Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 18647171)

Exactly. Spiritual TRUTH has been TWISTED to fit human agendas for a long long time. I don't see that ending any time soon. Notice how a religion based on a personal relationship based on GRACE has been twisted into a religion of WORKS which fed off self-righteousness to produce the OPPOSITE of what that faith was supposed to produce? Instead of the Fruit of the Holy Spirit, it produced Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, Antisemitism, etc etc.

Redemption and faith is all about a personal relationship with something higher and above you. Real faith produces humility and a servant's heart. It doesn't produce anger and an unquenchable thirst for revenge.

While many people, understandably, see religion as a constant source of pain and turmoil, they often overlook the impact true faith has on quite a number of people. It has led to addictions being overcome. It has led to broken lives being mended into happy loving lives. It has led to a SENSE OF MEANING outside of the SLAVERY to the NEEDS of the self that can't be satisfied.

Given our current culture, it is all so easy to throw the baby out with the bath water. However, if you have an open heart and are really sincerely seeking, FAITH has been one of the few things that can turn your pain, angst, anger, or whatever into impulses that seek out others. In essence, LOVE. The world needs more LOVE, right?

Love transforms. Love restores. Love changes people for the good. And finally, Love helps us get over ourselves.

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18648700)

So why does this lovely God of yours allow children to be abused, people raped, starvation, etc.

He is all powerful, right? So he COULD stop all that if he wanted and just choses to sit there laughing at 6 year olds getting bummed by their drunk Uncles?

What a cunt he must be to have to power to stop that but to decide not to.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18675915)

Or worse allow millions to be killed in his name?

Wait a minute god is pretty good at killing people all by himself and helping others to kill. It's all documented in the bible.

Great Flood
Sodom and Gomorrah
The plagues in Egypt
Bringing down the walls of Jericho
Helping Joshua, David and others kill innocents.
Building the Ark, first WMD

And so it goes on. The killing never stops. All in his name. Today more will die, killed by someone who says there way of worshiping god gives them the right to kill others. And they will get their reward in Heaven. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18675930)

GFY isn't a place for theological debate ...

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18675915)

Or worse allow millions to be killed in his name?

Wait a minute god is pretty good at killing people all by himself and helping others to kill. It's all documented in the bible.

Great Flood
Sodom and Gomorrah
The plagues in Egypt
Bringing down the walls of Jericho
Helping Joshua, David and others kill innocents.
Building the Ark, first WMD

And so it goes on. The killing never stops. All in his name. Today more will die, killed by someone who says there way of worshiping god gives them the right to kill others. And they will get their reward in Heaven. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by Bob Marley

The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 18675954)

God here, god there shit, even when you fuck you hear it sometimes :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18675838)

He is all powerful, right?

So he COULD stop all the babies getting raped and the starvation.

He just CHOOSES not to?

What a cunt.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18675915)

Or worse allow millions to be killed in his name?

Wait a minute god is pretty good at killing people all by himself and helping others to kill. It's all documented in the bible.

Great Flood
Sodom and Gomorrah
The plagues in Egypt
Bringing down the walls of Jericho
Helping Joshua, David and others kill innocents.
Building the Ark, first WMD

And so it goes on. The killing never stops. All in his name. Today more will die, killed by someone who says there way of worshiping god gives them the right to kill others. And they will get their reward in Heaven. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18676193)

Hypothetical: You are a black man in Virginia in 1832. Would you want your all powerful owner to decide your every move or would you rather have the ability to make your own decisions and deal with the consequences?

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18676249)

if I was 8 and being raped and the owner could stop it and didn't I'd be pissed at him.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18676258)

Fine, now how about an answer to the question if you were 21?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 18676193)

I think the only think funnier than someone that claims God "allows" people to be killed in his name is those that accept the Old Testament as gospel. I suppose you believe Jonah resided in a fish or whale for three days.