They wouldn't ALWAYS make more than with a label. Perhaps some would, and perhaps labels can take too much. But in the end, guaranteed money is a lot different than money earned through risk. And the artists generally get guaranteed money in place of zero risk and investment of their own money. The rapper Master P made a very smart deal back in the mid-90s, when we was about to be signed. After selling 200,000 copies of his records on his own, he turned down all advances and opted for a straight pressing and distribution deal with Priority Records in return to keep a bigger share (80% I believe) of his future record sales. He made a ton of money, but he also gave up millions in guaranteed money to do so. In the end, he went bankrupt, but that's not really relevant.

Louis, himself said, "Minus some money for PayPal charges etc, I have a profit around $200,000 (after taxes $75.58). This is less than I would have been paid by a large company to simply perform the show and let them sell it to you."

He also put up a considerable amount of money in production costs (near $200,000), development for the website, and significantly more work and time put into the final product. That is a huge risk!

No one is really stopping any of these artists, rappers, musicians, comedians, porn stars, etc from making their own money sans a label, but there is also a daunting amount of work and risk ahead of them in production costs and other areas that most just choose to go for the guaranteed money that a label provides.

It's not always so cut and dry.

I know of a few hundred porn stars that could pull this type of thing off individually.

the labels do very little innovative marketing

they currently outsource so much of the promotion that it now possible buy the same exact promotion yourself if you have money

i have personally done this with artist, after they got a development deal offer i have had them do a crowdfunding campaign (with the advance as their goal), done properly on average they get 23.53% more money from the crowd.

all without having to give up 90% to the label in the future.

Right now given those condition yes i can guarrentee that a new artist will make more by not signing with the label

maybe the labels will get off their asses and start to use the innovative techniques, but with the current suckers game of give us 90% and cover all cost out of your 10% they really don't have an insentive to validate the alternative that the artist can do themselves.

That is a lot of people pretending to like Louis C.K.

:thumbsup :pimp

Porn stars can't even get guys to buy them shit off their wishlists on Twitter, let alone getting a guy to pay for a porn clip. Maybe someone like Belladonna could have very minor success at this because she has kind of a unique relationship with her fans (just judging off twitter feeds), but for the most part when these girls get on Twitter and their real personalities come out it ends up hurting them in the end and actually alienating them from their fans. There is definitely such a thing as too much access...

ding ding ding! we have a winner
can't compare both things, at all...

:thumbsup

I think some of the very well-known pornstars or even those slight few very popular camgirls could put something together where they took donations to raise money and shot a custom scene. I don't doubt that they could raise a decent amount of money and then shoot that scene for those who funded it. They could even use that scene to further promote themselves. However, I think it would likely be a one time thing. It is hard to get the fans of pornstars to pay $30 per month to join their site much less get them to pay for a single scene that they then have to wait potentially weeks for it to be shot and edited together. People might be willing to go there once, but likely not more than that.

there is a huge difference between a guy like Louis C.K and a pornstar. Louis (or any number of well-known comics) puts together an act and then releases it like this. He then hits the road and does a bunch of dates promoting it and getting paid for those stand up dates. He likely will eventually sell the broadcast rights to some cable channel(s) and he likely will release it on DVD or at the least license it to Netflix for streaming.

A pornstar would shoot their scene, give it to the fans that paid for it then maybe put it up on their site or offer it for sale on its own. There are limited markets and you can bet your ass they aren't going to have her on CNN, The View and a ton of radio and talk shows talking about it. So here ability to make money from it would be limited and she would need to make another very quickly and I have the feeling the crowdfunding market would dry up pretty quickly.

i personally know hundreds of totally unknown musicians are doing this every year.
None of them get on the view, or CNN for what they are doing but they still make a good living

You get 100% funding when a small percentage chooses to pre fund you.

The model would give a girl the same sort of money she would get for being a vivid girl /contract girl without the restrictions.

That the point.

BTW there are techniques to sustain it, other income sources once the content is produced. Just because you don't understand them well enough to exploit them doesn't mean they don't exist.

It a very arrogant position to come to the conclusion that just because you can't see the solution the solution must not exist.

I love that guy

He just absolutely killed on the Tonight Show. Some great stories. He also talks about his paypal special.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/310845/the...ouis-ck-part-2


http://www.hulu.com/watch/310846/the...ouis-ck-part-3