and making a false sworn statement is not

the penalty i am talking about would only apply if you took down an INNOCENT site

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Anyone who thinks this won't pass in some form is deluded.

It will be a very interesting time.

No, the freeloaders pirating porn will get it from Tubes. Our business model was shaped years ago and a race to see who could give away the most free content. tubes are only a progression of that. Pimproll took it to the next level, closing a site and turning it into a free Tube. More money in selling ad space than selling paysite memberships.

Because selling paysites memberships has nose dived. Soon all that's left will be selling ad space. Or owning the occasional niche site.

Piracy has done little but scratch this business. Giving away free porn amputated limbs. Even in the early day it was clear that only a small % were actually buying. the vast majority were getting off to free porn. It reduced the real money making side of porn to a shadow of it's former side, retail offline. Now it's hitting online porn. Within 2-3 years recorded porn will be little more than a freebie to sell ad space. Or to scrape a thin film off the top with membership sales. Free porn, legal or not, is the real cause of the decline of the porn industry.

For some delusional reason some people think their porn is a must have and nothing else will do. They are in for a shock.

Anyone who makes a false claim is leaving themselves open to a big court case. And the big boys don't want to destroy this law. They want it to work.

Robbie, you really need to try and understand that being AGAINST SOPA doesn't mean you are profiting from piracy, and you need to stop suggesting that or provide proof.

The other thing you need to realise that piracy has always been around, before the current financial incentives. Usenet was THE place for piracy. Did they get paid? No. Did the up loaders get paid? No. Were there advertisers? No. Was there a gajillion gigaflops if stolen content? Yes.

If this law passed in its current iteration it will not stop piracy. I promise you. You will not go back to getting a billion dollars a month to spend on coke.

In Damian's link against SOPA we can read

We understand why the groups like the Motion Picture Association of America and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce are supporting the bill as piracy of content costs the original producers/distributors tens of billions of dollars. They?re desperate for a solution to recoup that lost revenue.

So it is good we all agree there is a problem. If the Internet companies are really concerned with the problem of copyright, and they are the Internet "savvy" ones, where can we read their solution ?

Good catch.


This is where porno jew and his fellow travelers like to step in with their usual taunts of eat shit and die.

The truth of course is that these so called internet "savvy" folks don't have any solutions to offer, or more specifically, none that they like.
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And you need to stop your silly scaremongering about "breaking the internet".

And I dont really care if you have a link where someone says some problems might ensue. That is not "proof" that one day we will turn on our computers and the internet will be gone in a puff of smoke, "broken" by a law designed to reinforce the basic laws of property and ownership.

The easy porn money is probably gone for good, but that does not mean that adult industry peeps cannot support a law which aims to protect the creator of intellectual property from having it stolen.

So you have no rebuttals for any of the points raised by the DNS experts? OK.Didn't think you'd be able to offer much on that front.

Ah, so you just pretend there are no DNS experts saying there will be problems and*that* is your counterpoint?

I bet you didn't do well at debating at school.

Read the articles. No one is saying the internet will be gone in a puff of smoke. Point/counterpoint. That is how you have an interesting discussion.

Or a law designed to give the government control to censor the internet for Americans. Look, China already has this censorship. Has it stopped piracy there? Why do you think giving control of DNS to the government will fix the problem here? Do you really think that pirates are just going to stop? You don't think they will do something else? ftp servers begat IRC which begat usenet which begat napster which begat bit torrent which begat file lockers. Pirates have a good history of adapting.

I think everyone in the world would support a law that just did that. SOPA isn't that law.

The real problem is that THERE IS NO TECHNOLOGICAL SOLUTION TO PIRACY. None. Nothing will work.

What needs to happen is that people need to stop wishing it was 1990. It isn't. Things have changed. You need to find a new way to get people to pay for your product. Period. It seems that some people are managing to make millions from releasing their stand up comedy. What can you learn from that?

In real world you get 10 years for raping a girl and maybe 6 months for false accusation.

your idea doesn't make sense but also it is against basic law principles in most countries including USA. so it can't be done.

Damian, I dont need to rebutt your DNS experts saying some issues might occur. I am rebutting YOU saying that SOPA will break the internet.

Then you bring up China which as you say already operates a similar system - and look the internet still works !!!

Why is the internet not "broken" ?

This is the problem with wrapping dramatic language around your carefully chosen "facts". It just sounds silly.

