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Loryn 01-06-2012 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RRRED (Post 18675369)
I'm not sure why a thread about rape made me laugh out loud at least 5 times...

Man, I missed this place! :thumbsup

I did the same thing... LOL Only GFY can you laugh at something so twisted and not be twisted... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

just a punk 01-06-2012 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18674511)
Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

What's about movies like Rambo where people get killed like popcorn flops? You know, some people get a boner when some "good" action movie guy cuts a throat to a "bad one"... Is murder better than rape? Should we ban all action movies then?

Once again: it's just a kind of artistic film and nothing else. Doesn't matter if it's erotic, porn or action movie :2 cents:

Due 01-06-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 18675535)
Why would they care. It's legal in Germany, and many other countries in the world.
People can just run into a porn shop and buy a rape DVD and pay with their same bank card.

This is Webbilling, they process for EU debit cards. This content is legal in the EU.

There should be no other discussion about morals, everyone here works in PORN, everyone has different morals, but that doesn't mean everyone just have to follow YOUR morals.

Actually they can buy rape, beast, water-sports, scat, etc and pay it all with your Visa or Mastercard, the larger stores take AMEX too.

Visa & MC doesn't give a shit what you with their cards as long as it doesn't require more $ in customer service than it brings in to them.

That's why AMEX dropped adult completely back in the days

Due 01-06-2012 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18674511)
Interesting. So to most of the people who replied, there is no difference at all between a police drama, where the they try to stop a rapist, and selling something to of get off on the idea of raping women? To me, there is a difference between acknowledging that crime happens versus promoting rape as erotic.

Just as you might watch Law and Order with your family, you're just as comfortable sitting down with dinner and watching a rape porn, where they present a woman screaming in anguish as the best part of a fun Saturday night? That's interesting, if so.

If you think there IS a difference between a drama that mentions a crime having occurred versus promoting the idea of rape as the way to get your rocks off, it might be interesting to ponder just what that difference is.

I think it mignt be that it's ok to have a cop drama and that doesn't necesarily make it ok to promote the idea off rape as being erotic or acceptable.

I'd say the difference is probably that people here knows it's fake, they know the porn-stars most of the time is just counting the minutes till the scene is over and probably doesn't consider it exciting or even erotic the same way as most consumers do.

I catch myself looking more at/for "mistakes/errors/stupidness" in porn acting rather than actually considering / enjoying the fact that you are looking at a widespread pussy or whatever scene you are watching.

OneHungLo 01-06-2012 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii (Post 18674325)
LOL...And people wonder and hate why stuff like SOPA is happening...

And what does SOPA have to do with any of this you fucking idiot?

fuzebox 01-06-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 18674678)
And religious nuts who think the stuff that YOU work with/produce is disgusting, are ALSO free to not produce or view your stuff.

Freedom.

:thumbsup :thumbsup

I love hypocrisy on gfy!

raymor 01-07-2012 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18675663)
What's about movies like Rambo where people get killed like popcorn flops? You know, some people get a boner when some "good" action movie guy cuts a throat to a "bad one"... Is murder better than rape?

Anybody who promotes murder as erotic, as a good way to bust a nut, is a sicko. I didn't notice any of that in Rambo. I did notice the "bad guys" were shooting at him before he took them out.


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Should we ban all action movies then?
Who said anything about banning anything? Some films fall under their first amendment right to be wrong. Somewhere along the line, many of us forgot there is a huge gap between approving of something and calling for it to be banned. I can respect the first amendment rights of stupid KKK morons and Fred Phelps and still say they are sick twisted bastards. The first amendment says they have a right to be wrong, not that I can't exercise my right to say they are wrong.

Joshua G 01-07-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18675717)
Anybody who promotes murder as erotic, as a good way to bust a nut, is a sicko. I didn't notice any of that in Rambo. I did notice the "bad guys" were shooting at him before he took them out.

the irony, mr. ray, is that mainstream horror movies (1972 last house on left, megan is missing) perfectly capture the essence of rape/murder erotica, where rape porn fails very badly. But the mainstream movies are protected speech while the fake XXX rape will get you time.

blackmonsters 01-07-2012 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 18675638)
sorry dude. most rape content is not produced by forcing innocent girls to take it in the ass, or else. The rape genre is 90% standard fare with bad setup, a few slaps, & a tattooed cock whore badly pretending she dont like it. In addition, many bondage sites make it quite obvious at the end of the scene that the content was consensual.

you are referring to a handful of producers who con & coerce their talent into extreme sex they didnt intend to do. These producers attempt to capture, in essence, real rape. That type of scene is found in numerous genres. Those who like that stuff know where to find it, & its not by searching for rape on google.

