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Scumbags dont get along well with each other.

I like the way you think...:)

I am sure there are many guerrilla methods to get this in front of yahoo, google, bing and facebook. Glad to see .xxx is getting what they deserve. To all the peeps who spent 6 figures in purchasing xxx domains, looks like joke is on you.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Allow me to quarterback this little spat for the thinking impaired:

-ICM offers Manwin a sweet backroom bro deal, in exchange for their support during their application.

-Manwin supports ICM

-Manwin attempts to collect on what was promised.

-ICM sells them some primo names, but not all of what was promised and not at prices in the ballpark of what was promised. ICM is now "too big for their britches" and is holding out on Manwin, or trying to extort more money than what was agreed to.

-Manwin files suit, grandstands, and then settles things like a top notch bro behind closed doors.

-Industry imbeciles get out their pom-poms, thinking that the two biggest threats to their own financial livelyhood doing battle will somehow benefit them.

never :disgustmind

.XXX is Win Win Win
 

10 years of .xxx domain name, $1,000+ dollars
10 years of .com domain name, $89

Money left over to laugh at people who registered .xxx domain names in the worst market ever: $911

I think you just hit on a big point in all of this...

Manwin steps to the plate... we all don't...

Nice, programs owners should to the same. The big programs should put in their terms that they don't take traffic from .xxx domains

.xxx is a huge scam, it's payback time

I think my point was...Mansef/Manwin laid a huge fucking on everybody to begin with. We had no way to "step to the plate" because of the outdated DMCA laws.

Now they are huge. And most everybody else has watched their business destroyed. All the former "big players" were decimated by the kinds of things that Mansef/Manwin did with using all that pirated content.

You know it and I know it.

I hope that Manwin is successful in their fight against .XXX
.XXX is a huge mistake and will be the beginning of the end for the adult online business.

But make no mistake...a LOT of people who could have and would have "stepped up" in the past, no longer have the money to do so thanks in large part to what Pornhub helped do to this industry.

I hope that both Manwin and .XXX go down. And yeah...if Manwin really can do something to stop .XXX it would help me and my business. But I'm also one of the few left out here who hasn't lost their ass and/or NEED Manwin to survive.

Does .XXX mean anything to the dozens of companies who have already went out of business thanks to piracy. Nope.
Does it mean anything to the companies who were crippled and then bought out by Manwin? Nope.

So yeah...let them go at each other's throats.
In the end? I predict that this whole thing will be dropped and .XXX will GIVE Manwin all their domains in a nice backroom deal similar to what we've seen other companies do with their lawsuits AGAINST Manwin.

Now if Manwin were to actually play this to the bitter end and hurt .XXX? Then yes I would applaud that move. And I would still say that Manwin has already done a ton of damage to this industry while .xxx is theoretically in the future going to do damage.

They both suck.

Nice post Robbie :thumbsup

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Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the whole thing isn't a planned out publicity stunt by both parties. :(

I don't put anything past them.

mansef did everything legal. not much anyone could have done to stop them. guess people could have refused to sell them links when they were buying every link in existence and traffic sellers could have refused selling them traffic. although they had some big tgps/mgps as well already and could have built up their own link network as well.

i like poo....

Robbie:

Just to clear up one major misconception. We did not buyout anyone that was "crippled"... not a single company we bought was in any way crippled and no longer performing. I would have never bought it in that case. We only buy highly profitable companies. I really hope you will show up to the keynote in vegas Robbie, it will be interesting to discuss a few of these things with you if you are willing...

Regarding backroom deals... I did discuss various ways we could work together, but they were by far more than just getting our domains. I asked ICM for things that would have affected their whole business model and would have benefited the industry in general. But I can not really talk about this much because of the lawsuit. It will, I am sure, be discussed there so look out for the court transcripts. (I might talk about it a bit in my keynote in Vegas too, gotta verify how much I can before I do though)

In my opinion .XXX is unfair for us and any other company doing business online. I think it should not have been approved and I think it's even worse than all the new gTLDs that will be coming up next year. ANA and a lot of major brands seem to agree with us.

The decision to stop working with .XXX TLDs simply is a way to underline our opinion. Whoever wants to continue working with us, can always do so by using another domain as long as the site itself does not promote .XXX on it. So if iFriends wants to advertise on the tubes, they can do so using iFriends.com as long as that site does not mention iFriends.xxx anywhere.

We will not help people brand their .XXX domains to our 60 million visitors a day though and will not take traffic or ads from such domains either.

60 million visitors a day... The reason people hate manwin is because they aren't manwin.

Anybody saying otherwise is lying.

When are you going to offer your affiliates hosted FLVs for every single scene at every program you own?

You know, that would make you even more money...

Fabian, I don't need to sit at your keynote speech. I would definitely sit down over a beer though and hear what you have to say.

I hope your keynote address goes well. I have zero idea how you would have much to say that could actually be of any use. But then again...few of the people who have ever spoke at these things have said anything that made any money for anyone.

As far as you saying that the companies you bought were not crippled...well, all I have to say is: I'm not crippled. And because our site makes me great money consistenly I would not sell it to you for any amount of money.

The only people who sell are people who want out (for whatever reason). If their business is doing well (and we all know that piracy has fucked this industry) then they have no desire to sell because they will make more money over time than they would make selling.

