Yeah..it's just not fair to sites like porn bb dot org
Or Filesonic

Those poor sites are being treated unfairly by this mean old law.

yeah univeral should have the right to take down mega uploads 3 million dollar video
even though copyright was actually owned completely by mega upload.

it does matter that the viral campaign was to announce a legit competitor to the music industry universal should have a right to destroy the competition with a completely bogus takedown.

What, don't you see it gives the register the right to shut down your website if they think you have stolen content. Do you have any idea how many companies don't know who they sold content to.

The bottom line is do we want to give registration companies the power to shutdown our websites and possibly confiscate our domain without any proof?

don't forget the fact that main stream products don't like being featured in porn videos

how many of you guys got a release for every single product, shown in the background

if you did an outdoor scene do you have a signed release by every owner of every car that drove by.

Well...I'm scared now.

Looks like we should hope that nothing happens and people can just keep stealing stuff. Look how well that's worked out for us so far! :)
Looks like gideongallery was right all along, and those of us who are actually creating stuff and working hard are just chumps being used.

1. if you think making monopoly protected content is hard you should try a real job. How many ditches do you think you would have to dig to make even 1/10th the money your making

2. If you understood anything about fair use you would know current laws are good enough to protect every penny of revenue your actually entitled too. It only when you try shit like forcing people to pay for things that are actually covered by fair use like backup that you run in to problems.

3. that exactly what the law was designed to do your entitled to a monopoly for the licencing of your content, your supposed to compete equally to everyone else for all things fair use.

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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I have no idea what this moron said. But I'll bet it's a bunch of goddamn double talk and gibberish that screws over the people who actually create something.

Happy New Year GFY! I hope that 2012 will finally see gideongallery get himself a job and move out of his parent's basement and stop trolling on this forum.

As for the rest of you guys...I'll see ya in Vegas for the show. :pimp

I'm Babaganoosh and I support sopa.

In this statement you show that you have no idea about copyright law.

If you film in a public area you can film everyone and everything there. There is no copyright to objects in films.

Every TV program has been cleared for copyright. It is not difficult. It is done everyday.

moron I have not been talking about whar your allowed to do under copyright law

we are talking about what you can abuse under a law with no clear penalties/weak ass for abuse

universal didn't own a second of copyright to the mega upload song.

yet the still took it down

oh and btw your wrong because sopa deals with conterfeiting and misappropriating of trademarks.

and that section is wide enough/grey enough that what i am talking about could be argued too.

No, but you didn't say that. Did you?

You accused about 3 people in this thread of being pirates. So, where's your proof of that?

So a non pirate site, will have to prove it's anon pirate site and sue the company or person making the accusation.

Because the current penalty isn't enforced. No unenforced law is worth squat, if this new law isn't enforced. Then it's all meaningless.


And you know this as a lawyer?

Making libelous accusations, which they would be, carry very stiff penalties.

So stand for congress and get this passed. What you want is pretty well meaningless.

DMCA is for individual copyright holders to police other peoples sites and remove only the content they own. 24 hours later, it magically reappears. DMCA even the way you describe it is useless. The onus should be on the site owner to police his site, his business, his content. By hitting the whole site with a 100% take down notice, the owners will be far more cautious about what they allow on their site.

If they can't afford to police "user uploads" the simple measure is to not allow them.
If the site is 90% pirated. What's wrong with taking down the whole site?

But as I said, you have no chance of effecting how the law is written. If it contravenes the Constitution. You will have no say in getting it changed, taking it to court, maybe to the Supreme Court.

You're a sheet hanging on the washing line, being blown by the wind. You can't change it. You can hope it will get changed, hope it will not pass or hope it will not be enforced. But when it's passed you will be blown along by it, best thing you can do is change to use the wind. Turn yourself into a windmill.

At the moment this is you.

http://www.deviantart.com/download/1...veeBlossom.gif

And the wall isn't taking any notice.

As online porn takes no measures to stop children accessing porn online. They might do that. It's a legitimate reason. Then what happens?

Maybe we go back to pre Internet days of people having to actually buy porn. So the porn business won't die. It will get a new rebirth and rise like a phoenix.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9AVynicx2n...nix_rising.jpg

Or are you saying they will take it back to pre 1950s era?