:upsidedow


Well, good thing that I don't read or I would have posted this response :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme...ty_prosecution

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Kristi Myst broke down during the filming of In The Days of Whore. After having had anal sex for several hours with three men she was told that she had to do anal with another seven men, although she had not agreed to this before the shoot. At this point Myst began crying and wanted to walk off the set and quit the business rather than complete her scene. She eventually relented after being consoled by Tom Byron. Brandon Iron who was present has said the incident was "the foulest thing I have ever witnessed" on a porn shoot.[23][24]
People who make laws don't give a shit about the 90%.

- 90% of people who do drugs don't become addicts
- 90% of murderers didn't mean to do it.
- 90% of drunk drivers never crashed and killed someone's family.
- 90% of rapist thought she wanted it

:1orglaugh


BTW : Notice how the wiki says that Kristi Myst "relented" rather than "consented". Hmmmmmmmm?

Captain Kawaii 01-07-2012 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by OneHungLo (Post 18675692)
And what does SOPA have to do with any of this you fucking idiot?

Well, Moron...And I use the term generously...If you can read, then you will notice that governments all over the world, as we speak, are tightening controls over the internet, credit card companies are restricting usage, banks are losing their status, many are folding and the conservative right is using extreme porn and millions of other things to enforce their points, you ignorant cunt.

SOPA is part of a multi prong attack. You think FaceBook is moving to Sweden cause its cold for the servers? LOL. Zuckerberg woke up and realized the writing is on the wall for the US...

I dont see the point in making sites like the OP presented. But they exist and I do not care for them nor do I care about them - They can do what they want... I just hope their existence does not bring the MAN further down our collective asses than he already is.

DamianJ 01-07-2012 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nikki99 (Post 18674778)
I remember that thread about a sponsor full of bestiality and everyone start screaming like old virgin ladies, stupid idiots...

Yeah god loves people who suck horse cock.

AllAboutCams 01-07-2012 03:49 AM

i watched a documentary on Maxhardcore how does he get away with that shit.

travs 01-07-2012 03:59 AM

holy shit I can't believe I wasted 1 minute of my life

just a punk 01-07-2012 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by joshgirls (Post 18675740)
the irony, mr. ray, is that mainstream horror movies (1972 last house on left, megan is missing) perfectly capture the essence of rape/murder erotica, where rape porn fails very badly. But the mainstream movies are protected speech while the fake XXX rape will get you time.

Exactly :2 cents:

2raymor: "Irréversible" has some long and very natural (explicit, graphic etc) scene of rape. Which is far more realistic than all these pathetic fake rape sites discussed in this thread. Google about it and you'll find out how many people found it extremely sexy. Tell me please why the hell this scene is doing in that movie? Is there some "artistic" reason for it? The answer is NO! It was included to make a bestseller. So everything is about money. The Irreversible made Monica Bellucci famous, but the rape simulated port will put its author into the US jail. What an irony? )

What about "Hostel", "A Serbian Film", "Saw" etc? No one normal person will want watch it. What sort of people is being targeted by these movies? Think about it.

OneWhoKnows 01-07-2012 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 18675535)
Why would they care. It's legal in Germany, and many other countries in the world.

Why do several ppl in here post that rape porn is legal in Germany? It's absolutely not:

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Section 184a

Distribution of pornography depicting violence or sodomy

Whosoever

1. disseminates;

2. publicly displays, presents, or otherwise makes accessible; or

3. produces, obtains, supplies, stocks, offers, announces, commends, or undertakes to import or export, in order to use them or copies made from them within the meaning of Nos 1 or 2 above or facilitates such use by another, pornographic written materials (section 11 (3)) that have as their object acts of violence or sexual acts of persons with animals

shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.
Taken from the official English translation of the German Criminal Code, which you can view here: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/en...#StGB_000P184a

It clearly says "that have as their object acts of violence", so it's just the topic that matters, not if during the production a real rape has occured or it was simulated. The depiction of acts of sexual violence is enough already to make it illegal - in case you produce the content to disseminate, publicly display, present it or otherwise make it accessible. Which is the case if you distribute it on a website, I'd say.

So distributing material online that is illegal in a countries where the audience the site aims at comes from makes that problematic without a doubt, especially as the direct debit Webbilling offers aims at a German audience.

Paul Markham 01-07-2012 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 18674735)
The law in the US is basically what you just said.
The fine line between obscenity and art is what it comes down to in court.

Not just the courts if you run a business.

