you know you got a good thread when the photochops start

not to discount what you said but i am pretty sure this was on a campus, not public property but private property , and one that i imagine the students had paid to be on, makes it a bit different scenario

that just sounds like sheep talk.


Lets take a hypothetical situation, you are having a birthday party in a local park with 20-30 friends, a group of armed police suddenly show up and say "disperse this riot now or you will be pepper sprayed" ..

Would you run to your car or would you say "hey i think you have made a mistake , this is just a birthday party".

Lets imagine you chose the latter like 99% of people would :) and then got pepper sprayed.. would you say the pepper spraying was justified simply because the officer warned you and no consideration for the facts of what happened matter ?

the response of the students... fantastic.. just an utter cold rejection

she's toast

Only if you call me big daddy while I do it!

here's some free advice that will keep you alive :)

don't do any BOLTING around armed people..

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i wonder what our founding fathers would have done if there was cops telling them not to continue with the revolution

LOL

How would you remove that someone without using force? If he refused to leave.
Those cops clearly stated and warned that if they won't leave you will be sprayed and removed. What else could they do?

Ok I see someone explained it before me:

Explained in perfect order, whats not to get?

That wasn't a warning it was an imminent notice.

Your example is too skewed to be serious.

You don't have the right to argue law in the field with police, it's their call.

If you are given opportunity to leave, pending arrest otherwise then your only legal right is to either leave or argue in court while wearing prison greys.

It's *not* RIGHT WING to enforce authority.

There is a THIN LINE between your LIBERTY and LOSING MOST ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS.

If you get caught smoking a joint THEN you can be stripped naked every day of the week and ordered where to sit, stand and lie down for 5 years, and gassed to sleep in your cell IN PRISON

You guys are sweating the small stuff, pitching tents where you like and dishing it out to police is nobodies right.

I do not understand why some of you use that "paid to be on" argument. They paid tuition but they did not get permission to camp on the property. In this scenario property owner asked them to stop camping. If you are student there you do not get the rights to do whatever you want on that property just because you paid tuition. Tuition does not include camping. And Property owner was right to ask them to leave.

because they did..
i didn't see anyone camping or any scenario that looked like an attempt to enforce no camping rules.
then you stop them from camping.. you are aware of parking rules , but you would be hard pressed to find someone who expects to be tear gassed for it. normally we remove the car
nobody suggested or insinuated this was the case in any way whatsoever..

false , he can tell them to stop camping , he can't make them leave as they have paid to be there, he can make them stop camping.. that is what should have been done..

warning , notice whatever..
it wasn't meant as an analogy just a question..
of course you do.. you prob won't be very successful but it is your duty not to be bound by unlawful action
that isn't the debate , it is the pepper spraying.

huh ?:Oh crap

you're not making any sense!

the police ASKED THEM TO REMOVE THEIR TENTS

just like you are saying what they should have done!

This is your idea of Utopia:

POLICEMAN: THIS IS NOT A CAMPING AREA, PLEASE REMOVE YOUR TENTS

STUDENT: NO!

POLICEMAN: OK THEN, WOULD YOU LIKE SOME MARSHMELLOWS?

Don't be stupid. The police cannot order me to do such a thing. But if your creating a nuisance, disturbing the peace they can in fact tell you to leave and it's a perfectly legal order. This was a dispute between the children and the school, and the police told them to remove the tents and vacate the area - and the children refused.

I'm sure she's appalled. Her salary is paid for by these children.

I wonder if she was the one who made the decision to demand to the tents be taken down.

this had nothing to do with the tents, the tents were removed long before this. :)

these people are sitting on ground blocking the sidewalk nothing more, they are not sittin in tents.

in fact, the articles claim "the officers were surrounded" but you can easily tell by video, there is no circle anymore, they are in a single line across the walkway entrance to school, no tents, no circle.

And suddenly the conversation had little to do with tents and more to do with smores:1orglaugh

I feel another bad photochop coming on;)

Btw, some great looking logos on your site, will have to have you do something as soon as i figure out what it is!

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It's public properly, owned by the state of California. However, that does not give you the right to pitch a ten and do whatever the fuck you please.

