I know you have me on ignore and I also know you're going to click on this comment to see what it says anyhow.

I not only SELL porn I link to the fucking join page 99% of the time. Now tell me I didn't sell that surfer, just try to. :1orglaugh

You think you know what everyone is doing based on what you see a handful of people doing on GFY. You know NOTHING.

Proof please, show us your process so we can see you're not bullshitting us.

hey moron if you had even the slightest whiff how internet marketing works today you would know NO ONE is going to out their sales and landing pages so people can copy, steal and sabotage. in fact posting someones page on some mainstream boards will get you banned.

you don't care because you sites only exist as an example of how not to market, but do you really thing he's going to out his techniques?

get a clue retard.

Apples and hammers, no comparison, Bestbuy does sell TV's.

Please show us how well your impossibly shitty sites convert Paul. Show us some hard data so its not just bullshit talk.

Prove you know how to sell porn. Not sell content. Not sell content to magazines, but to sell a porn membership to a surfer.

Where's the stats Paul? Where's the proof?

I never link to my pages in public but I'm going to make an exception. I've dug up the first "real" website I put up from 2004. It doesn't give away too much of my technique but still proves that I was linking to join 7 years ago. From 2001 to 2003 I pretty much used free hosts and all of that stuff has since died. I've changed some things quite a bit over the years, other techniques I still use but this will at least show him what he wants to know.

Let's take a trip down memory lane. One of my pages from 2004 can be seen on archive.org here.

http://web.archive.org/web/200406031...n/profile.html

Not my best converting stuff, this was more of a test when I first got off of free sites (angelfire, geocities, etc) where I converted 1:4 or 5 because they seemed more real to the surfers. This is also very short on content because I moved from using a few different pages to dozens / hundreds of them based off of real girls profiles on Ifriends. Before this I actually worked with the models, all of these were just pulled from the content section.

Anyhow, the archive join link won't work but if you'll look you'll see that it says:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040603193522/http://clickcash.webpower.com/SetPermanentSignupCookie.cgi?svc=IF&lang=ENGLISH&t ype=BOUNTY&mode=1&art=FREEMEMBERSHIP&acct=STOCKTRA DER23&url=https://orders.webpower.com/iFriends/viewprefmain.htm&ref=http://mysite.ifriends.net/cgi-win/$ifupload.exe

Pull out the url I linked to and you get this. Feel free to click it.

http://clickcash.webpower.com/SetPermanentSignupCookie.cgi?svc=IF&lang=ENGLISH&t ype=BOUNTY&mode=1&art=FREEMEMBERSHIP&acct=STOCKTRA DER23&url=https://orders.webpower.com/iFriends/viewprefmain.htm&ref=http://mysite.ifriends.net/cgi-win/$ifupload.exe

They changed their join page to rotate so it's ugly as shit. On my later promotions I hacked up a way to pick my favorite join page and went with the standard white one because it looked more legitimate / professional.

This is 2004, I was linking to join in 2001. I made almost $5,000 my first full week of pushing webcams and linking to the join seemed like the only reasonable way to sell it. I sold the surfer on my page and asked them to sign up. 2011 and not much has changed. I have and do link to other pages if the source of traffic or sponsor doesn't give me the options I need to effectively promote them but this is the very basic version of my selling style that I have been using successfully for 10 years minus the time I was out of the business.

Cheers

Jeff, are you old?

Almost 48

Found one from 2001 as well. Damn I let some nice domain names go. :(

Oh well, maybe Paul is taking a break and hasn't seen this yet.

This is not correct.. trust me
Content is what sells, if its placed on a tour or in a banner.. CTR means very little

I make porn sales based on my business name and site and I'm an affiliate.

You are basing your opinion on how many sales, I am basing mine on 17 million

OK won't quote the whole thing as people have read it.

What you seem to be doing it using good selling text and the sites samples.

Is the girl giving away sample biscuits, in a store, and quoting the sales phrases selling?