It's funny watching some of these guys argue about what is legal, right, wrong, acceptable fake or real. They're like leaves arguing with the wind or me shouting at clouds. :winkwink:

If you don't want to face a policeman at your door, he might not wait for you to open it. Holding a warrant, summons or charging you. Make bloody sure you don't cross the line. I did face it and it happened. :Oh crap

If you want to keep your business going, make sure your content won't upset billing, processing and hosting companies. If you want to keep your domains, make sure you conform to the new laws coming soon. :thumbsup

Posting on GFY about what's right or wrong about any of the above reasons to be careful. Makes my shouting at clouds look sane. :thumbsup

Dirty Dane 01-07-2012 06:29 AM

By definition it can't be rape if it's between consenting adults. But illustrations of rape can be boycotted or made illegal as long censorship is legal.

Matyko 01-07-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18674494)
adapt or get raped.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Cherry7 01-07-2012 10:30 AM

See a need for a lot of people to watch some French cinema to get up to speed on what you can see on the big screen.

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18675909)
It's funny watching some of these guys argue about what is legal, right, wrong, acceptable fake or real.

:thumbsup

Some people believe any adult content is wrong, morally or just pervacious! Anyone arguing what part of porn is right or wrong is just stupid.

We're in the adult business, deal with it! It's not real, it's erotic fantasy, it's for wanking. People watching this type of content are not fucked up neither....

Anyone watching films with cars & buildings blown up... happening also in real life. They don't go out & start blowing things up. Is this going to stop you watching action movies, no :2 cents:


I filmed a hardcore gangbang scene, it was 5 guys and Natalie, all enjoying themselves. They banged her front & back, facials & creampies, holding her down & really getting physical... A few vodkas & redbull on a friday night, I'm uploading the content to 1 of our paysites. I wrote 'Natalie gets raped by 5 guys', Why, well I was a little tipsy & feeling horny, was just spicing something already hardcore & spicy up, for the POS.
Due to a few guys on a forum, they mailed Epoch, Frank, who I get on very well with, phoned me & said, ahhh mate, I'm sorry but we have to remove your site due to VISA :(

Paul is right, VISA force the control, the billing companies allow anything, they think business not pleasure :pimp

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EukerVoorn (Post 18675516)
Have you checked that rape content? A lot is fake. I worry more about Visa, MasterCard and PayPal secretly processing for bestiality and child pornography.

Not necessarily secretly, but not knowing... The amount of tgps I see with pictures I think.. wow, this girl is barely 16 :(

All the content is fake, especially the force gag sites & tie & tease.

raymor 01-07-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18675880)
Exactly :2 cents:

2raymor: "Irréversible" has some long and very natural (explicit, graphic etc) scene of rape. Which is far more realistic than all these pathetic fake rape sites discussed in this thread. Google about it and you'll find out how many people found it extremely sexy. Tell me please why the hell this scene is doing in that movie? Is there some "artistic" reason for it? The answer is NO! It was included to make a bestseller. So everything is about money. The Irreversible made Monica Bellucci famous, but the rape simulated port will put its author into the US jail. What an irony? )

What about "Hostel", "A Serbian Film", "Saw" etc? No one normal person will want watch it. What sort of people is being targeted by these movies?

So in summary, The Irreversible is vile and disgusting? You're certainly not saying that because someone made a vile depiction of rape as erotic, other people should make more?

SmokeyTheBear 01-07-2012 11:22 AM

if cp were legal would you all say the same thing..? not my cup of tea but it's legal..

comparing rape porn to hollywood is silly, it is like comparing maxim to hustler.

the majority of people don't watch hollywood movies to get off on the rape scenes.

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:24 AM

Hostile is a fantastic film, but sick, yet... may as well watch a load of porn scenes with gangbang, bondage & fake rape considering they are not based on a true story & Hostile was.

The amount of people in this world the do not like any porn, they think it degrades a woman, I'm finding this thread & the people saying the fake rape sites are wrong, are pretty much one tracked minded mother xxxxxxxx.... what about my nan, what about your grandparents... they like to see solo content but not fake rape.... no, they wouldn't want to see any!

just a punk 01-07-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by raymor (Post 18676265)
So in summary, The Irreversible is vile and disgusting? You're certainly not saying that because someone made a vile depiction of rape as erotic, other people should make more?

I didn't say that, and I won't say it again. Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth. This is not a kind of mental problems (e.g. homosexuality), but just a matter of our wild instincts.

As about the "Irreversible", so it became disgusting (on my own opinion) right from the point when a raper started beating her in a very brutal manner. Yes, this part of scene was too hard for me, but I can't tell for others. Everybody has his own limits and borders :2 cents:

porno jew 01-07-2012 11:25 AM

it europe and japan this shit is common and tolerated. in the US it will get you jailed. keep those differences in mind, act accordingly.

porno jew 01-07-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18676293)
Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth.

o'rly? that might say more about your average russian maybe, than the rest of males on the planet. :1orglaugh

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18676285)
the majority of people don't watch hollywood movies to get off on the rape scenes.