In other words, I can't drive my car on the grass and park it there. It's public property, owned by the state, but that does not give me the right to do whatever the fuck I want there. You can't park on the grass, and you can't pitch tents.

Perfect analogy. The local park in my home town has ten picnic tables, and during the summer these are staked out by parents early in the morning so they can have their kids birthday parties there. The problem is there are more birthday parties than tables, and fist fights started breaking out - Four times this summer. Police were called up, and told all of them to leave or face being arrested.

Why don't you understand this: When police are called to a dispute and tell you to leave the area, that's a legal order. If you fail to obey them, your quickly on the wrong side of the law no matter what - You can start with trespassing, failure to obey a police officer, and creating a nuisance. At that point they can arrest you, and if you resist arrest you'll be taken down by force - including pepper spray.

This has nothing to do with protesting. The cops didn't come to break up a protest; The came because the college called them because the students were out of control and failed to listen to the administration. The cops came to the dispute, the children refused to listen, and the children got arrested.

It doesn't matter if it's children on a college campus or grown adults arguing over picnic tables in the local park.

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there's a lot of different accounts, the reports, the tents, the ownership of the property is not that important.

the students were

1/ nuisance
2/ disturbance
3/ trespassing
4/ loitering
5/ interfering with public access
6/ disrupting University work

Take your pick!

as well as not abiding by the University ethos

The police were rightfully called in and had the right to disperse the students.

If you remove the authority of police you live in anarchy.

It's like grabbing a kitten by the back of the neck, pepper spray SAVED any injuries from happening.

It was either that or going in with batons, or the law just lying down.

"Sorry Chancellor, the students said no they're going to block access to the University anyway, we asked!"

The kids were camping on the college campus. This is why they the police were called in the first place.

If you park your car on the fucking grass and are told to remove it by the police, and then refuse to move it... Your gonna be arrested. And if you link arms with everyone else in the car and resist arrest, your gonna be pepper sprayed.

The college can in fact tell them to leave. Just because the students pay tuition, it doesn't give them the right to do whatever they want. They can't walk into any classroom they want. It does not give them the right to camp out on campus, fornicate under the bleachers, or park your car on the grass.

At this point this incident had nothing to do with the college. Police were called to the campus because of a dispute; At this point it was a legal matter. If police are called to the your local Best Buy because your making a scene and the police tell you to leave, it doesn't matter that it's public property. Your either leaving or going to jail.

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sorry dude, but hard to resist;)


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hey look, a circle with officers surrounded.

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Welcome to planet Syria!

No. The cops say, "Please remove your tents and vacate the area"; to which the protestors say "No!". Son of a bitch! Respect my authoritah!

Then the highly trained law-enfocement agent (ROFL!) calmly writes a number of tickets for a variety of bylaw infractions, and the whole thing is sorted out in court at a later date. But, no...

Stupid, idealistic people arbitrarily get pepper-sprayed in the face, and your property taxes go up because the municipality that this happened in has a shitload of out-of-court settlements to deal with.

A Message From The Mayor Of Your City:
All you conservatives and tea-baggers DO realize that the cops are union members, right? There's nothing more socialist than a union.

The only thing worse than a lazy unwashed hippy punk socialist, is a fat, entitled unionized socialist punk with a uniform, a gun, and a badge.

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This is way too fun:1orglaugh


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wait, where the tents at? ;)

LOL

Really? You said there was no circle and officers were not surrounded. You're wrong completely. The tents were removed but THAT has NOTHING to do with the students that all sat and locked themselves in that circle and refused to leave who were chanting "Fuck the police" among other things.

The police that came at them with pepper spray, were not the ones on the inside of the circle, it was ones that came up the sidewalk from outside of the circle.

Its all pretty clear if you actually did watch the video.

I know that actual facts are a bit bothersome.

obviously youre taking this quite seriously.

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looks to me its not even full circle, looks like its broken on both sides and its mostly just bystanders sitting and people looking at the cops, not really a full circle imo. this can be shown by the fact the ones in front camera face outward, whereas all people in back are facing inwards. LOL

you can see in the video and pics that its quite obviously a full circle. Not that I care, it was just odd watching you say something completely different than what the video and pictures clearly document.

