We use that base in Germany for ALL sort of things and it is, in fact, useful.

A war on drugs is essentially a war against your own people. It's bullshit, promotes organized and violent crime and needs to go.

Maybe I'm a snob, but I still think things like crack, meth and heroin should remain illegal or at the very least heavily regulated.

you can think the war on some drugs is a scam and war sucks and not be a paulbot. this is not an either/ or situation.

An Open Letter to Ron Paul from Michael Rivero

It is one thing to speak of principles and quite another to fight for them.

Dr. Paul

I am but one of the millions of Americans who supported you in 2008 and support you now. We have donated to you, volunteered for you, promoted you, defended you, and in a very real way fought for you. Now may be the time for you to return the favor.

All across Iowa, alarming indicators are rising that those who wish to continue the nation down the path of fascism are preparing to steal the Iowa Caucus from you. We all know you are a gentleman and still believe in the ultimate fairness of our nation, but in this one regard I fear you are being dangerously naive. As the HBO Documentary "Hacking Democracy" illustrates, election fraud, always a reality in the past, is now epidemic across the nation. Iowa has a prior history of vote fraud shenanigans, as shown in 1996 when vote fraud shaved 13% from Pat Buchanan's totals all across the state, tipping the victory to Bob Dole.

As I am fond of telling my radio audience, this election is not a gentlemanly contest. It is a bare-knuckles, knock-down, spit-teeth-in-the-gutter fight for the future of this nation, with a nuclear world war hanging in the balance. Your opponents espouse that God wants this nuclear war waged on the Arab world and the problem with politicians listening to those voices in their head is that they truly believe that lying, cheating, stealing, even assassination is no sin in the furtherance of what they claim is a divine agenda.

Of course, we all hope that the voter turnout for you is so great that cheating will be impossible, and that we are headed for yet another "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment in history. But your sudden decline in the public media polls, with number arrived at through fraudulent means signals an attempt to "pre-sell" your defeat to the more gullible segments of the public. Rumors coming from Chicago, known for political skullduggery, that the Iowa votes will be counted in Illinois rather than Iowa, should send a clear warning signal that fraud is afoot.

Dr. Paul, We The People stand with you. We ask that you stand with us, and if indeed, as appears to be the case, Iowa is stolen from you, then it is time to take off the gloves and fight for those principles which have attracted so much support for you. Because the vote stealers are stealing more than just a victory from you, they are stealing our nation from all of the people. They are stealing a life of peace from our children. They are stealing prosperity from us all. They plan an eternity of war for the world and if they succeed, none of us will ever live to see a time of peace again.

If we do not choose to fight against these people now, we will soon have no choice but to fight for them from now on.

Far more than just your political ambitions are at risk here. If the election is allowed to be stolen, then all we have to look forward to is nuclear war without and violent revolution within.

If Iowa is stolen from you, we need you to be the leader we all know that you are and demand a recount by hand of all ballots.

Michael Rivero

Like what? And if it's so cool to have bases in other countries (at great expense), then why don't other countries have THEIR military stationed in OUR country?

But the way, my brother is stationed there waiting to go to Afghanistan (he was in Iraq the last 2 years). Everything is outsourced...right down to the food and even the base security!

Just spending money like it's a game of freakin' monopoly. lol

Anyway, we have ZERO business being in Germany almost 70 years after WW2 ended.

Your brother is there and they don't know what currently goes on at that base? Not the least of which is top tier medical care for our wounded.

fallacy of the excluded middle

Oh, and Robbie... Foreign troops are stationed here, not just in the same capacity.

Air America was an American passenger and cargo airline established in 1950 and covertly owned and operated by the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) Special Activities Division from 1950 to 1976

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_%28airline%29


TRAFFICKING

The Boom and Bust of the Air America Cocaine Ring.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/01/07/bo...he-hangar.html

They also had Intermountain Airlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermountain_Airlines

And currently utilizing

Evergreen International Aviation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergre...ional_Aviation

You are predicating that based on our military fighting wars constantly.

Maybe if we weren't occupying all these countries we wouldn't have to have medical care for our wounded. That's what I'm saying.

We shouldn't be in these countries with our military.
Our own citizens would NEVER stand for another country to station their military troops on OUR soil.

Seriously...think about it. We fought World Wars over that kind of thing, and now here we are doing the same stupid thing that has been done throughout history by failed "empires". And it never ends well.