Lets go back to China - you ask if it has stopped piracy there. I dont know what effect their particular laws have had on piracy and neither do you. I do know however that the Chinese govt are more concerned with the control of politically sensitive information than the distribution of stolen content. So the control of website content via DNS and China has a bearing here, but has nothing whatsoever to do with piracy.

However I think your biggest mistake is your claim that "nothing will work" is so very immature.

You are still claiming that society should not legislate to uphold what the right thinking majority require because the problem will not be completely iradicated by the legislation. Think about it Damian - how many laws achieve this utopia ?

No, of course. You don't NEED to. But just saying LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU isn't a very interesting counterpoint. Makes it look like you are unable to argue effectively against that point.

You're not. In a rebuttal you need to make a counterpoint. Not just say "I don't care".

Oh gosh you make this hard. I didn't say they operate a similar system. I said they censor the internet. It's a totally different method of doing it.

Please don't say what I don't know. China has the most piracy of any country ever. This is well documented. Sorry you are unaware of it. But your ignorance doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They pirate fucking whole apple stores ffs. :D



I said there is no technical solution to piracy. There isn't. History has proven this. As soon as something is 1s and 0s you can pirate it. At home. On a 200 buck device. Rather than name calling, make a counterpoint.

No I'm not. Of course they should legislate.

Quote what I say, make a counterpoint.

Sigh.

I did not say I dont care what your chosen experts say. Did I ?

I said YOU are making misleading claims that the internet will be "broken" by this legislation.

Can you understand my point ? This is the third time I have made it and I am getting tired of trying to explain it to you. So my rebuttal regarding YOUR broken internet point is that your claims are wild and fanciful using dramatic language to further your argument.

With regards to China, yes they have priated entire Apple stores, but that tells me absolutely nothing about what effect their laws have had on piracy ON THE INTERNET in China. It may have increased, it may have reduced since the introduction of their censorship regulations. No one knows because the Chinese will never allow that type of information to be released. Thats not me telling you what you do or dont know - I am just pointing out the the inadequacies of your argument.

Lets be clear here Damian you brought up China as an example of how they have instigated similar legislation "Look, China already has THIS censorship" you cheerfully claimed. You used China as an example of why SOPA wont "work". So have your changed your mind ? Or are you now agreeing that comparisons with SOPA and the Chinese legistlation is really rather silly ?

With regards to history proving there is no solution to piracy. Jesus. Technological innovation is not about history. It is about the present and the future. Invention and human advancement is relentless. It will not stop because you want it to.

Should governments give up on changing their banknotes just because eventually the forgers will one day learn how to recreate a reasonable copy ?, and should the laws which put the forgers in prison be rescinded because they do not "work" ?

Give it up Damian, your arguments are preposterus. The free ride for thieves might not be eradicated by this legislation. But you have not offered a reasoned argument as to why you think that is. Jumping up and down shouting "it will not work" is not a detailed and reasoned critique of actual text of the act. (sigh)

if you used the law to ONLY stop people from stealing your not censoring anyone

However if that what you truely believed the law was doing you would have no problem losing your copyright if you "mistakenly" blacklisted an innocent company.

The fact you don't want to face that penalty PROVES you know this law will censor people.

the principle of law is equality of punishment

if you totally wiped out a site from the internet WRONGFULLY and you refused to fairly compensate them for that loss

justice says that you should suffer the exact same penalty


and piracy will get you 1 year and a shit load of money damages

btw if you knowingly make a false accusation your also guilty of conspiracy to commit every crime against that victim too.

if someone gets killed because of your bogus accusation (death penalty case) your guilty of murder.

there is no similar balance in this act

the penalty for making a bogus claim is exactly the same penalty as it always been.

it the equivalent to a loop hole that allows you to get away with killing someone by simply framing them for a murder they didn't commit. That loophole doesn't exist in the current laws

it should exist here either.

Gosh this is tiresome. I based my *opinion* on reading the articles from the DNS experts.
I linked you to the site where the experts explained the problems with the DNS part of SOPA.

Would you like to explain why they are wrong?

Yes. Your point is that you think *I* am a DNS expert and wrote articles explaining why the DNS issues with SOPA are very dangerous?

Good point! This is awesome fun.

How do you imagine they would *get* this information? How does a government measure the impact of sites with pirated content on exactly? Do you think the file locker sites just tell them?

No, that isn't, but the part where you said I didn't know something was.