Of course some traffic pushers will be screwed. Pornographers will party.

In reality it won't wever happen. But like you I can dream. And yes you're dreaming.

The Government is all you have to put your trust into. Unless you know of a better organisation they are it.

2257 hurt a lot of people, made them have to look at their content in a different way. And a lot of the other changes hurt a lot of people. The 1% CB rule hurt some, then Visa and cross selling and more things.

A lot of people here I think benefit financially by not having to police their content, make money from piracy or just enjoy getting things for free. What do you expect them to say?

This guy loves the idea of not having to check if you own the music you're playing in a movie. Loves the idea of grabbing something for nothing. Always been pro piracy.

Wants to change the law and has no clue what the law is. Unless he's a qualified lawyer.

I never said take away the copyrighted content, no property rights are lost by revoking the copyright

Only the monopoly control to prevent other people from selling your stuff too.

You really need to read the constitution old man, government granted monopolies are not protected by the constitution.

This is not going to take traffic away from tubes as long as there are things like adultcentro, hostedtube, and other legal tubes, stop dreaming lol.

Just about every torrent search engine lists pirated content no? Is this going to destroy torrents or torrent sites? Of course not, they will either adapt or find another loophole, most likely a loophole. It all sounds great but this will not stop piracy, maybe put them on their toes for a minute until someone finds a way to continue it and then everyone else just copies that idea.

I'm kind of neutral on this, so I could care whichever way it goes. Will be interesting to see what happens if it does pass. But don't think it's going to make tube sites vanish or redirect traffic to your non-tube sites.

You're not taking into consideration all those sites losing their ability to bill. Once the money is gone...THEY are gone.

Which sites are you talking about? Torrents? I don't know of any torrent sites that bill. Surely there are illegal tubes that bill, and if this passes they will either find a loophole or convert to a legal tube so they can keep their traffic and income. Which is all good (IF they go legal), I'm just saying it's not going to be the demise of tubes in the least bit lol. But I guess it's can't hurt.. hopefully. We will have to see what loopholes come out of it because it's not going to be this easy to stop piracy. There are PLEENNTTYY of people who will pirate shit for free and don't care about making money from it.

Torrents get paid advertising. SOPA passes and that ends. AFF won't be able to pay them for their traffic. Of course that traffic is gonna be even more useless anyway as the largest porn market in the world (the USA) will be cut off.

i rarely see so many stupid arguments against a law. It wont stop pirates...it will be used to censor porn...it will be used to close down sites with no due process. I guess we should just stop having laws in the world because people will break or abuse them. idiots.

Go read what I said in the part you quoted.

Just to remind you.

You don't have a say in this debate, except on GFY and no one who does have a say on how this bill is shaped reads GFY.

Adapt or die.

I agree, it will waste more money and hurt innocent website owners. The big pirates will always find a way around laws.

There are so many false hopes and fears about this law, or the one that will be passed, that we need to look at it logically without blinkers.

1. The Internet needs regulating. Self regulating clearly hasn't worked and the Internet has become a place people are worried about using their CC, getting their information sold or stolen. AND a haven for scammers and thieves.

2. Pornography needs regulating. With no regulation CP, real rape movies and even snuff videos of people being sexually abused and then murdered are legal to publish. Generating profit for someone and it will result in more child abuse, rape and murder. There are people who will do this just for profit.

If the Government was serious about regulating online porn, there are far easier and better ways to do it.

3. It's only the Government who can pass these laws and regulate. There simply isn't anyone else.

4. We don't have a say. We adapt to the changes or we die. I adapted and even though I moan a lot. I still don't see the clock turning back and never ever in my wildest dreams thought I could effect any law.

Fears.

So will this bring about the complete demise of piracy? No but it will deal a huge blow to the profits from pirating. Piracy isn't about sharing, back up or any other excuse. For a few, it's about making money. For many it's about getting someone else to pay so they can get it for free or at a very reduced price.

Yes if you download stuff for free, expect things to change. You will have to decide if you want it enough to pay for it. It might even lead to the demise of iTunes. Without piracy, the market might change.

