There would be no need for lawyers if the law was as black and white as some of you make it out to be. Anything can be fought in a court of law for an extended period. For smaller sites/corporations, this could prove financially burdensome. A larger company can spin a case until a smaller company or an individual gives up due to a lack of resources.

That is a classic legal strategy that is very successful.

Meanwhile, let's not forget that in a scenario like that the revenue for the smaller corporation/individual already has been cut off as per the SOPA.

Correction: It's a law to stop copyright infringement without due process in a court of law.

That is a dangerous precedent for any US citizen to agree with.

What do you consider "due process"?
For instance...if a person had a CP site (which is illegal) wouldn't the govt. shut it down immediately and arrest them?

Isn't stealing illegal too?

As far as no "due process"...I'm not sure of that. Sounds to me like every other law on the books. You get your chance to prove you're not a thief.

In my opinion...both in having skin in the game AND as a very, very successsful affiliate to other programs since the mid 1990's...I see nothing but GOOD in this bill.

And I hope it passes quickly. The damage that is being done everyday to this industry is unacceptable.

everyone should be on board with this.
even the people who have already made huge tubes, can now just afford to go legal and keep on truckin...we can help with that btw www.memberchannels.com ahem
its the small fry like some who are posting in this this thread who are now worried about losing their free ride...it is obvious as well as to who is in support of what, thus their motives should also be obvious.

So what's the difference? There are already lawyers all over the place representing copyright holders and suing pirates and downloaders, so reversing that idea to make the pirates pay for lawyers seems quite equitable to me. You will neither increase or diminsh the amount of lawyers in this scenario.

It comes down to the fact that the web site is legally OR illegally using copyrighted material, and that is a black and white issue.

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Make sure and report from AVNFabian's keynote speech about his B plan if this passes.

LOL! I am going to meet with Fabian in Vegas for sure. But go to his "keynote speech"? No thanks!

1. He has nothing to say in his speech that's gonna make me any money.

2. Keynote speeches are boring and spammy.

3. The smell of fear in the room of all the desperate webmasters hoping he'll buy them out would be too overpowering.
:1orglaugh

But seriously...I think he's already done "Plan B". He bought out companies like Twistys who could no longer make the kind of money they once did because of piracy...and he took over the "web" business for Playboy and several other old school companies who never did "get it' when it came to online porn.

So now, when this passes he will be sitting on a goldmine because when piracy goes "bye-bye" those sites value will increase and they will start making money again.
The guy is smart. I'll give him that.

england must be very small if 2 is a lot but i guess if on internet must be truthful

I'm still trying to figure out how a copyrighted picture on Facebook or Youtube video can hurt any corporation. The problem is wholesale distribution of material on torrents and filesharing sites. Hopefully that's what will be affected by SOPA.

I think there's a small percentage of antiSOPA people who have serious concerns about the possibility of government abuse or over-reaching, and that's valid. But I'll bet a large majority of naysayers have a huge stake business-wise in the outcome, or just dread the thought of having to pay for stuff again.

of you really think this is going to increase sales at your crappy old tgp you are insane. but that's what people think here.

the Federal Government has a budget of 3.6 trillion
the Federal Government has a tax revenue of 2.3 trillion
the Federal Government has a budget deficit of 1.3 trillion

These are the people you want to run the internet?

Sorry, I think they need to fix what they are running currently before expanding their reach even more

I agree....but everyday they make new laws.

This is nothing but a law to stop stealing. It's not "running the internet". Though I suppose you can say that any law affecting anything could be used to "run" something.

The Chinese can still access the illegal parts of the Internet...

My prediction for the day SOPA passes...

http://www.emily18.in/gfy/sopa.jpg

It depicts the tube owners leaving the USA never to return and thumbing their noses at SOPA.

to enforce the law, they will start a tax or fee to pay for the enforcement. Calling it something besides a tax lets them do anything they want. Once the new fees start, then the codes, permits and overall bureaucratic cluster fuck will begin

i would support sopa if the penalty for making a bogus complaint was the complete revocation of the offending companies copyrights

would any of you guys be willing to support such an amendment

Sorry brah's, I can't agree with anything that provides the ability to shut down sites like reddit/youtube/facebook. It's likely they won't be shut down simply because they're the biggest, but thousands of other sites could; and it would also hinder new start-ups.

It's also a violation of the first amendment:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/75153093/T...SOPA-12-6-11-1

SOPA isn't about fighting piracy as much as it is about continuing the expansion of control big brother has over us.

This is an interesting video about SOPA if you can get past this guy's annoying face/voice:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc
(In a nutshell, the companies lobbying millions for SOPA, are the same companies that helped largely facilitate the problem by distributing the file sharing apps).

It's that whole concept of creating problems in order to introduce solutions.

I'm not against SOPA as a whole, just a few of the key provisions. Your copyrighted material should be protected, but SOPA as it stands is excessive and contains too much power. I understand many who own copyrighted material here don't give a shit and just want to benefit from the bill itself because it directly affects business, and that's understandable, but I would personally like to see it revised.

guess libertarianism only extends to the right to do cocaine and fuck teenagers.

Not worried about. With all the other crap the US government does, and will do, with or without our consent, this doesn't worry me at all. Let the chips fall where they may, and if it means the end of the internet, I will go on with my life.


:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

It's scary how much I agree with you much of the time.