You can tell me I'm wrong...but you won't convince me of anything. I know better. As does any businessman out there.
Of course you could over-pay a really healthy company and buy them for many times their worth, but we both know that you have not done that. You're not stupid.

Anyway, I hope you actually do stick to your guns and go head to head with .XXX and spend some of that money on some attorneys. And I do want you to win against them.

And when you get into my town in Jan. I'd love to say hello and chat for a minute. You'll just have to forgive me if I don't attend your big keynote address as I consider it to be the ultimate hypocrisy of our industry to have you being in an honored position of any sort.

U 2 need a room.

Robbie, a beer it is then... I am not offended by you not attending the keynote. I think you have a COMPLETELY wrong view of myself though...

Regarding your comments re crippled or not and buying companies... People sell for many reasons, not only because their business is going down. As I said, we bought nobody that was declining. Twistys for example also was growing and doing very well... Anyway, this is off-topic.. we'll see if we can sit down for a beer in Vegas in Jan... would be fun I am sure...

Okay. When you get to town send one of your minions to find me and I'll get my phone number to you and then just call me at your convenience and we'll have a drink together.

sucks to be Casting.XXX ..........

unless Fabian is a hypocrite and lets them set up a non .XXX domain to funnel joins through.

allowing .XXX to use non .XXX domains to support a .XXX site is hypocrisy.

I would like to be a fly on that wall...

+1 for Manwin.

Now if they would just do the same thing for piracy...

He said the site they send their traffic to must not in any way promote the .XXX site.

Wish I was gonna be in Vegas for this alone. Screw the show.

...and clarified saying that ifriends.com could send traffic, but not ifriends.xxx

So long as the facade doesn't mention XXX, it seems they're good to go. Never mind that ifriends actually (implicitly) support XXX

and send another one for me, I'd like to commemorate this momentous occasion:winkwink::thumbsup

And if the Internet had never been invented .............

I'm very critical of Manwin, but this is a very good move by them. It needs others to step to the plate and then we'll see IF the rest of the business has balls.

:1orglaugh :thumbsup

It would of made no difference. You're dreaming.

From somewhere Manwin got the money to buy Mansef, or it was a change of name and figure head.

They also had money to invest in their sites.

One of which was Pornhub and until someone can prove they upload the content that is assumed "user uploads" or they ignore DMCA notices they have broken no laws. This whole industry allows unrestricted access to under 18s, so none of us are "whiter than white".

They continue to invest when most are shrinking.

I hate the piracy aspect of porn. Long before it cost me a penny I was fighting it. But hating Manwin because they are taking a lot of the traffic and turning it into free loaders is hypocritical coming from anyone who had a TGP site. That was what you did to the magazine industry 10 years ago. Just evolution and we were the dinosaurs fighting free porn. The business has changed and we need to change with it or retire.

As for them buying up sites. The sellers as you point out won't sell if everything is going well. They will sell if they're offered the right price. Even RK would sell if the price was right.

This is a good move and shows the rest of the industry what they should be doing. Send .xxx to Coventry. And it withers on the vine. Play it's game and others refuse to play and they go down with it.

It's up to them who they do business with or chose not to. Good luck with any legal action.

Manwin have shown you clearly how fragile your TLD is. Without porn sites taking up this domain it will just result in a lot of blank pages on type ins. That's people looking for a specific site and putting in the .xxx extension.

Search engines can't list sites that don't exist and won't give the ones that do have the extension good rankings unless a lot of other sites link to their .xxx domain.

If the porn on these sites is the crap end of the business, the surfers will see that. If the Tubes and free sites can't find people to business with, they won't use the TLD.

To survive a coupe f years you have to get porn onto .xxx extensions. Or it dies a death. Unless you can get Governments to pass laws banning porn on nothing but .xxx. With the prospect of ISPs and mobiles carriers offering "a child friendly environment" there's a strong likely hood .xxx will get an auto ban from these service providers. Sticking another harpoon into the floundering whale.

Forget about 3rd world countries banning .xxx. The amount of money coming from them is miniscule. Worry about major ISPs and mobile phone carriers banning anything on a .xxx.

Get your CV up to date. :thumbsup

That's a very good move. Congrats :thumbsup

XXX is just a newer scam.

Watch the video, it's hilarious! McAfee? Micropayment? get the fuck out of Here.

I am gonna buy the ".porn" extension and sell it to you guys for $20 / Domain (better deal)

:thumbsup:thumbsup

all this uproar just reminds me when tubes were on the horizon and it was...

Popular GFY host: "I will not host tubes sites."

Few months later, same host: "We will begin hosting tubes as this industry has begun to accept them"

everyone will be friends again in 6 months and be the popunders will flow.

LOL

Do everyone a huge favour and show Robbie a peak at the kind of volume just one of your tubes does selling memberships to paysites so he can finally shut the fuck up about tubes not selling memberships and being only about cams and dating. :2 cents:

Fabian can you ensure that any content from http://www.shemale.xxx and http://www.ladyboy.xxx doesn't hit any tube sites or other sites you run, please?

Thanks - that would be a great help.

Would be a good time for other program owners to jump on the bandwagon, release an anti-.xxx statement and get some publicity in the process. :)

They will not be approved for the content partner program or any ads on tj