Because that seems to me what you do. Obviously promoting a 1 to 1 experience like a webcam doing this is a good way. Were they signing up to a free membership or a paid membership?

If they signed up to a free membership which encouraged them down the line to buy. Then you're not IMO selling. Except selling them to take the next step for free.

What makes a person "Sold" on buying the porn?

The words or the content? I know words are also content, buy is it the written words or the visual samples?

IMO after all the years of promising satisfaction in the text and it not coming good in the porn. I feel words are no longer enough. Stocktrader's text is good FAB text.

Alara is a natural beauty, [FONT="Arial"]and just looking at her gets me all wet! Luckily she's bi like me so she knows how to really get me off. :)~[/FONT] Don't worry, she likes guys too and I'm sure she'll give you a show you won't soon forget.

Still, is it exceptional in today's market?

To close the sale the porn content has to prove it's true. The text prepares the ground.

If he wants to prove it to me and not share it with others, we can do this privately. I'm on ICQ.

Is that people who were looking or people who went to the site?

Boom!!! LOL :)

And quoted so that little post did not slip through the cracks.


;-))

I think very few people , have seen as many joins as you , Jeff.

if you cant sell porn, having the most traffic in the world wont make you a sale.

This is not a 1:4 sales text page. It sucked in comparison, probably 1:50. My 1:4 pages are long gone from being on free hosts and me deciding to deal with more traffic and money over higher conversions.

Anyhow, at the time people were doing 1:400 on the same website. Getting a credit card out of 1:4 people, call it whatever you want, but I was closing them on the product before I sent them off. Linking to a gallery is saying "look at this naked girl!" and hoping the gallery and tour do the job I should be responsible for is what most did / do.

Affiliates/webmasters don't sell traffic, they market a product and share the revenues (either by Revshare or PPS or some form) with the site owner. If programs were paying per click and nothing more, affiliates/webmasters would be "selling traffic".

:2 cents:

if your business is not focused on marketing its not a business its a hobby.

Not everybody is capable of analyzing stats, though a lot think that they are. However, I'm getting the feeling that there was another agenda to this thread, you were fishing for someone, so I'll leave you to have fun with him :thumbsup

Not necessarily. You can send more and more to a place that makes the most from it and end up worse than when you were sending a smaller amount.

And there's a hell of a lot more to it than just sending traffic somewhere that converts it best.

Good post. :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What's better, 10k uniques doing 1:50 or 1m uniques doing 1:1000?

Ratios come into it when deciding where to send your specific traffic, not when comparing whether more traffic, or less, but more targeted, traffic is 'best'.

1:4 is still a hell of a ratio, even though it's irrelevant to what the OP is saying. Nice work :thumbsup

You know now that I think about it, of all the people who have their hand in porn online, Paul should like the [good] affiliates the most. They are an expert at showing the surfer what they want to see and create the best buying scenario possible. They are keeping porn buying alive for crying out loud!

While most program owners and TGP's etc etc just work on getting more and more traffic to throw at something and take whatever money they can get. And in the meantime annoying the surfers so much that they end up going to tubes.

in the end if you have mass traffic someone is always going to buy it and figure out a way to convert it. just like google does.

Most Affiliates run matched category websites.

No different to running a franchise business or any shop and selling the upstream product.

Eric fucks playboy chicks for a living, he probably thinks you guys holding the camera and selling videos aren't *IN THE PORN BUSINESS*

he is 100% right and if you disagree you are a fool

I could not grow my business as fast as I wanted to and maintain 1:4 ratios. I did the math and it turned out that getting much more traffic and shittier ratios would make me more money at the time so I did that. I worked with a pretty unique setup back then, all I really care to say since it's still a viable technique today. End of the day, I wanted to make as much as possible and went that direction.

To everyone that posted in the thread, thank you, agree or disagree is no matter. It was just pretty cool to see some REAL exchange of thoughts on a topic. Reminds me a bit of the original Ynot board circa 1997.