I don't think we should be "isolationists", because that is impossible anyway in the information age. But we should NOT be trying to rule and lord over other countries because we don't like them.

Jesus...we POUNDED Libya and then turn a blind eye to Syria. The hypocrisy is just unreal.

And we both know the only reason to have bases in Germany and Japan is to allow our military to attack countries in Europe, The Middle East, and Asia whenever our "interests" are threatened.

It's just not right. And it's not supposed to be what America stands for.

And we are BROKE and can't afford this insanity anymore.

What you are saying may or may not be correct, but currently, for all the shit we are in, it does serve that purpose and many others. I'm predicating my statement on things that are happening RIGHT NOW.

Agree with the wars(god knows i don't) or agree with them. That base still serves several MAJOR functions to current ops.

I would also disagree with your point that the sole purpose of these bases is offense when they can just as, or more than, be useful for defense. This specific base does make a great staging point.

Also there are very specific and real reasons we are not in syria right now. Strategy has a lot to do with it and while neither of us happen to agree with it, there is a reason.

What's happening "right now" is all based on us fighting un-declared wars against nations that did not invade us.

And if you think the bases are for "defense", then I again say: Defense against what exactly? Small groups of camel jockeys on suicide missions? We don't need trillions of dollars of military to combat that. It's not the 1950's and they aren't the Soviets with tens of thousands of nuclear warheads aimed at our country.

And yes... it does make a great "staging point". But my thoughts are...we have to stop NEEDING "staging points" to attack other countries. We spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined.

How many times over do we need to be able to blow up the entire planet to protect ourselves from "terrorists"?

And what are we going to do when China won't loan us any more money and our govt. goes completely bankrupt? Are we even gonna be able to afford to fly our troops back home? lol
I know that last sentence sounds facetious..but we are seriously in debt. And we have no moral or legal right to be in other countries with our military.

You know I love you, but I think you are being naive if you don't see the global advantage this gives to us IN CASE OF some sort of world or even regional shitstorm. i'm very ani military and i'm very anti-intervention. To deny these bases serve any sort of purpose is either naive or intentionally obtuse.

Arguing about why we are there and why we were there and why will continue to be there is fine, but the fact is that we are where we are.

onwebcam, damn good to see you back! :thumbsup

Every time you post, I swear I learn something new.

I hadn't even noticed that nutjob was back till you pointed it out. Thank you.

Because we did not sign an unconditional surrender agreement after they beat us in a war?

Back with my "loony" facts. Thought I'd make an appearance for the Ron Paul victory celebration. :pimp

I hope you and your delusions have fun with that.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So let me ask you this since I"m so "naive"

WHEN are we EVER going to pull out of Germany? It didn't happen in the veterans of WW2's entire lifetimes.

Do you think (assuming that we can afford to stay there) that we will EVER leave? In our lifetime? Our children's lifetimes? Our grandchildren's lifetimes?

My mom was born in 1945, I was born in 1961...and we are in Germany still. No end in site.

And how much use did that base in Germany really do us recently anyway?

We were an isolationist country pre-WW2. And yet we mobilized our country, went to war and WON a freakin' WORLD WAR in just a few years.

We've now been in little, no-military at all Afghanistan for 10 years and still can't "win".
WTF?

Well, it's because this isn't a "war" and we don't need a military presence there to "win". Matter of fact, it makes things worse for us everyday and creates new terrorists as the kids there grow up to be young adults and hate our guts for taking over their country.

I'm not "naive". I just don't think that there is any threat on the face of the Earth that currently faces our military in any way, shape, or form.

To listen to the current saber rattling about Iran and how much of a "threat" they will be with a nuclear bomb is a joke.

We faced down the Soviet Union...who really DID have ICBM's with nuclear warheads that could have blown our country to hell.

THAT required a big ass military.

A big army is of no use against a handful of crazy fucks. NOTHING can stop that. And just like when we FINALLY got Bin Laden...it will require a small elite team to take them out.

And for that...we don't need giant military bases in countries all over the world.

That's my opinion. And like I said earlier...soon the point will be moot because our country simply cannot sustain this kind of spending.

The military being in Germany does nothing but pump up THEIR local economy, while draining our country of resources and money.

Corporate puppet? Wow, those corporations must have seen 2008/2012 coming decades ago.. serious?