schools,hospitals, development for example? It can't of course. If some region or country don't obey to USA order, they will activate shit there with muslims (example FYROM Macedonia, or Ra?ka area in Serbia or Medveđa also).

i thought you were talking about the US and Afghanistan there for a minute.

what the fuck is wrong with you dutch people?

Yeah,... i'm an idiot.

Chechnya pushed Russia out and gained independence RECOGNIZED BY RUSSIA in the first war.

You think i'm dumb?

Really?

You don't know your own fucking history?

Handfuls of fighters with small arms and sniper rifles crushed the Russian army and forced them out and forced Russia to accept and legally recognize their independence.

The whole idea of terrorists hiding in Chechnya was just Putins way of getting elected again being appointed Prime Minister by Yeltsin 6 months before the elections. His only real immediate promise to Russia was to take Chechnya back.... then magically, all these small border skirmishes started happening. As far as attacking small villiages etc... uhm... yeah. There were most likely legit attacks in some form. I know plenty of people from that region. However, there was also a massive and obvious propaganda campaign by the Russian government to over state the magnitude of what was happening. I mean fuck man, Russians don't even believe that shit. Laughable non stop news reports about massive border firefights, but no signs of wounded people, exploded vehicles, dead fighters etc. The apartment building bombings in Moscow.. then the bomb found in Kazan apartment building where local police and KGB said it was just for practice. The Russian government is so bad at propaganda its unreal. They don't even try to make shit believable.

All the real terrorism in and from the region, including pankisi gorge etc started after the second war had already been under way and continued after the war (Nord Ost, plane bombings etc)

So thanks for the history lesson...

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I guess that this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_...hostage_crisis ,was also propaganda by Russians, right?

I mentioned that in my post dumbass. That has nothing to do with the first war and Chechnya or the second.

Nice try.

Everyone understands that radical Islam got worse after 9/11 and I was in Moscow while this was happening. That also has nothing to do with Russia being humiliated in Chechnya in 2 wars where their entire military might was brought to bear on the nation and still took 2 wars and 1/2 a decade of fighting to only gain some control.

Further, people can compare it to Afghanistan. NATO/US are not surrounding capital cities like Grozny leveling the entire city with artillery either.

It was years of this below... that allowed Russia to finally gain control of Chechnya again... not great military skill and advanced weapons and tactics.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w-hOOOVUa6...25281%2529.jpg

I am avoiding to read post by someone stupid like you ,with even more stupid avatar, that's why I've overlooked. If terrorists demand was to withdraw russians from Checenya, how you can even say that it is not related to war in Checenya...anyway,if you are taking about military skill and tactics like it is something easy , why NATO is still fighting in Afghanistan and didn't do anything in Iraq (except killing at least 500 000 more people then Russians did in checenya). Most stupid sentence about islamists started doing worse after 9/11 is separate story . Yes, they did many terrible things in Balkans for example, (with US help of course) much before 9/11.(some US presidents even have monuments now for helping them out). Problem is that you never heard about it but that doesn't change anything, you arrogance and lack of information are constant and I am sure it will be like that forever.

And about US army not doing things like leveling cities, let me tell you what they do because I live in a place where they did it: when they see that they can't win against military resistance, then things like bombing markets with cassette bombs will start. But that's just one example, trains full of people, columns of refugees,even completely civilian parts of town will be bombed as revenge for not being successful to fight back (not to mention deliberate destruction of civil infrastructure and industry). Now, I can give you videos and photos for any of those astrocities, but I won't because It won't change anything. If you want to know, you will find it by yourself. As from previous experinces, typing shit like this waste of time so I don't know why I am doing it at all.

Why do you keep trying to turn the subject from Russians history of military ineptitude to the USA in Afghanistan?

I mean, I don't blame you for trying... but Afghanistan is hardly the topic of discussion.

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Russia and China have nukes, but Texas has Chuck Norris.

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Yes they are. Radical Islam didn't get worse after 9/11, what happened was Americans went to their homes and tried to kill them there. That's where the violence came from, it wasn't from radical Islam. It wouldn't have mattered if those people were atheists, Christians or Jews, they all would have reacted in the same way.

Village in Afghanistan before and after.

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/201...2162639263.jpg

And the US is still fighting in Afghanistan. Don't pretend like Americans are somehow tougher than the Russians, Russia would wipe its ass with America in a land war, your average American soldier is a little bitch when you compare him with your average Russian soldier.

The US seems to be okay with the idea of starting a nuclear war over a failed terrorist micro-state, Israel.

What does the US have to do with Chechen terrorism in Russia, against Russians?

I know full blown retards capable of more intelligent debate

It was 2:45am, I was going to bed. Its clear that someone doesnt understand time zones, but its not me.

My point is, that a nuke is a nuke. You were bragging about launching 16 at a time, big deal. You going to launch 16 at an aircraft battle group? No. You're not going to do anything.

You came into a thread about Russian warships moving to Syria, and we are all like, so what who cares about Syria. You can have it. Then you're going on and on about nukes and subs and space shuttles and insulting your customers. Over Syria. Have you lost your mind?