Will it bring down the Internet? Only the fools believe that. Will it give the Government control over the Internet? Might do, but seeing as they have control over everything else in our lives and we don't seem to suffer too much. Where's the harm? Assuming you're not doing something the Government disapprove of. If that's benefiting from piracy or fake drugs the law might hurt you.

Will innocent sites be caught up? This is something we need to wait and see. I see ways for someone who is innocent to get damages and his sites back if wrongly harmed. It will take a court case. Look closely at the wording of the law. It's about sites dedicated to piracy. And in the reasonable belief that;

(1) the Internet site is a foreign infringing site or is an Internet site dedicated to theft of U.S. property; and

(2) the action is consistent with the entity's terms of service or other contractual rights.

So an email or anonymous letter isn't going to cut it with an ISP. He will want proof to safe guard himself from getting sued. Immunity isn't carte blanche. If an ISP screws up, he's not immune. I expect them to want some real proof and take a look before bringing a site down.

Pirates will not be able to prove they are not pirates GG. So suck it up. :thumbsup

For most of us, life will go on and we will continue to make a living and enjoy the Internet.

Hopes.

Will the millions downloading free pirated porn flood back to buying? No, you can't change peoples culture, beliefs and attitudes that easily. Today people expect porn to be free the odds on them being forced to buy are longer than the odds of turning 1-1,000 Tube surfers into a paying customer.

So the traffic that enjoys free porn from Filesonic, will continue to get it from Pornhub. Just 2 examples for this graph.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...u=pornhub.com&

How many people on Filesonic are downloading just porn? Not 100% for sure. 100% of the traffic on Pornhub is there for the free porn.

Expect Tubes traffic to soar. So how will they pay for the BW? We know the answer to that one. It doesn't cost enough to make a real difference.

How will they pay to make sure the content on Pornhub is mostly legal? They will buy, get more submitted for partners, submit more of their content. They have to keep up the free stuff to keep up the traffic. If they drop the free updates, the surfers go elsewhere.

How will they pay for it? Less pirates sites to get free porn on and less pirate sites to advertise on. Means one thing. More revenue for free Tubes.

So maybe a trickle of traffic will go to truly unique sites with "must have" content. The rest, they won't see a significant jump in ratios. They will be thankful for what ever they do get.

The only thing that will bring back the glory days of of ratios from the days when it was only Newsgroups and link lists. Is if the only free porn is Newsgroups and Link Lists. That will never happen, so the majority of the traffic will migrate to other free sites. They will profit. But no where near the ratios of the TGPs or the earliest days.

What ever, time will tell. This I know for sure. We adapt to this law or we don't and get screwed.

Then you don't understand SOPA.

"Nose thumbing" is the current status quo, where "offshore" folks enjoy relative immunity from U.S. law. SOPA puts an end to that nonsense, when U.S. banks, processors, servers, hosting companies, ad networks, affiliate programs, etc. etc. are used...

no just make the penalty for abusing the law strong enough that people will at least have a distinctive to break it.

if you think losing the copyright is to harsh then how about statutory damages of 25k for each person who is DENIED access to the legit content.

That the same penalty your entitled too.

And if the copyright holder doesn't have the money then all their assets (including their copyright are seized).

yeah, good idea. just like when a person falsely accuses me of stealing their ferrari, they should lose their ferrari. That punishment certainly fits the crime. :disgust

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This bill will pass. I'll reserve further comment until I get more info.

Sponsors of SOPA Act Pulled in 4 Times as Much in Contributions from Hollywood as from Silicon Valley

The debate over the bill's language has pitted the entertainment capital, Los Angeles, against the tech incubator, Silicon Valley. The measure is supported by entertainment producers such as Comcast, Disney, Sony, and the RIAA. It is opposed by tech companies such as Facebook, Google, Mozilla, and Yahoo!

Since the beginning of the 2010 election cycle, the 32 sponsors of the bill have received almost 4 times as much in campaign contributions from the movie, music, and TV entertainment industries ($1,983,596), which support the bill, as they have received from the software and Internet industries ($524,977), which believe the language goes too far.

http://maplight.org/content/72896

What part of this don't you understand?

