This is where the "against" side twists things. No matter what happens, the protesters will resist. That's why they are there, sitting down with their arms locked. That's why they are refusing to comply with the administration of the campus and with the police. They have openly declared and are demonstrating that they will refuse to obey any lawful command by an officer as well as resist arrest (two additional illegal acts).

So, one can't make the argument that force won't be used. Proportionate will NEVER be an argument accepted by those against the police because the protesters cause the escalation of force used. Once it requires physical force to break people apart and take them down and cuff them, everyone is still going to talk about the brutality of the officers and how everyone was just sitting there minding their own business.

It's Lose/Lose for police no matter what the outcome is unless they refuse to do their jobs completely.

:2 cents:


Again, i don't disagree with everyone's frustration or that they want to protest and all that. I personally feel its a little disingenuous to act shocked when the police do their jobs after countless warnings and giving everyone every opportunity to avoid it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...-put-on-leave/

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_d...20111121&fc=10

what choice did the police have:

1 give the protesters squatting rights

There's 10,000 other students and lecturers etc. using the University too!

2 water cannon

3 TAZERS

4 by force with batons / guns

Looks brutal, but Capsicum is a moderate way to Quell situations with near Zero long term injuries

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You are arguing that unnecessary force was used. Now whether or not officers are on paid leave while an investigation is conducted... which is very standard.

What level of force is necessary? Clearly, they have to get physical with them and they will continue to resist. What level of force is necessary?

Right wingers notoriously love it when cops abuse people and will defend it to the bitter end. They love watching others suffer, whether its from dropping bombs, denying them medical care, or cops bashing someones head in. Misery certainly does love company.

Here's a free piece of advice!

If you see this happening you don't sit around!

You fucking BOLT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION!

Left wingers are notoriously irrational and illogical and respond with emotionally charged, rambling and irrational rants rather than a well reasoned, well defended argument.

:2 cents:

Well reasoned and well defended argument :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You are ruining the liberal narrative, you are making too much sense.

Oh yea, we love Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Hitler.. our National Socialist heroes.

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:Oh crap

:helpme

BTW, the "administrative action" against Police Leut. John Pike is just a damage control PR stunt.

Expect more Capsicum if you attempt to take control of govt. public property!

Has it ever occurred to you that they were circled by the mob around them? No, that's too far fetched, right? Read into it what you will, in fact why don't you take your ass down there and protest with them.

What's the other side of the story? It's hard to believe they would spray them just for the fun of it. It looks like they are deliberately trying to block something. Was it private property and were they refusing to move?

Wow, could they be any more stereotypical hippies? There's a lot of granola and Starbucks latte's that have passed through those mouth holes. Even though I agree with the general idea of these protests, I just want to smash each of them in the face with a canoe for being such fucking hippies.

I had some of that stuff come back into my face when I sprayed someone with it on a windy day. Even blowback from it is enough to put you out of commission for a good ten minutes from coughing and not being able to see through the water in your eyes.

Pepper spray isn't anywhere as bad as Tear gas. That sucked ass.

yeah well tear gas has been used in multiple cities as well as rubber bullets, clubs and sonic weapons.

is this america or china, iran or north korea?

Have you ever been seen by a shrink? You have some serious anger issues.

Standard tactical manoeuvre, blind your enemy moments before you attack!

If it was China, Iran, North Korea, or 1943 Germany as these protestors are all screaming - They'd all be shot and killed.

Try watching the entire video instead of one screen capture

The children were told to remove their tents.
The children were told to leave the area.
The children were told they would be arrested.
The children were told they would be pepper sprayed.

The children were pepper sprayed, the children were arrested, the children left the area in handcuffs, and the children had their tents removed. Children will be children.

Whatcha crying about now protester? :karaoke :sadcrying

lets just believe for a second they were encircled by a mob and they were indeed scared..

why would you pepper spray the only people sitting on the ground not moving ? wouldn't common sense say to pepper spray the people doing the "encircling"

The larger problem is, you should not need a permit to protest, so long as you are on public property, or your own.

I know in this case it was private property, but I'm speaking generally. Public property in any city, at any time, should be fair game for a protest.

He's right. Americans definitely always settle for law and order over chaos.

The Boston Tea Party was a shining example of law and order over chaos.:winkwink:

Squealer is a genius and is always right.

:1orglaugh Anyway, back to reality. The students where all wearing jackets. It was a cool day in the mid 50's [Fahrenheit]... water would have been a lot more humane. Sitting there soaking wet from water in that temperature for too long and the protesters could look forward to a nasty cold as a result.

But using pepper spray against defiant, seated arm-lockers... THOSE OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL LAWLESS STUDENTS!!... I could see why the police felt so threatened. I am surprised with the intelligence shown by typical American police these days that the video did not show a student losing his head to a .20 gauge shotgun blast after raising up a deadly weapon in a threatening manner (holding a school book in front of him to shield against the pepper spray)

I am going to start celebrating when it heats up in America from the tension. There is a lot more on the horizon in consideration of the economy and gross misconduct of government policy makers, and the first video we see on youtube showing a cop in riot gear getting his head stomped in will be a day I have a big smile on my face.

Correct me if I am wrong, people can no longer enjoy clove cigarettes in the US because some minor (under 18) MIGHT enjoy the flavor after scoring one in violation of US laws pertaining to cigarette sales to minors? Waaaaahahaha, America is the laughing stock of the planet these days.

People are missing a lot of background info on this UC Davis situation, and making general anti-protester remarks which are off base.

The students had a scheduled, permitted, organized protest a week earlier to this at the same place, where police violently beat protesters AND teachers. People got seriously hurt.

The students were there protesting police brutality from a week earlier.

Well the people in the video surrounding the police all looked like photographers and people holding video cameras. FAR TOO DANGEROUS for even the police to go up against a well armed out of control mob like that! :1orglaugh

Typical PIG!

It would not surprise me if protesters start arming themselves in the future if shit like this continues.

Really? You are pointing to a time where there was no America and an event in a British Colony as an example of "Americans"?


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The reason for rules and laws is to protect EVERYONES rights, including those who might be affected by the protest adversely.

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You're good. Can you also try and argue why SOPA is good?

Some soups are good. Some not so good. Could you be more specific?

No, you should have a permit to protest on public property. Public property belongs to everyone, not just a small group of protesters. It has little to do with protesting and everything to do with everyone being able to use public space fairly.

For example, we have a very large park here in my hometown - football field, baseball diamonds, picnic area, play area, pool, and a public hall. On weekends parents arrive early to stake and out "occupy" picnic tables for birthday parties - There's only a dozen of them, and it's first come first serve. There should really be some kind of permit process in place so this is fair to everyone.

The local city union employees union went on strike in my hometown recently. They protested outside of city hall, which was appropriate. Every morning from 9am until noon they walked around with their signs. The city assigned a single police officer to the picketing, which was comical - because the cop just sat around drinking coffee with them. They didn't need to link arms and prevent the general public from entering city hall; They still got their message across.

Protest all you want. Just relax a little. Get your message across without stupidity.

Oh, don't let facts spoil the DRIBBLING FUCKING SPACKTARDS fun!

Its always funny to see tea party supporters who are about limited government argue about how you should need a permit to protest. Irony.

People need govts permission to protest against the govt....the twisted logic of batshit crazies.

In a way, that is kind of twisted. It's kind of like saying "We want to protest the government to complain, but we have to tell the government we plan on doing this in advance".