Yes, I do see the word "sell". Don't you?

Utes, actually the word sell IS in your definition. Oops.

If you want to define sell narrowly as the actual exchange of money, I suppose CCBill is the only seller. They then pay the affiliate and the program owner. Of course, by that definition a car salesman doesn't sell cars, only the finance manager does, and a real estate agent doesn't sell houses.

Actually the real estate agent is a perfect analogy - they get a percentage from the sale of someone else's house. The agent is an affiliate of the seller. Who great thinks real estate agents shouldn't try to sell houses?

If you start an interesting business topic usually a few will wander in and post.

there is an unwritten rule here on gfy that when Paul is in full on comedy mode, we dont interrupt or correct him because it will break his stride and the entertainment value for all will be greatly diminished.

:2 cents:

Sorry, he ICQ'd me then went to bed.

This is something I already know!

real traffic http://endlesstraffictap.com/

thanks for sharing helpful information guys :thumbsup

The problem is the definition of the word. Some here have a very different idea to what selling actually is. And why the person they are addressing is buying.

Selling to me means convincing someone that your product is good enough to buy it.

Some here think it's getting them interested enough to sign up for free and then later the girl they chat to on webcam gets the guy to buy.

Some think it's showing samples from a sponsor and then getting the surfer to the tour is selling, this isn't my definition of selling. It's getting them to the next step for someone else to take over the job of closing the sale.

Many firms use telephone canvassers to obtain qualified leads for the salesman to follow up. Are these canvassers selling or filtering and getting the prospective buyer to the next step for someone else to close?

According to Raymor, I'm saying the bank is the seller they're the billing company and do not sell. Accept to the seller or his employer. Twisting words to fit your ideas won't change reality.

Know what your job is and concentrate on it.

It depends on what you're selling. You can close the sale with just a banner and have them taking their wallet out as they click, or get them in the door and leave it up to the sponsor to close. Both can do just as well as the other. :2 cents:

who cares ? i try to make money...

So true.. great statement

You started this line of discussion because I linked you to a page that showed I linked to join for iFriends. I'm sorry Paul but I sold the customer on the website before I sent them off and my ratios were often 100+ times better than my competitors. There are some smart people here that did similar but ask around what the average affiliate ratio was on iFriends during the time I promoted them. Getting their credit card entered into a site was a sale for all intents and purposes. Not only that, I and many others have linked to join on almost everything we've promoted. I've already said that I don't share my websites in public just like most that do more than a few sales per week won't.

You asked me to prove that I linked to join, insinuating I was lying, and I proved that I did on one of the few sites I've had that are completely offline now. I will not link to others nor do I have to. You were making the point that affiliates just push traffic and argued when I told you that many don't, they actually work to convert it. My point proven.

Like I told you on ICQ, you know a lot about what you do / did. Why is it so hard for you to believe that I might know more about what I do than you? Have you converted 1:4 on a free credit card join ever? No, just live I've never shot and sold content to magazines. Difference is, I'm not telling you how you could have made twice as much money selling to magazines years after the fact and you shouldn't tell me how to promote something that I do a damn good job of promoting myself. If it were so easy to do better than me you and a million others would have done it / be doing it right now. I'm not the best, but I work hard to improve all the time.

I want to think you are trolling these days because the other option is that your mind is slipping. Why else would you be so bitter, confrontational and hardheaded about things you have never done? I told you I worked 20 hours per day in ICQ and you made a comment that you've never had to work 20 hours in a day in your life as if it would prove your worth to me. I like working 20 hours per day sometimes, this was my hobby and I loved every minute of it. Instead of going to the movies or getting drunk with friends I sat around trying to see how much money I could squeeze out of 1000 raw visits to my website and did it a lot better than most. I am not ashamed of that.

I would tell you to grow up but we're obviously past that point. I know you are probably old enough that you don't care to learn another thing but why even get in the discussion if you aren't open to increasing your knowledge and understanding of the topic?

Cheers

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