NO ONE WILL ASK YOU WHAT YOU WANT THE PENALTY TO BE.

You might as well say the person who wrongly accuses should be hung drawn and quartered in public and on Youtube. Or should be given the house of the person he wrongly accuses, for all the difference it makes.

You're nothing, no one, a nobody and have absolutely no say in this law.

When someone wrongly accuses another of running a site dedicated to piracy, not pirating a few items. The ISPs are only immune with this protection.

If they just act on an email from an accuser. They will find immunity isn't there and they will pay dearly. The minimum safeguards I would expect an ISP to take are to investigate the site. Just cutting the site off, will get them into a lot of trouble.

What confuses you about this?

Damian
Just read the ask question section...Its where they come from wsj, iqsixtynine, and other boards to figure out how to play legit...Hell, i've seen half a dozen nicks from here on wsj....and only visited once in the last year...appears to be same peeps.

We support SOPA....

Funny I was just reading on aki ba the lengths people are going to avoid SOPA...and the result is the same as the xxx scam...Herding the pirates onto usenets and other things that are already being heavily monitored...LOL. Key word, herding.... lol, more keywords, heavily monitored...

Wake up pirates, FEDS are counting pennies now and you are busting their tax bank...They no likey you now...

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Either you're trolling me or you honestly don't have any idea about what is going on in the business and who runs what.


Yea, myself. I've done more for myself than my government ever has. In fact, they have done NOTHING for me, other than take my taxes and try to tell me how to live my life. I don't want anything from them, never have, never will. Trust them is the last thing I would ever do.

you don't understand the concept of free speech do you old man

i don't have to be asked, i have a right to say what i want

and when i and other free speech advocates ask you how many totally innocent sites do have thr right to destroy before you face the same consequences as the pirates how are actually damaging you.

and you say as many as i want.

People realize how unfair the law is and it won't pass.

if it does pass then the effected foriegn countries which need to protect their INNOCENT will add the penalty to their own laws.

What the US going to do close it borders to the world for every good and service. Say we won't buy oil from canada until you give us the right to destroy as many INNOCENT canadian companies as we want.



so if they respond to every email, they get sued by the "falsely accused" pirates when they make a mistake

and if they don't they have to go to court to prove that the copyright holders request is unreasonable.

And because the process is not absolutely clear, they got to hope that a judge doesn't get suckered by a fast talking lawyer.

And even if they do win, all the copyright holder is on the hook for is what the wronged isp can prove ABSOLUTELY is the damages they suffered, which is basically only court fees, no lost profits, no pain and suffering, no statutory damages.

This is the bullshit your trying to argue is fair.

scratch sony and microsoft off the list

You are so very very wrong, in what you post and your attitude.

Who do you think gave you the Internet, police, roads, stops 10 million Mexicans invading the US, ensures planes are safe to fly on, cars are safe to drive in, drugs are safe to take, if you have an accident where ever you are someone will come and pick you up and take you to the hospital, puts out fires in your house or fires what might burn it down, clears the roads of snow, repairs the roads, looks after the forest and wilderness areas, is trying to stop piracy because no one else will do it and so many other things it's impossible to list them all.

Life would be a lot worse without a Governing body at the top. Now that Governing body can be Obama and Washington or the Generals like in Burma or Syria or The USSR and a Stalin type.

Don't think you can get by on your own. You can't. You need Big Brother to make sure Bigger assholes don't fuck with you.

No Government is perfect, if you want perfection. Buy an island and build it yourself. Government is all you have so be thankful.

Oh My God! I agree with you.....

Yes you have the right to say it. It doesn't mean they will listen.
Well lets wait and see if that happens, because it's not what the law says.

When did you pass the bar?

Because you're understanding of the law isn't very good. This is bullshit your trying to argue. But then you're an idiot who probably posts here to annoy people and build the post count. So you're doing a good job.

Arguing with you is as pointless as you offering advice on what the penalties should be. Lets wait and see. When it passes I will ask you what were you worried about and you'll make some dumb reply that will be meaningless. So I will waste me time again. Bye till then.

A lot of Americans have the pioneer spirit. Or so they think. Well actually they delude themselves they have it and it was all rosy back in the days of the great pioneers. The truth of those times would shock them.