No, of course not, but feel aroused when watching & seeing it. The common effect is that those that are uncontrolling & would never do this, find this more erousing to watch, IT'S FANTASY!

It's usually judges & barristers, whom are in control of peoples destiny, who like to be tormented or abused if seeing escorts & erotic meetings :2 cents:

SmokeyTheBear 01-07-2012 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 18676299)
No, of course not, but feel aroused when watching & seeing it.

i dont think the majority of people are aroused watching a rape scene in a movie theatre :2 cents:

baryl 01-07-2012 11:30 AM

I don't know why everyone keeps saying that simulated rape porn will land you in jail in the US because that isn't true.

just a punk 01-07-2012 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18676298)
o'rly? that might say more about your average russian maybe, than the rest of males on the planet. :1orglaugh

It can say a lot about average porno jews at well. Believe me. Rape is a hunting instinct - nothing more and nothing less. Should I explain you what basic instincts are and how exactly they work? Perhaps Google and Wikipedia will do the work your teachers were unable to handle...

FYI my stupid monkey: rape crime level in Russia is much lower than in the US for example.

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18676293)
Rape is exciting for the bigger % of males on the Earth.

You mean fake rape, when knowing that it is fantasy... :thumbsup

Most decent honest men would admit to enjoying to see a girl held down & fucked by a few guys, if they are not like this in real life. You also could find these are the guys that would risk their lives to stop it happening in real life also!


It's fantasy :thumbsup


I'd like to know what everyones grandparents think of solo scenes of girls degrading themselves infront of guys, so they can get off... Money controls this, so the girl is only agreeing to show her body due to the money offered, therefore a guy with plenty of money could buy anything, including silence.

Adult business is the adult business... everyone & everything is allowed, as long as you don't effect or control others.

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 18676305)
i dont think the majority of people are aroused watching a rape scene in a movie theatre :2 cents:

It can get you 2 ways... you feel the anger build up inside & want to jump into the screen & help or, you feel erotically charged, it depends on the situation & how the film was portrayed. But yes, ok, I see your point, hopefully you can see mine.

Ever found your knob wet from cum at the end & you hadn't had a hard on or have been frustrated not aroused?

porno jew 01-07-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18676311)

FYI my stupid monkey: rape crime level in Russia is much lower than in the US for example.

yes the stats show that because it is reported and prosecuted not a popular hobby like it is apparently is in mother russia.

ottopottomouse 01-07-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 18676313)
I'd like to know what everyones grandparents think of solo scenes of girls degrading themselves infront of guys, so they can get off...

Old people have incredibly fucked ideas about things - I wouldn't dare ask.

just a punk 01-07-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 18676313)
You mean fake rape, when knowing that it is fantasy... :thumbsup

Everything I wanted to say, I have said. A fantasy is just a fantasy and every one has a right to think about anything he/she want. There is the only rule: don't hurt a real people with a real action. This MUST be prosecuted, but only a real act - not thoughts/dreams etc.

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:40 AM

Ok, please watch this... is this wrong... for all you know the model didn't know that the guys came in & fuck her or it could have been set up by the fella.

http://adult-excitement.co.uk/previe...dintrusion.wmv

http://adult-excitement.co.uk/resour...trusion/l1.jpg

Obvious, Natalie knew the 2 guys that shot their load over & inside her, I also knew they were fucking her, due to filming the scene :2 cents:

just a punk 01-07-2012 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18676321)
yes the stats show that because it is reported and prosecuted not a popular hobby like it is apparently is in mother russia.

So why it's not "a popular hobby" here? May be because Russian men can afford sex with a woman without forcing her to do that? I don't know if you understand what I'm talking about however...

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 18676323)
Old people have incredibly fucked ideas about things - I wouldn't dare ask.

ahhhh I do worry that we have changed this world & made it too open & reserved, the youth thinking they can run around with guns, killings, abusing teachers in the class room, what if the old had the right methods. What if they were right... and true, I wouldn't have the disrespect to ask neither :thumbsup

ArsewithClass 01-07-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 18676324)
- not thoughts/dreams etc.

Wooooo!

No way, thoughts & dreams of rape!???! This is as bad as doing it! :2 cents:

I have never thought to myself about grabbing a bird and forcing sex on a female, nor have I dreamt it! Admittedly, I've always found women want it with me & therefore sex has always been to hand from 16 until now.

But to lay fantasising about it, I would have thought as bad as doing it. To make a script to film & shoot, is putting a fantasy for someone to watch. Creative, maybe slightly messed up, but hey let's take a look at quentin tarantino :pimp


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