Well, you are desperately trying to, but you're not really doing it very well.

No I didn't. I said they have a firewall and it doesn't work. Really, try quoting what I say, then attempting your counterpoint. It makes it much more cohesive.

No I didn't. Really, quote what I say.

You made that comparison. I said China had internet censorship. Do keep up.

It is totally about history. Since the dawn of mankind piracy has been unstoppable. Then the digital age came along and it is now REALLY VERY unstoppable.

Do you seriously, honestly, in your heart of hearts think that someone will come up with something and all the pirates will just go "ok, that's us done". You don't think they will change? You don't think they will just create another internet? Seriously?

I never said to rescind laws because they don't work. There is a law against copyright infringement. There should be. Please, quote what I say rather than waste time making facetious points about stuff no one said.

And yet you cannot actually make a SINGLE counterpoint to ONE of them. So go figure.

All you need is the pure IP.

Please provide your counterpoint as to why that is wrong. (This should be good for a laugh...)

Then (for bonus points) go on to explain why it is a good idea for

1) your competition to be able to get your site shut down in 5 days with no judicial process or proof
2) to allow the US government to censor the internet

And then tell me if you honestly think this bill will have any impact whatsoever on adult website revenue and why.

100 scared pirates arrggghhhhhhhh

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Honestly, I'm really not sure.

At this point, while I've read the text of SOPA and quite a bit of analysis of it as well, I haven't really given it as much thought as I will if it passes, and I don't think I have as full an understanding of the penalties and consequences under it as I'd need to answer that question. (Among other things, the Act references a number of other statutes and is limited in some ways by those other statutes, and I haven't gone through the effort of 'connecting all the dots,' so to speak.)

I haven't concerned myself with SOPA too much thus far, simply because it is just a bill at this point and as happens with many bills, its language could change significantly before passing, or it could never even go up for a vote in the first place.

Plus, if SOPA does pass, I think there's very little question that it will be immediately challenged in court, and my hunch is the Court would issue a TRO against its enforcement (or the enforcement of portions of it that are subject to the legal challenge, at least) pending adjudication of that case.

So, in other words... ask me that again if/when this bill actually becomes a law and its verbiage is final, and by then I should have a more satisfying answer. ;-)

Your proposed penalty for false notifications was an easier hypothetical for me; I don't appreciate fraudulent use of federal statutes, so I'm good with fairly severe punishment being applied when people engage in such.

my point of view is simple

IF the penalty are ok to apply to pirates then they should be equally ok to apply to copyright holders who abuse the law

if pirates are not allowed to simply claim "oops that was i mistake my bad" then copyright holders should not have the right to that exemption either.

The principle of balance makes sure that the law is not drafted with ambiguity that can be abused.

Look at it this way if the process is so flawed that you could "accidentally" blacklist a totally innocent site imagine the damage that could be done if you "deliberately" tried to abuse the system.

Look at the universal vs mega upload problem with this bogus DMCA takedown of the mega upload song.

if the DMCA process required you to
1. verify that infringing content contained your content
2. specify the content that belongs to you that was illegally used withing the infringing content

in addition to the current steps

the only way that Universal would have been able to do what they did, was to deliberately lie.

And if breaking the process had a liability of losing your copyright i don't think universal would have done what they did.


They did what they did because they knew the current penalties are a joke (come over to the united states, spend millions in legal fees to only get back your provable hard losses only)

The only reason the court case is going forward is because mega upload is using it to prove that SOPA is fucked up. If they prove that the current penalty doesn't prevent abuse like universal did, then keeping the penalty the same especially when you raise the penalty so greatly is not only unfair but trade war anti competitive.

If SOPA doesn't put an abuse it and lose it type penalty , you can bet other countries will put a counter suit right on their books. Use SOPA against an innocent company from that country, and that wronged person will be able to void the copyright for his country, and every citizen of that country will be LEGALLY allowed to use the internet to sell your content to the world.

First off:
gideongallery
This message is hidden because gideongallery is on your ignore list.

Secondly: Anybody in this thread who is making broad statements and has no skin in the game is just an armchair quarterback.
And as Quentin said, it's all just speculation because the law hasn't passed yet.

But you can always tell when a law threatens a certain business model. For instance...the proposed condom law in CA. is a threat to the content producers and the porn industry. So it causes fear and consternation amongst those of us who are really in the business.