Due process? :1orglaugh

Now child porn site operators and pirates have something in common. How about this... don't allow or upload anything to your site that isn't yours. Problem solved. If they abuse the law, we'll adapt or die. Won't be the first time a law was abused, won't be the last. I'm not worried about it either way. 1) I'm not a pirate. 2) I don't fear the internet "breaking." 3) Piracy of every kind has to come to an end one way or another. 4) Shit happens. We'll deal with it or we won't.

I hate the government and want nothing from them. However, I hate piracy worse and am willing to roll the dice on this one. Maybe they will get it right. Maybe they won't. But if they do, it sucks to be a pirate or someone who makes a living from pirated goods, whatever those goods are.

Don't let the door hit them in the ass...Buncha fucking crooks, for the most part.

Scared it might infringe on your advertising on piracy sites?

What ever you think, they can't make a worse job than self regulation has. This law is coming. Adapt or die.

So long as the bogus complaint was filed knowingly and in bad faith, sure, I'd support that.

Funny how gideongallery repeats himself like a broken record that an artist who creates something should be forced to give up his work so gideon can steal it IF he fucks up and accuses the wrong person.

How about this...the next time gideongallery steals something off the internet, the owner of that content shows up at his house with a baseball bat and beats the dogshit out of him.

Now THAT sounds like a fair thing to me.

I think in principal its a good law but I also think you are going to see the big guys pushing out the smaller guys by filing complaints whether legit or not , Less competion means more $$ for them

It would be a new spin on "due process," that's for sure.

I.e., if your process involves stealing content via the Internet, you get beaten with a baseball bat in due time. ;-)

I would love to see gideongallery get what's due him

so would you extend the same protection to the "pirates" requiring you to prove that they knowingly infringed before you could apply any penalty

or would you want the penalties to stay the way they are currently.

and i find it funny that you don't want to live with the same penalties you want to apply to pirates

when you accuse the wrong person you wiping the wrong person from the internet

your destroying their business, your doing a hell of a lot more damage to them then all the pirates combined are doing to you.

oh and btw i never said the creator had to give up his work, just the copyright

open source proves you can still sell your stuff even if everyone in the world has the same right to sell it too.

IBM made a billion dollars selling linux

same principle applies.

It's a little too late for the Gideons, Damian Js and porno jews of the world.

All meaningless circle jerk questions are moot and only a statement remains.

Adapt Or Die.

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Yeah, imagine that :)

If this goes down it's the thieves that will have to do the fucking adapting this time around.

Sweet.
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Same shit different day. For some reason you morons think bringing in the gov to save you will bring back the good ole days of porn sales.lol.

yes. adapt or die.

http://torrentfreak.com/firefox-add-...ocking-111220/

Ditto.
Add me to the list too

Who are you and what do you do in this business?

http://www.rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs....ARY/111229973/

it has way more to do with theaters not adapting to the new marketplace


btw you can blame the abuse of the access shifting fair use

if movies were released on every medium at the same time the theaters would have to make the experience better then watching it at home.


piracy would be an issue because the theaters would be showing movies in 6 spectrum autoscopic 3d and the CAM would only capture the 3 spectrum 2D version of that.

Could you explain how stopping people from stealing is "censorship"?

If they have something to communicate they can CREATE it themselves.

This isn't "censorship", it's a law to stop people from stealing other people's work.

A lot of people have some strange definitions of "freedom" and "censorship" around here.

You all need to take a look inside yourselves and ask yourself honestly...do you support stealing or do you believe it should be illegal to steal.

no one will be doing this....one example will be made for people who abuse the system...just like when you waste the courts time in other places...if you take them for a ride with this, expect to be bent over by the Law and they wont be worried about the domain you own. IT will probably be a federal offense to make a false claim.

this .......................

I'm not sure that the scenario you just presented would even be considered under this law. This is about stealing copywritten WORKS, not CREATING similar works.

I think you may be stretching it to come up with that scenario. But you don't have to even try to stretch it to see what piracy has already done and is doing right now to this business.

I'm pretty sure that what you just described would never be a serious SOPA infringement or even given a second thought. And you might even get in trouble for wasting their time with something like that.

Just look at DMCA. Have the govt. "abused" that? Hell no. Matter of fact they have under-enforced it pretty darn well. Not just on porn (because they could care less about us) but in mainstream as well.

Listen...right now a cop can pull you over in your car, beat the shit out of you, plant some drugs on you, and throw you in jail. But that's just theory. Doesn't mean we're gonna suddenly change all traffic laws just because it MIGHT happen.

Same here with this law.

I don't trust the government. But I do recognize that when people decide to start stealing freely and destroying the economy online...it's time to get rid of the antiquated DMCA law and get something with some sharp, sharp teeth.

As long as you create your own content...you have nothing to worry about from this law. It's really pretty simple. That's why I welcome it.

I create EVERYTHING for Claudia Marie's site. This law does nothing to hurt me and everything to help me.

It's the people who contribute nothing...like gideongallery, who are the very most afraid. And of course, people with cam companies, dating, etc. are sweating it. But they shouldn't. All that traffic isn't going anywhere. It's just going to move to legit sites which was where it was before Pornhub existed.
And the dating and cam and pill sites will get their traffic and sales from the legit sites just like they used to.

Bottom line is...there's nothing going to stop what's coming. And the uncreative thieving pirates with their upload scripts that automate everything are going to have to:

Adapt or Die. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You do understand that the fact that they are "pirates" makes them criminals by definition, right?