my boy serge, learned a bit from him too :)

alright, gotcha. Maybe I just recall Aga who was such an asshole. Those np guys were so far up our ass when we launched dmpm, I couldn't believe it. They flamed us on our own board! LOL

What I learned from them? That what we were doing was successful, that's what I learned. Not in a positive way though. :1orglaugh

What do you call it when they stop paying and owe people money for their posts? LOL! :1orglaugh

another pioneer idea!!!!! :1orglaugh

People can say what they want about Meat and Aga but I can see that few know what they are talking about. What people did, who they helped, how kind they were at shows and who bought the drinks has NOTHING to do with how things ended. Just because someone was nice at shows, doesn't make them competent or competent business people.

The simple fact is that Meat is/was so fucking dumb, he needed help tying his shoes. I understand people like Meat but he had more than a few screws loose. Anyone denying that, doesn't know him and its as simple as that. Aga, for whatever reason seemed to feel he was Meats caretaker and made what I always thought to be an honest effort to babysit him and take care of him in spite of the fact that Meat was a massive liability in everything they were doing. No one could really understand this unless you knew what was going on behind the scenes and there were many many many people trying to convince Aga to part ways with Meat well before NPC died.

Afterall, Nick is posting here and he first took The Pond from Meat and fucked Meat out of his own forum because Meat was a fucking retard and a mess and a liability and a horrible business person... not because he woke up one day and said to himself "hey, i'm going to steal his domain because I can". Aga at least tried to help Meat and make it work without fucking him over... even though it was clear to all who knew what was going on that Meat was just going to drag Aga and every venture down.

There were many people trying to tell Aga "if you don't lose this guy, everything is going to fail" but Aga never cut his ties with Meat.

I don't believe Aga or Gregg had the intention to rip people off. Like any business ran by shitty and inept business people, it fell apart. All their ventures fell apart. All their partnerships fell apart. NP itself fell apart. They always mismanaged money even when NP was near its peak and Meat was living in a rented mansion (er.."NP headquarters"), flying the entire crew to shows etc. Once the domino's start falling, bill stop getting paid. All their ventures collapsed... from the board, to the dialer, to NPC/beta brigade or whatever.

Aga is smart, but it wasn't the smart guy that was the biggest problem. Among all their other problems, including any real lack of business sense, it was Aga's constant need to try to keep the painfully dumb guy and his endless string of "we gotta do this now" insanely stupid and poorly executed ideas from happening. If some of you people knew the shit that Aga had to spend his time talking Meat out of, you'd certainly have a different opinion of Meat. Aga never had the balls to sit Meat down and say "Hey man, uhm... maybe you aren't the right guy to be meeting with execs from British Telecom or the Russian government" - instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat.

People call a failing business "scammers" because the bills don't get paid. Businesses fail. Money runs out. People don't get paid when there's no money to pay. They didn't try to scam anyone, they just put themselves in the position where a lot of people ended up getting screwed as the board revenues and NPC collapsed at the about the same time.

who owns it now ?

I look at that and all I can think is GET THE FUCK OFF THE HOOD OF MY CAR!

i used to hangout alot at the pond...good times

Damn, who are you? LOL

Cannot argue with that summation in general at all. Except in fairness to me ;-), I babysat Meat for a couple of years !!!! , before myself and everyone involved in NP accepted he was never going to be anything more than a liability , so we tried to sorta pension him off.

"""instead, they went to important meetings where being at the top of your game is everything with an unintelligent, loud mouthed, disheveled lunatic with an IQ of 50 in the drivers seat."""

You missed "with tourets"...guy said fuck every 6th word lol

astute analysis as usual.

Imagine him dating that nasty 19 year old cam girl (cherry... something) and she actually brought him home to meet her parents. I would have paid 1000's to be at the dinner table that first night.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

And yeah... when a guys every other word is "fuck" or "cunt", that alone should be enough for any sane person to suggest he wait in the car while others conduct real business... never mind the fact that he looked like a homeless alcoholic.

Sorry but that?s not how I feel at all, those of us promoting NPC/CU were told week after week that it was a temporary glitch and that we were to be paid very soon - keep your banners up and all that. Even when the stats from CU disappeared, we were being told not to worry. We never once heard anything from meat or AGA saying sorry or anything like that, all we had were promises that payment would be soon. All dissenting threads on NP were quickly deleted. After both programmes disappeared I have emails from AGA telling me that he was only an employee and that he lost money too from the NP owners.