Now, this proposed SOPA law comes out and some people are just all-out opposed to it before they even know what the finished bill will look like. Why are they so afraid of something unless it's going to affect their pocketbook? Otherwise why not just ignore it until a finished bill is presented and THEN express your feelings?

At this point none of us know what the bill is going to end up being. But you better believe that ALL pirate sites and people who profit from piracy are going to be against it as long as it affects their ill-gotten gains.

And to those of you who think it will have no effect at all...then why the hell are you screaming so loud against it? If it's just a joke to the pirate sites and "won't change a thing"...then shouldn't you just stfu and not worry about it?

I guess we shall all see what happens. And then we can all:
ADAPT OR DIE!

P.S.: I'm going to guess that guys who create NOTHING like gideongallery will NOT be able to "adapt" when they can no longer steal on the internet.

Piracy was not a problem in the analogue age as the copy was always inferior to the master. You could copy from Vinyl onto tape but if it was to be hifi it was more expensive then buying the original.

It is quite possible that you are right that it not possible to stop the copying and distributing of digital material, after all thats is what computers and the Internet do.

If SOPA and laws to control copywrite fail then the only possibilities are

Destruction of the creative industries as DVD, newspapers , CDs sales continue to fall.
This case the creative industries are in the situation of selling bottled water when it is free from the tap. Possible but extremely difficult and getting harder when people wages are falling all over the world.

Consumption free at the point of use, but paid for by subscription to access the Internet. The Internet will have to pay for the creation of the content it distributes, Like the BBC or the UK National Heath service, free when you use it, but you pay through taxes or fees to receive the Internet.

What happens depends on which group of corporations have the most lobbyists.

The abuse it and lose it penalty I talked about would do absolutely nothing to protect a pirate site. Think about how the fuck would a pirate site ever prove they were innocent
by definition they can't because their a pirate site.

The 1st amendment issue is ALL i care about, the abuse of this law (because the process is wishy washy grey area that so fucking bad, it can "accidentally" be abused) is all i care about.

Why do i comment now, because that what a comment period is for dumb ass.



Just because it won't stop the pirates who will use dirty tricks to bypass the filters doesn't mean it will have no effect on the INNOCENT but WRONGFULLY accused sites that will be caught in the drag net.

Those innocent sites will suffer all the penalty but have no "solution" to get around the problem because again by DEFINITION they are innocent.

Again that why i want an abuse it and lose it clause in the law, so the innocent sites at least have a recovery option (they can sell the newly public domain content to recoup there losses) if the copyright holder tries to nickel and dime them on damages.

who's fault is that 6 spectrum color was known to be superior to 3 spectrum color since color film broadcast were invented

it was a cheap solution to a cost problem, we have had the technology to shoot movies in 6 spectrum color for 10 years now.

4 spectrum color appeared in tv BEFORE it appeared in theatres (it still doesn't exist BTW)

autoscopic 3d (3d without glasses) is coming to tv next year. (again before theatres)

theatres used to innovate (remember surround sound) they don't anymore




or maybe content producers will get off their fucking asses, and get back to innovating
introducing new technology that only cost effective at the theatre level so that the difference between the original and the copy will be great enough that people will WANT to see the movie in the theatres.

I was wondering the definition of an innocent pirate was.

This will pass, and though it won't end piracy, it will kick it in the balls really fucking hard and put a lot of people out of business.

Innocent pirates are the guys posting here making excuses, defending piracy, finding absurd reasons why this shouldn't pass, and mostly being ignored.

And you have proof of that, right?

I am fairly sure you can't accuse people of criminal activity here without proof...

Or has that rule changed?

LOL I notice those who support this bill also have serious trust issues with the US government. (DWB, etc)
You will end up being bitten hard. The government successfully bans pirate sites because of piracy? Next it will attack porn because of "brainwashing of children" or some other bullshit reason. Can't you see where things like this will lead?

This part seems to be the problem.

My reading of it, is the part I underlined.

It seems to me it says that the site has to be dedicated to theft of US property [and only covers Internet Service Providers.

As these are all businesses they can refuse to do business with who ever they choose.

Can someone point out where an accuser is granted immunity please. As if I'm wrong I would love someone to put me right.

seriously what about the following statement do you not understand.

the maximum damages you can get is so small, virtually no one gets tagged, it a virtual immunity.

when the penalty is real people like robbie complain that it unfair.

seriously morons what exactly about this statement do you not understand.

