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Coup 12-22-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647426)
Time to cut to the chase here:

Please provide me historical examples of nations/states/governments that were operated under the Libertarian Socialism model. Also please add how long these societies were in existence under this system. Thank you.

Tick tick tick tick......anyone? Bueller?

Paris Commune · February Revolution · Bavarian Soviet Republic · Biennio Rosso · Free Territory · Spanish Revolution · Hungarian Revolution of 1956 · May 1968 in France · Zapatista Uprising · Argentinazo

DamageX 12-22-2011 02:33 PM

LOL @ Libertarian Socialism

Coup 12-22-2011 02:33 PM

All destroyed/being destroyed by Authoritarianism unfortunately

The Porn Nerd 12-22-2011 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18647430)
Paris Commune · February Revolution · Bavarian Soviet Republic · Biennio Rosso · Free Territory · Spanish Revolution · Hungarian Revolution of 1956 · May 1968 in France · Zapatista Uprising · Argentinazo

First, you did not provide the length of the governments. How many lasted more than a handful of years, in very small countries? Also, I would dispute that many you listed (especially Hungary) operated under "true" Libertarianism. But nice list. :)




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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647439)
They would have asked the same question back in the day of slaves: "Please provide me an example of a nation or country that didn't have slaves. Who would pick the cotton and grow the food"?

Also, before electricity....show me a country that had electricity!


First, many "slaves" in ancient times were the defeated peoples from wars. But I see your point. Therefore you must think Ron Paul is a true visionary, an Abraham Lincoln (or Napolean) for our time? HE will bring about a form of Government unseen in human history, untried on a mass scale, RON PAUL will revolutionalize human civilization.

Are you fucking high dude? Oh right, 'stickygreen', gotcha, gotcha.

You probably just dig Ron Paul because he seems like Timothy Leary to you, all old and cool and 'let them do drugs!'. It's all just a smokescreen tho bro. Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke weed and get laid. Don't be fooled.

Or, BE fooled. None of this matters because the game has been over for a very long time now. Only the feeble and futile fight this fact.

Coup 12-22-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647459)
First, you did not provide the length of the governments. How many lasted more than a handful of years, in very small countries? Also, I would dispute that many you listed (especially Hungary) operated under "true" Libertarianism. But nice list. :)

If you're interested in learning go learn. I ain't gonna stop you.

DamageX 12-22-2011 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647459)
Also, I would dispute that many you listed (especially Hungary) operated under "true" Libertarianism.

True Libertarianism isn't even being discussed in this thread. What's being discussed is Libertarian Socialism, which in itself is a retarded paradox. Socialism, in any form, is pretty much on the exact opposite side of Libertarianism, socially and, more importantly, economically.

porno jew 12-22-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647459)
Libertarians are just Republicans who want to smoke weed and get laid.

glad to see you agree with your hero newt:

Gingrich: Ron Paul's base is "people who want to legalize drugs"‎

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...egalize-drugs/

StickyGreen 12-22-2011 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18647475)
glad top see you agree with your hero newt:

Gingrich: Ron Paul's base is "people who want to legalize drugs"‎

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...egalize-drugs/

Libertarians are people who believe in LIBERTY.

If that means liberty to smoke a plant, then so be it.

Saying that ALL Libertarians are pot smokers is pretty fucking stupid. It's sad that it has to be pointed out. lol

StickyGreen 12-22-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647484)
If you're against the legalization against some lame drug like pot then why aren't you for making alcohol illegal?

Drugs should be legal

Liquid drugs that completely impair your ability to do anything and make you violent are good.

Natural plants that open your mind and make you peaceful are bad.

porno jew 12-22-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StickyGreen (Post 18647479)
Libertarians are people who believe in LIBERTY.

If that means liberty to smoke a plant, then so be it.

Saying that ALL Libertarians are pot smokers is pretty fucking stupid. It's sad that it has to be pointed out. lol

the LIBERTY to SMOKE WEED.

DamageX 12-22-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647490)
Alcohol is worse than marijuana, yet people say "OMG he wants to legalize marijuana!" Shouldn't these same people be standing up and trying to ban alcohol? Oh no we wouldn't want the lemmings to think now!

Bell curve. Half of the population is retarded no matter how you put it.

Coup 12-22-2011 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 18647473)
True Libertarianism isn't even being discussed in this thread. What's being discussed is Libertarian Socialism, which in itself is a retarded paradox. Socialism, in any form, is pretty much on the exact opposite side of Libertarianism, socially and, more importantly, economically.

Yes it is. Oh you've only got right-wing libertarianism stuck in your noggin.

Libertarianism is so much more than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

porno jew 12-22-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647490)
Alcohol is worse than marijuana, yet people say "OMG he wants to legalize marijuana!" Shouldn't these same people be standing up and trying to ban alcohol? Oh no we wouldn't want the lemmings to think now!

yes everyone should get so high that they are unable to see things right in front of their faces like planes slamming into tall buildings.