:2 cents:

:1orglaugh Tebow makes his own deadly circle...of victory!

i didnt say it was never a circle, admittedly i watched the vid once read a article and went back to working on ads all day lol no, i didnt study the angles like JFK assasination video, but people are in here saying they were sprayed for tents etc,... there is no tents either.

it may have been a circle at one time but as the event wound down people dismantled tents and then watched with cameras in hand at cops... no one was attacking them or anything, all this talk of tents and private property is irrelevant its about SPRAYING students in face with chemicals that burn people and cause severe skin irritation and/or inflammation reactions for sitting on sidewalk.

spit on a cop, sure, id say mace your ass. really... but these people were not doing anything.

I don't know man, that looks like a pretty intimidating circle to me judging by the faces of those fearsome protestors;)

Those two on the right are particularly menacing :1orglaugh

I am scared by the chick in the grey hoodie;)


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I was simply correcting his re-imagining of the actual events and circumstances. Not saying the protesters look dangerous or trying to break down and analyze the structural integrity of the circle.

:1orglaugh so naturally now the pepper spraying cop is a meme-
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truth is, none of us were there and rely on a few pictures, some vids and media. :2 cents:

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lolol

And in all seriousness what those cops did was completely uncalled for.

Any decent cop will tell you that "if you are met with force you respond with force" and in all of these videos/pics there is no indication that any of those students was using force against any officer when the cops sprayed them.

The truth of it is, there is a full video that documents the entire thing from start to finish on youtube. I know because I watched it.

sorry, i'm goin' meme crazy ahaha

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i didn't say they weren't..

no you won't, your car would be towed.
resisting arrest would imply they tried to arrest you and you resisted , i saw no such thing take place.

again , nobody implied or suggested anything differently..



except for the fact it was on a college , college students and college police .. besides that sure.. lol
this isn't a best buy and nobody pays tuition to best buy, furthermore nobody lives at a best buy.

If your dorm is on school property you have a right to be there as you have likely paid rent, the school cannot just ask you to leave just as your landlord couldn't ask you to leave if you had paid rent..

You could however be expelled for breaking school rules, that is all that should have happened here.. the cops should have removed the tents and given them all tickets, if the school feels the violation is ground for expulsion then thats what they should do..

It's a university. There are protests in universities every year and nobody ever got paper sprayed before it's the corporations that were attacked.

That's the problem.

She is not hired by the students and there were not that many people in the video. Maybe 100, tops?

It is a full circle and if you stop to look at it, it looks more like they are all facing the same direction, as if they had a speaker they were listening to, or photographers they were posing for.

Did you ever watch the video I posted earlier?

For those that missed it. It is 15 minutes long, so it includes before backup arrived. There is no doubt that this was a crowd of 300-400 people all encircling about 10 cops. About 5 minutes in backup arrives and the crowd disperses on one side of the sidewalk, except the kids that decided they were not going to move.

I have a feeling they will the next time.

think there was a rally today there of 3-4 thousand.

sure they can.. the police can order you to do anything they want.. when you follow them blindly it makes you a sheep.


once again you must be watching the wrong video , there are no children there..

although a tad sad you would call college students "children" when you sell porn with girls of the same age.. :disgust

if those 20+ yo students are children what is this ? ch_____ porn ?
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I have a feeling they will move to, and what you will be left with are a dozen flattened cops as they are beaten into the ground by 300 pissed off people who are beyond the whole peaceful thing.:2 cents:

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there's a time and a place to protest.

the police tell you to move you move.

you're all brainwashed with police drama on TV every night

"I KNOW MY RIGHTS... EITHER LAY CHARGES AND ARREST ME OR I"M FREE TO DO ANYTHING I WANT"

you're all dreaming!

don't listen to logic in this thread and you'll get a can of capsicum in your face and sit in a cell with drongos for months on end. your choice!


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speaking from experience?

If the parents of this trash had adequately raised their children then none of this would have been necessary. These spoiled self-deluded mutts screaming about how the world owes them something are the result of poor parenting. :disgust

In general I agree...... except that bashing the fuck out of rioting degenerate hippie trash is basically the only legitimate function of the police. Most of what they do on a day-to-day basis is an outrage...... but maintaining public order is about the only thing they are supposed to be doing.