They wouldn't of lasted a week. Unless born into that time. Still it's nice to put on your cowboy gun holster, boots and hat. Then dream you're a Jesse James or Daniele Bowie type.

Paul, don't confuse my comments on not trusting governments with thinking we shouldn't have them. Of course we should have them, but only a fool would trust them.

Most of which is paid for with our taxes. They don't do this out of the kindness of their hearts.

I no longer live in the USA and use none of their services. Zero. Ziltch. Nada. I've been on my own for the past 10 years with no problems, and plan to be on my own until the day I die. I don't want or need their help. Yet, they still demand I pay taxes to them. So if nothing else, they only take from me, not give.

"Safe drugs" and all that other nonsense, is exactly that, nonsense. I don't know about your government, but mine is bought and paid for by corporations. The corporations decide what drugs are "safe" and which ones are not. And those that are not, they ship to Africa and SE Asia to poison people who's government is also corrupt.


I didn't say the world should be without them. I said I don't trust them and personally don't rely on them, nor want to. The more they leave people alone, the better.

Sure, if African gangs were cutting off arms of people who wanted to vote for Ron Paul, let the gov step it and clean it up. But that doesn't mean I should trust them, they are just doing what they are supposed to do, and it's paid for partly with my money.


Again, I didn't say the world shouldn't have them.

I don't need big brother to take care of me. I don't live in Somalia. But even if I did, I'm just not the type of person who would rely on someone else to help me. I'm not the guy they are going to have to rescue from his rooftop after a flood. I'm the guy who took the warning and got the hell out of dodge.


I've been an expat a long time with no complaints. If I had the cash to buy an island, I would. I'd call it Barebackistan.


You an old Nazi or something?

The government is not all you have. The government will shit on you. Your health, family, and friends are all you have, and even those can shit on you.

Maybe because you're older and depend on your government to take care of you, you see things differently, but I ask nothing from mine, nor will I ever, even in my old age. Let me be and I will take care of myself. But in the event something tragic happens, like Burma invades and rebels are shooting up my city, the US will use those tax dollars I have been giving them all my life to maybe assist in getting me out of here. But truth be told, by the time they got their shit together I would be long gone.

Thanks for the internet, paved roads, and my passport, but please leave me alone.

Why do we have to be able to survive a Jesse James shoot out in order to be self sufficient, free people?

You are right, a lot of Americans do have the pioneer spirit, and that is exactly why there is but only one flag flying on the moon.

I think SOPA will change a lot for the better. Just like Spam filters make e-mail better. Sure it does not block 100% of the SPAM but it costs the spammers plenty in potential revenue that is lost. Sure there will be a few successful spamers/pirates here and there but the "golden days" of "Free speech" errrr i mean "stealing other peoples stuff and making $$" will be gone.

The key part is that they can block traffic to the USA and attack them where it hurts: payment processing.
Other countries will adopt their own SOPA as well, Spain for example has just passed such a law. Blocking the pirates from the US and Europe is a serious attack on their financial capabilities.

I don't agree with people who are saying "people are now used to getting porn for free" this is not true.
I know people will pay for content once they HAVE to. We had NO tax in our country now we pay. We had free Schooling now we pay. We had free health care now we pay. We had no VAT now we have 18%. We used to buy knock off "brand name" clothing now they are gone and replaced by real goods.

Sure there will be a few tech savvy geeks who will find some underground site, but the vast majority of regular joes will go back to paying. Its not like membership to a website costs 1000000$ or anything...the regular 30-40$ membership fee is not much to many people. People will want fresh HD content and all the tubes have to offer is recycled 5 min clips that are not getting any newer.

Content costs money and the "steal it for free" business model will come to an end one way or the other in the civilized world. The civilized world is 90% of the market for porn.

Just my :2 cents:

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First Sputnik USSR
First Animal into Space USSR
First Man into Space USSR
First Woman into Space USSR
Longest Space Flight USSR
Space Station USSR
First Space Walk USSR
First Civilian USSR
First Sputnik to the Moon USSR
First Sputnik to darl side of the Moon USSR



What conclusion should we draw from that?