For sure there was. Too many followers after his death for there not to be.

The problem is from there, who was he really?

Many of the things like the raising from the dead, virgin birth were attributed to others namely the Roman God Mithra. Also there were prophecies prior to his birth that a "Messiah" was coming and he would do certain things.

The real problem in getting to the truth is what we have to go on is so little. The Roman Catholic church ran all religion, learning and teaching from 300 AD until very recently, in historical terms. They decided what went into the bible, what people read and taught. To stray from their interpretation often could result in this.

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Which went on until the 17th Century.

The last burning by the Catholic Church in Latin America was of Mariana de Castro, Lima, 1732

One of the problems was the burning of documents saying anything the Roman Catholics didn't like and didn't fit their warped views. However Manuscripts like the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Gnostic gospels and writings are coming to light showing more of the truth.

I watch too much TV and on my way back to watch more.

yes and he was not blonde, we was black, is on revelations, black jesus

What is that conclusion based on?

Did Mohammed exist?

yes he did

Well, you agree that Jesus existed too, so my question was for those that suggest he was never born.

I think if his bones existed or if his final resting place were truly known, countries would go to war to have it.

Like countries need real excuses to go to war?

It's interesting to read the historical accounts from romans and others who were either anti-Christian or disinterested observers.

Tony Robbins drove out demons? He also calmed storms? Robbins also restored a shrunken paralytic man's arms? What type of grape juice did Tony turn that water into? Wow, that Tony Robbins sure is something else.

Great discussion, Paul. Here's my contribution:

My quote of your post isolates the KEY PROBLEM. People equate CHRISTIANITY with people WHO CLAIMED/CLAIM to be Christians but acted OTHERWISE (crusades, wars of religion, thinly disguised land grabs done in the name of "fighting heretics", bringing "true religion" to "savages" (aka colonial imperialism using religion to pacify "the natives"), etc etc. It's not like this wasn't prophesied in the Bible. Apostle Paul himself wrote 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 which warned of a "Man of Sin" who will take the name of God and do ungodly things (think: very human agendas like power, pride, and domination). Daniel 7 warns of the "little horn" that would usurp God's law and persecute those who believe God's word. The Apocalypse mentions the power of spiritual Babylon and mixing human agendas with the word of God in order to deceive.

And as you mentioned, it all did come to pass, the Roman "church" killed, ran down, and persecuted those who deviated from its theology (which was really a CONVENIENT mix of pagan traditions and church imperatives clothed in some agreeable biblical justifications)

Many (not all) critics of Christianity are laboring under assumptions which use a straw man argument. It's the classic strawman argument- you create a strawman (catholic abuses / historical abuses by preachers behaving badly / historic abuses of Christianity to pursue all too human agendas), knock it down, and claim to knock down what the Bible really means (personal transformation through surrender to God and sharing in Christ's victory through faith in Christ's sacrifice). In essence, by claiming the destruction of fake worship based on Justification by Works, those who bash Christians also claim they destroyed faith based on Grace through faith...

because it's all about FAITH.

Millions upon millions of people will go to their death beds believing in god and jesus, and where is the physical evidence?

It's not needed. They will believe what they want to believe, and in reality there are historical documents referencing Jesus which would indicate he probably did exist.

I was speaking about the perception of something and making it real. You can use UFO's as an example. Millions of people believe in extraterrestrial visitations WITHOUT physical evidence (or at least none that we are aware of) but the amount of sightings and video/photo evidence of UFO's is sufficient to make an argument, and sufficient enough for worldwide belief in the idea of aliens visiting our planet.

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That has been the problem all along and continues to this day.

Silly question.

No, there wasnt.

The fact that people still wonder about this crap in this day and age astounds me.

The people that made all this shit up 2000 years ago also thought the earth was flat.

The Earth could be flat if space is curved.:upsidedow

Why is time linear?

The Vatican has a Warrant that was issued by the Romans for his arrest.

I do beleive he existed and probably knew more about medicin and healing than others of his time.

The Bible and other religios books consist of 99% exaggerated storytelling though.

You and George Michael both say that

Wait, lemme guess... you also don't believe there was a real St. Nick either right?

the man did exist as a man there is not doubt about it.....

I have the Jesus action figure

the question if is he was the Son of God or not

according to the catholics Jesus said in the cross "Father, forgive these people, they don;t know what to do" something like that

satanists says he said: "FATHER, have you forsaken me?"

who knows what he said in the cross.... nobody

Faith, Love and Hate , all the same shit, no existant, cannot touch it... but there are there.....

fuck the church

Exackery.

I believe right wingers of any denomination and several parts of both the new and old testament are against it.

Did you read the post I quoted?

It's way more feasible that Mohammed existed than Jesus.

Where in the Bible does it say to not love your fellow man?

Yeah I read it, what does his post have to do with anything? Why do you feel it is more feasible that Mohammed existed than Jesus?

Depends on your definition of "love".

There are the words of Mohammed everywhere, saved supposedly through posterity in their original form. Where is the officially recognized gospel of Jesus in his own words and not quoted by someone else or his stories in his own words, also not related by someone else?

I doubt anyone doubts the existence of Joseph Smith, even though he's a much closer temporal 'descendant' of sorts.

Yes and I believe in the tooth fairy too

Im sure there was, much like there were witches in massachusetts in the 1600's.