Meat and AGA seemed like nice guys from the little I knew of them from the boards but the way NP blew up nearly took me out of being an affiliate and almost forced me into a "proper" job (NPC was one of the sponsors I was pushing the most at the time), I was just making the move from a part-timer to a full-timer and was left with a very difficult choice to make, do I believe their promises or drop as much as I can quickly, luckily I made the correct decision but if they were honest about not paying people I could have been much quicker off the mark in reorganising my sites.

One of the other 5 was cunt :1orglaugh

That man was a champion swearer!

and is he dead or alive?

I remember mikesinner has 200,000 np points worth in money

Interesting read....

that guy looks like such a knob. it's amazing so many people trusted and respected him lol.

Headboy lost a lot too with those points.

Yeah, i understand how you feel. I was always raising an eyebrow when he was saying that stuff because I knew it wasn't true. It was hard for me to respect someone who was doing that, though I knew he wasn't "that guy". He was desperately trying to raise money with other projects to keep up with bills and payouts and keep traffic flowing but in the end, it didn't happen.

What i meant to say was "scammer" in the sense that its historically used in this biz means people just shut the doors to take the money by design. In this case, there was no money to be taken. I know they were completely broke and both hiding from various tax authorities on top of that. Aga isn't a nomad - (probably still in Gibralter) because he likes low key traveling on a budget.

In this case, there was no money to be taken... they basically just ran out of money. If you can get more webmasters to send traffic, you have a chance to catch back up... however if everyone pulls their links and there is a run on the bank so to speak, then its over no matter what and the result is still the same. So although it sucks, there is a good reason for trying to make things look ok and get people to keep sending traffic, whether its fair or not or right or wrong is another issue. My point was more than they didn't set out to steal from people, they basically were just inept in everything they did and made nothing but horrible decision after horrible decision that led to one spectacular crash and burn after another.

The old blogging forum over there was a great source of infos...

I learned a lot and made some great contacts I still class as mates and do business with today...

Shame it all went tits up...

Now I'm scratching my head trying to figure out who you are.

Meat could sometimes call me up very early in the morning and go on about his ideas and business. I've made my share of money in this business and could easily hear some of it were impossible. But I like the guy and he never asked for anything, no traffic from any of my sites back then, no money for business ideas, ect. Just some crazy and funny calls every now and then.

Mike

Learned quite a few things on NP, pitty it's how it is today. Even worse for those who lost money. I remember Rogue lost quite a few, same for HeadBoy with his domains thing and who knows how many lost money when NPC went downhill.

BTW, who owns it today?

we are like a group of pond refugees here

And called himself "Meat".

I'll try and confirm this tomorrow. His dad was really sick I know that and Meat was back looking out for him.

If its true.. in Meats own words.. "Thats fucking fucked."

And don't discredit the guy too much, he would blurt out 50 fucking fucked ideas and then one brilliant one, you just had to time it right.

First show I went to he meet up with me and said who do you know? I said no one, within 30 minutes I had meet everyone on the floor. Meet him in Amsterdam a few times as well.. Meat and his Bong heh. He stopped the pot a few years back though.

Yeah, it would be interesting to know. Its looks like its been left to fester (especially with that half finished skin), one thing i do know is that they still delete any thread mentioning NPC and CU or the non-payouts.
It looks like AGA still owns the domain the paysites were on.

Aga owns it still.

what are you up to now you old pikey

So is he dead? NP is the only place I got band.

So did I , and he isn't allowed to ban me lol , I have a lifetime free pass as a result of the sale.However , no one knows where to reach him.

This and that. ;-))

still stealing horses then hehe

hmmm do I know you?

I think you are.....hmmm My guess is you have left chatham or West Malling now..?

;-)

Interesting article.

So who are you then , you obviously know something about me.Shouldn't you be a man and identify yourself? :)

I'm starting to think you might be a dickhead.

but what the fuck... :)

I have seen plenty of barenuckle fights involving adults and have done some.And yup have seen kids sparring.

You think this might be a tad sensationalist report??..oh its the sun. LOL

Part of the latest gypsy reality shows it seems lol

First. Hands break before skulls.So in general in bareknuckle you learn that real young and hit accordingly.

Second. Nippers do not have the power.

Thirdly. You do not think their parents monitor and bar some cuts bruises and a black eye here and there , ensure they are prolly hurt less than the average kid playing rugby

There may be current modern fighters that can either confirm or argue it , but that would I suspect be better in a different thread.

Meat is alive. That's all I know.

Holy fuckity fuck fuck fuck!!
Meat? is that you??? :Oh crap

I lost a ton of points there :( did meat die ?

he owes me $40 worth in NP points

How much meat does nikki have>?

Did you confirm?