If states was not theocratic and hypocracy-cratic then they would ban only what's wrong and illegal for an open minded atheist. In the real world, they will ban all those stuff who they (the politicians) do in secret but condemn in public.

This statement?

This doesn't make sense. Because a pirate site, is a pirate site and therefore guilty of being a pirate site. So how do they prove themselves innocent, when they are guilty?

Still I see what you're saying. If I accuse someone of being a pirate site, when they are not, and send official letters to the ISPs and they act on that information. Then the penalty lies with the accuser. Big companies with lots to lose could face huge legal costs.

I think the loop hole for the accused to get settlement lies in this wording.

in the reasonable belief that--

(1) the Internet site is a foreign infringing site or is an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property; and

(2) the action is consistent with the entity's terms of service or other contractual rights.

So if I accuse a US site, that's not a site dedicated to piracy. The ISP can ignore my letter?

Plus in the TOS it has to say that the site will not be dedicated to piracy. Now what is "dedicated"? A site with some pirated content, 90% pirated content or a site with 100% pirated content?

Yes all this needs to be cleaned up and until it passes you don't know what will happen. So if the wording is changed to something like "after the ISP reviews the site and in their opinion it's dedicated to the theft of U.S. property." That will satisfy you. Or do you want it to go to a court?

With the offending company bearing the costs? So the pirates need to come to court to defend themselves and the accuser or pirate faces a big bill if wrong.

Plus wording like "majority of the site is pirated content."? Or major part of the site is pirated content."?

You see just saying how does a pirate prove he's not a pirate. Is not very clever.

that the fucking point moron you can

which means the abuse it and lose it penalty only applies to NON pirates sites misrepresented as pirates sites.

the current DMCA has an even greater liablity because it doesn't have the reasonable condition

66% of all takedown requests are bogus according to independent research
that thousands of bogus takedowns

all with a penalty which is way stronger then the one in this bill


if the current penalty doesn't stop abuse

why the fuck do you believe that an even weaker one going to do a better job


only if they want to lose the immunity

but here is the totally fucked up part as you just pointed out, if it unreasonable to accept the liablity the host,not the copyright holder who made the bogus complaint is on the hook.

there is no clear penalty for the copyright holder who abuses the law.

i have said what i want if you accuse an innocent site, you lose your copyright

that fixes the problem instantly because the legitimate copyright holders who fear that they will "accidentally" wipe an innocent site from the internet will make sure the procedures guarrentee that they can't make that mistake

look at the DMCA

if you added two conditions to the take down
1. undentify the copyright material that you own that is being infringed
2. document the start and end time of the infringing use

universal would not have had a valid takedown to the mega upload song

and if the penalty for knowingly filing an incomplete or bogus takedown notice was the right of the host or the accused to file a request to void the copyright (assuming the copyright holder refuses to settle)

then you can bet universal would not have done the shit they did

putting the penalty in place

make the legit copyright holder figuire out what process needs to be because they will do just enough to make sure that they don't lose their copyright and nothing more.

GFY is filled with pirates and I don't need proof to say it.

Of course I don't trust the US government, or any government for that matter. Only a fool would. But I don't fear SOPA. Why would I? Sure, it could be abused just like any other law could, but until that happens, you are all freaking out for the sake of fear. You should have freaked out about the Patriot Act, not a law that is created to shut down those who steal from others. Fat of the matter is, the government can do ANYTHING it wants, right now, with or without that law. Toss some child porn on your site and see what happens.

This was said about the internet kill switch too. We're still here. Said about 2257. We're still here. SOPA will work or it won't, and we'll "adapt or die." Hopefully, most operating illegally will die.

Don't steal, don't worry. Simple theory. You don't do it offline, so don't do it online. If you do and you get caught, sorry about your luck.

It's just a LAW guys. It's not the govt. "taking over" lol

I'm watching CNN right now and they just reported that in the year 2011 we had FORTY THOUSAND new laws enacted in the U.S. Out of those 39,999 are not needed and are just a way for politicians to get re-elected.

But SOPA? It's actually a law that IS needed. How can people do commerce successfully when their product is stolen?

That's my opinion both as a content producer, paysite owner, and affiliate of other paysites. All of my business will immediately benefit from all this stealing being kept down to a dull roar.

And in my opinion it ALL starts and ends with any site that is a pirate site having no ability to bill with Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, Paypal or any other billing system.

And the United States DOES have the power to make that happen.

so much for due process and innocent until proven guilty