DamageX 12-22-2011 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18647498)
Yes it is. Oh you've only got right-wing libertarianism stuck in your noggin.

Libertarianism is so much more than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

You're right, my bad. For whatever reason I was assuming Libertarianism to be the American version of Classic Liberalism, since being Liberal in the US pretty much means being socialist. Now it seems half the libertarians are just as retarded. Boy, did you guys fuck up the terms good!

DamageX 12-22-2011 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647511)
Yet more people die from big pharma drugs than "illegal" drugs....but we'll just ignore that

Well, if you wanna nitpick... More people die WITHOUT drugs than WITH them, legal or illegal. :1orglaugh

Dcat 12-22-2011 03:03 PM

Chumpsky is good on some issues, but he is still controlled, and working "within" the system at MIT. I think he has been given a longer leash to criticize the establishment on crimes committed overseas, but is never get too close to issues at home. If and when he does, it is only to keep a lid on it, never allowing that knowledge to turn into action. He acts more as a "gatekeeper" within.

For example his stance on 911. He basically won't touch it, other than to say it couldn't have been a conspiracy because basically people couldn't keep their mouths shut about it if it had been a conspiracy. :1orglaugh Complete nonsense if you understand the Command Hierarchy, and Chain of Command. It only takes a few at the top to make things happen. The others involved are left so in the dark that they couldn't hope to put two-and-two together even if they had a small part in it.

Infinitely better than Chumpsky is none other than Dr. Webster Tarpley. :2 cents:

Coup 12-22-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 18647521)
You're right, my bad. For whatever reason I was assuming Libertarianism to be the American version of Classic Liberalism, since being Liberal in the US pretty much means being socialist. Now it seems half the libertarians are just as retarded. Boy, did you guys fuck up the terms good!

I'm down with Libertarian Socialism. Not liberalism. Just so we are clear

DamageX 12-22-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18647525)
I'm down with Libertarian Socialism. Not liberalism. Just so we are clear

You go, chief! :)

DamageX 12-22-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647526)
lol good point but all we hear is "waa waa drugs are bad for you i cant believe you want to legalize them GASP"

Well, then an alcohol, big pharma and fast food joints too because they are MUCH worse than any drug I've taken

Water too, you can drown in it!

Coup 12-22-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18647524)
Chumpsky is good on some issues, but he is still controlled, and working "within" the system at MIT. I think he has been given a longer leash to criticize the establishment on crimes committed overseas, but is never get too close to issues at home. If and when he does, it is only to keep a lid on it, never allowing that knowledge to turn into action. He acts more as a "gatekeeper" within.

For example his stance on 911. He basically won't touch it, other than to say it couldn't have been a conspiracy because basically people couldn't keep their mouths shut about it if it had been a conspiracy. :1orglaugh Complete nonsense if you understand the Command Hierarchy, and Chain of Command. It only takes a few at the top to make things happen. The others involved are left so in the dark that they couldn't hope to put two-and-two together even if they had a small part in it.

Infinitely better than Chumpsky is none other than Dr. Webster Tarpley. :2 cents:


porno jew 12-22-2011 03:09 PM

and CONGRESSMAN and REPUBLICAN candidate ron paul is such an outsider. :1orglaugh



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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18647524)
Chumpsky is good on some issues, but he is still controlled, and working "within" the system at MIT. I think he has been given a longer leash to criticize the establishment on crimes committed overseas, but is never get too close to issues at home. If and when he does, it is only to keep a lid on it, never allowing that knowledge to turn into action. He acts more as a "gatekeeper" within.

For example his stance on 911. He basically won't touch it, other than to say it couldn't have been a conspiracy because basically people couldn't keep their mouths shut about it if it had been a conspiracy. :1orglaugh Complete nonsense if you understand the Command Hierarchy, and Chain of Command. It only takes a few at the top to make things happen. The others involved are left so in the dark that they couldn't hope to put two-and-two together even if they had a small part in it.

Infinitely better than Chumpsky is none other than Dr. Webster Tarpley. :2 cents:


Coup 12-22-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 18647539)
Water too, you can drown in it!

Overdose too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication :)

Coup 12-22-2011 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647545)
Why didn't anyone in Al Qaeda leak the attack or come forward to stop it??

Shit I dont know. Go ask them. lol

Coup 12-22-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647551)
But clearly someone would have leaked it! Right?

I cant answer that question. You would have to ask them I guess

porno jew 12-22-2011 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 18647524)
Infinitely better than Chumpsky is none other than Dr. Webster Tarpley. :2 cents:

if you really believe that your iq probably doesn't push 100 in all seriousness.