This is like talking to little kids. Goodbye.

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Don`t really know, but you brought it up ( post # 9 ):

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=18571960&postcount=9


So you should be able to explain, unless it is just another silly rant on your part

It doesn't matter to me what failed - it failed. And this was like the third rocket launch in the past few months that's failed?

No, it doesn't.

(news link)

When they say "large scale conventional attack" they mean invasion of mother Russia.

Very typical for you. Should I continue any discussion after the statement above? PERIOD.

First of all, I am not Russian so I dont know why do you talk about knowing my own history. So yeah, I think you are DUMB.

Secondly.. What exactly did you just try to say retard? You blamed Russian army for not being able to kill a handful of Chechens and I said its the same as why Americans still chase such poorly armed terrorists in Afghanistan. The difference is, that Americans armed those terrorists 30 years ago, idiot.

So what is your point here??

As for you claiming that Chechcen terrorists is a myth created by Russian government, you are another stupid conspiracy theorist, just like those claiming the 9/11 was an inside job.

Here is a video describing your handful of Chechens and their tactics.

!!WARNING!! THIS VIDEO IS A BRUTAL THROAT-CUTTING SCENE - THIS GUY BELIEVES THOSE ARE A "HANDFUL" OF CHECHEN TERRORISTS - JUST A MYTH CREATED BY PUTIN.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=315_1313176550

I am sure that you will now claim those were actually hired and paid by Putin :321GFY

How about the school in Beslan or Dubrovka threatre in Moscow? Moscow metro bombings? All of these were inside jobs right?

The discussion is about the Russians military capability. Not about Afghanistan (although we could go into that and how they kicked the shit out of the Soviet Union with bolt action rifles and horses.. but i'll not go there)

The reference to Chechnya was simple. Russia threw their entire military at Chechnya for the first war and were forced to withdraw in defeat grant them independence. Simple as that. A band of poorly armed, poorly trained, poorly organized Chechen fighters pushed out the entire Russian military. That's all.

As for terrorism... i'll repeat everything again. You are bringing up shit that happened AFTER the second Chechen war. The premise for the second war was their so called attacks on neighbors, not "terrorism". It evolved into "terrorism" as that became the popular theme and as Chechens actually eventually started committing terrorist acts.

Finally, since you guys want ot keep bringing it up, the difference between Russian and Chechnya and the USA and Afghanistan is that the USA has not been defeated or pushed out of Afghanistan. The USA is rebuilding Afghanistan while dealing with small pockets of resistance that more often than not get crushed every time they come out to play.

No that is not all. You are stupid and thats the problem. Russians did not use the whole military, if you believe that 70 000 men are the whole russian military, you sir are retarded.

As for the band of poorly armed fighters.. the video I posted shows clearly those are not poorly armed guys. They were supported by Islamic countries and according to Wikipedia, there were up to 30 000 of them, including irregular fighters. Not a handful.

Russia did not succeed the first war as it became unpopular and caused many civillian casualities, not because they did not have the forces to do it! They could have easily wiped the whole Chechnya if they wanted. It was similiar to what USA did in Vietnam. But in this case, there were ethnic Russians in Chechnya so they also bombed their own people, own land.

I never said that terrorism caused the first war or second war, so you better learn to read. I just said that the terrorists and the Chechen "soldiers" were the same guys.

Claiming there were not terrorist actions during the firsts war?.. you are again wrong, just read the wikipedia:

Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis
The Budyonnovsk hospital hostage crisis took place from 14 June to 19 June 1995, when a group of 80 to 200 Chechen terrorists led by Shamil Basayev attacked the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk

Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye hostage crisis
he Kizlyar-Pervomayskoye hostage crisis, known in Russia as the terrorist act in Kizlyar was a guerrilla raid conducted by Chechen separatists in January 1996 during the First Chechen War. It soon turned into a massive hostage crisis involving thousands of civilians.

Lol at the Afghanistan, they had weapons from USA to easily bring down Russian helicopters and once again, its proven that Americans have had troubles getting all the "terrorists on horses" killed after years of occupation.

Now thats all.

And these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger, not to mention the rest of the billions of dollars in arms and training we supplied the Afghan mujahideen militants.

Boy, you must be 18 years old or something. We poured millions of dollars into Afghan resistance to Soviets with Stingers and modern weaponry. You are so full of shit. Now they are fighting with those ak-47 and whats left over and we still can't get rid of they. And no-one will. British tried it, Soviets tried and we will leave the same way they did. Those people are born to fight. If there isn't a foreigner, they will fight each other.
You are an idiot. :2 cents:

Poorly trained my ass. Look at bios of chechen leaders. Most of them were top ranking generals in old Soviet Union and had well trained mercenaries as their assistants. Chechens were left with all military equipment soviets had in that region and had full supply of weapons. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, kid. :2 cents:
Russians could have bombed the shit out of them with migs but "western democracies" would have gone apeshit about it.

Attention Idiots: US and Russia will never have a nuke party. The very simple fact is both sides know the other side has more than enough firepower to remove each others country completely from earth. For one to fire on the other is the equivalent of suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction