One last question. Why do you keep crying about 1400 screenshots while i mentioned several times it was WAY less? I'm really curious about this.

how are their english/writing/graphics skills?

They all speak English. I only use this level of employee for simple titles right now and they vary from ok to great at it. Graphics are definitely not part of the deal, those guys seem to run around $200 per week but I use the only one I have on staff for my own stuff.

At the rates listed expect pure grunt work, repetitive tasks and the like. Anything extra is a bonus because I'm supposed to pay more for those skills. :winkwink:

Tempest, why aren't you answering me?

I <3 Franck

Tempest was trying to help you, look at the way you spoke him. Did you think that was cool? Do you think people here will all want to do business with you after seeing the way you spoke to this helpful guy?

Your childish attitude will mean that you're earning less today than you could have been. Learn to control your childish impulses, find the root of them. They are a sign of problems, assuming you're not a teenager, in which case they would be excusable. Get counselling if necessary, as this behaviour is effecting your business.

Right here :)

1. The $20/hr assumes that the fundamental assumption of 30 seconds a thumb is realistic. I don't believe it is... I asked you to show me how that can be accomplished but you're not willing to.. Despite what you might think, I'm actually interested and was perfectly willing to admit I was wrong if I tried it out for myself and found that my assumptions were wrong.

2. Don't really pay "gruntworkers" as I automate the majority of things.

3. Depends on how you look at it. $1000 and getting crappy results would be a rip off for example... Generally however, when you go with really cheap labour and the task is much bigger than what's been paid, those guys almost always end up disappearing on you.. There's been a shit load of threads on here that show that clearly. So in the end, it's usually less likely that you'll be ripped off if you're paying a more realistic rate... In this case, see #1.

Tempest, i have a few questions for you. Can you please just answer them without all the blah. Just give me a simple, straight to the point answer. Here we go:

1: Is 20 dollars per hour just screaming "screw me over"?
2: How much WOULD you pay per hour to gruntworkers.
3: Is there any guarantee that someone who gets paid a 1000 dollars is less likely to screw you over than someone who gets paid 300 dollars (20+ dollars an hour).

Now please stop with the if this and if that and assuming this and assuming that...just answer the questions man. It really isn't that hard.

It doesn't matter if making the screengrab takes 20,30,40 or 50 seconds...$20/hr is $20/hr and is good pay in these days. It's computer work, clicking a bit. If it takes more hours, I don't see a problem. You just charge more hours.

Childish
Definition from Wiktionary, the free dictionary

English Etymologychild +‎ -ish
Adjectivechildish (comparative more childish, superlative most childish)

1.Of or suitable for a child.
2.Behaving immaturely.
Your childish temper tantrums are not going to change my decision on this matter.
Related termschildlike
Synonyms(behaving immaturely): infantile, immature, silly, unbecoming

You missed a vital thing Nem.

However, to throw in my :2 cents: I don't really think the $300 is unrealistic or insanely low. I know people that will gladly make blog posts or descriptions etc for $10-15 an hour.

Even if It would calculate to $15 an hour for the screens he would still be making more than minimum wage for a minimum wage job IMO.

Tempest ignores the fact that this guy would've made roughly 20 bucks a hour.
He just totally fucking ignores it and we all know why.

Tempest, i really like to know how much you would pay a grunt worker. No seriously, i'd really love to know that.

It was a flat rate job... 1400 video screen grabs sharpened and cropped and "You have to do this manually obviously as i only want perfect grabs"... The guy quoted something like $250-$270... Sounds like the end deal was something like 900 thumbs for $300.

In the worst case scenario it would've been 10 dollars an hour. That's if he's really slow.

So, now please tell us, how much would you pay for grunt work.

Edit, that would mean he would work 27 hours on it. Bullshit ofcourse. So the worst case scenario would've been 12/13 dollars an hour.

So according to you that just screams fuck me over?

I answered the questions... Context is everything... Building a missile defense system and paying $20/hr screams "screw me over"... Paying $20/hour to have a kid cut your lawn doesn't.

You're stuck on this $20/hr thing but that's based on your point of view that it takes 30 seconds or so to do what you wanted... That's what this is really about, not the $20/hr etc. You can try and deflect and make it about something else but you should do that with someone else. As I said.. If I can see that it in fact does take 30 seconds or so to do what you requested, then I have no problem saying I was wrong.. But you're avoiding that and trying to make it about something else tells me you have no interest in showing me how I'm wrong.

I'll just keep adjusting the questions...
How long do you want to play this game? Why do you refuse to answer me?

1: Is paying 13 to 20 dollars per hour for a very simply job, as easy as cutting the lawn, just screaming "screw me over"?
2: How much would you pay a grunt worker per hour for a very easy job.
3: Is there any guarantee that person A who gets 1000 dollars for the same job as person B who gets 300 dollars is less likely to screw you over?

You are not gonna answer me, are you?

:1orglaugh

I've answered your questions and yet you haven't answered mine but instead have avoided it and tried to steer the issue elsewhere so that you can try and score some big forum "win" in your mind...

So I'll tell you what... I'll make this easy so we can both get on with our lives... Provide me the information I requested so I can test out your assumption that it's 30 seconds to grab a screen shot, sharpen, crop and make sure they're "quality".. and then I'll answer/respond appropriately... Since you won't... Have a good day/night...

No, you haven't.

Let's do them one by one. I'm gonna make it as easy as possible for you.

How much would you pay per hour for very simply grunt work?

He wasn't going to hire you anyway, ass clown :1orglaugh

Tempest, how much would you pay per hour for very simply grunt work?

You can find some very decent grunt workers on oDesk for around $3 to $5 per hour. The advantage being that you're protected by a system which has dispute resolution procedures in place.

In some parts of the world the average monthly wage is as little as a few hundred dollars a month, therefore it is possible to get quite good workers at low cost.

Ok, i think my point is clear.

You lose.

I love how this thread is being used as a billboard by some people :1orglaugh

and what an excellent billboard it is :thumbsup

The happiest person at the moment, lmao!!!!:1orglaugh

And he still cant figure it out.
Some people deserve to get ripped off.

i wonder why most poster here defends the scammer. its not about the price. its all about the scam.

No its about frankie being a cheapass with a loud mouth. Couple of peeps warned him beforehand but instead of listening to the advice given he resorted in childish namecalling.

We even posted "lets hear how it worked out" in the original thread. And here he is, bitching and complaining.

Serves him right lol.