Coup 12-22-2011 03:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster_Tarpley interesting guy. heh

Coup 12-22-2011 03:22 PM

I see where you're going with this and I disagree. Occam's razor and all that jazz.

porno jew 12-22-2011 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647569)
But it was a conspiracy, clearly ....but supposedly conspiracies cant happen because too many people would know

if you can't see the difference between a cell of 20 or so religious fanatics and 1000+ government employees you are stupider than i thought. of course you think holograms hit the twin towers so why am i surprised?

The Porn Nerd 12-22-2011 03:35 PM

To be clear, since some in this thread have no fucking idea what I'm talking about (which proves my point, but so be it):

Libertarianism, in whatever form, does not and will not work. It is extreme and does not allow for moral responsibilities in soceities. To be even clearer:

Ayn Rand was a cunt.

Democratic Socialism is the only form of government that has ever worked, uncorrupted, until it was conquered by right-wing extremists, beginning around 3200 BC, which is, admittedly, a weakness of the form. But I digress....

THIS IS JUST A GAME AND WE HAVE ALL ALREADY LOST.

Sorry for the caps but trying to get through: you people are discussing differant chess moves, differant opening gambits, when it's been 'checkmate' since around 1982. Or 1963. Or...pick a date. The corporations/fascists have won, there's no will in the fat, lazy, ever-increasingly stupid American populace to rise up and STOP IT. So it will continue, and get worse and worse over time. So all this debating about this system or that is just noise and nonsense. In other words, exactly what the powers that be WANT it to be: one giant distraction.

You're welcome.

Coup 12-22-2011 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647605)
Ayn Rand was a cunt.

Can't stand her either. Objectivism is a horrid ideology in my oppinion.

Coup 12-22-2011 03:39 PM

Democratic Socialism is fine by me if kept to a decentralized fashion and not forced apon those who do not wish to participate in it.

porno jew 12-22-2011 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647583)
Huh? Never said anything about a hologram, wtf are you talking about?

What about a cell of 20 or so hired CIA/Mossad agents? You can't have it both ways here. Why would Al Qaeda only need 20 people and the government need thousands? Would seem the other way around

well you think no planes hit the towers. what did people see then? balloons?

porno jew 12-22-2011 03:57 PM

lay off the dope you can't even remember the shit you post.

porno jew 12-22-2011 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647649)
I never once said that no planes hit the WTC. EVER. Find the post where I said that (you won't because I never did)

Good god try to follow along

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18642307)
Its impossible, you cant take a plane which wasnt even in ny, turn it around and hit a building. You have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning on the same day

so if it was impossible for planes to hit the twin towers, what did people see?

Coup 12-22-2011 04:11 PM

Oh my... :error

100 Libertarian Socialist discussions

Coup 12-22-2011 04:15 PM

Continue the fight by addressing the esteemed Mr. PornoJew's concerns my good man.

The Porn Nerd 12-22-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 18647614)
Democratic Socialism is fine by me if kept to a decentralized fashion and not forced apon those who do not wish to participate in it.


Agreed 100%



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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647622)
Absolutely terrible post

Libertarianism is the ONLY way to go. Anything that isn't forced on you in your life or where government isn't involved is everyday anarchy and libertarianism. Like who you have sex with where you go to the movies where you go on the weekends, etc. If people could just push that to all facets

Quit blaming corporations and look at the government, aka those who have a monopoly on power and can assault and kidnap you for not obeying their dumb orders. If a company screws you over then don't do business with them. If they do it enough times then they'll be out of business asap

Grow up

Only Libertarians need 'grow up". LOL Don't try to argue for selfishness, either, it has no "virtue" as Rand insisted. Most Libertarians are just immature post-adolescents who want to run around "free" to do what they are actually currently doing, just without the paranoia of getting caught.

What Government is telling you which movies to see, BTW? I digress...

But your biggest naivete is reserved for corporations and Governemnt. First and foremost: they are the same thing. Yes Johnny, I'm talking about good old-fashioned Fascism. Look up the definition please.

There is no "free market", markets are ALL manipulated. And, as Chomsky pointed out, corporations "enforce" their positions using state police. So the melding, if you will, is complete.

We, "the People", have no influence over either "side" (Gov't or corporations), which is why I refer to "the game" as being rigged and, essentially, over.

StickyGreen 12-22-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 18647829)
Most Libertarians are just immature post-adolescents who want to run around "free" to do what they are actually currently doing, just without the paranoia of getting caught.

That doesn't even make sense.

If we lived in a truly free society there would be no worrying about "getting caught" for anything other than serious crimes like murder or infringing on other people's rights.

The only reason people are "paranoid about getting caught" for living their lives how they want is because we have tyrannical laws making things illegal that should be up to the individual to decide... such as drug usage.

porno jew 12-22-2011 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 18647839)
If you advocate that "we need government because of x" then I guess we need government to tell us who to have sex with, who to marry, what to eat and where to go.

simplistic and immature thinking. back to the library.

StickyGreen 12-22-2011 06:11 PM

The primary moral reason for opposing government intrusions into our lives: government is force, not reason.


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