The problem with self regulation is it means people have to police their sites and the sites of people they do business with. So far the excuse often used is "We're too big." Which is the normal BS.

The real problem isn't the cost of policing a site. Unless you factor in the loss of traffic. It's the will to police your site. And that will, has to be enforced with as severe as required penalties to enforce policing.

For instance. Telling affiliates or companies you do business with, that you are policing, banning and not paying sites that are sending traffic or business from sites "Dedicated to piracy". This will initially start people with these sites to think about moving their traffic or business or changing their ways.

Then companies who will get penalised will have to check where traffic or business is coming from, start at the top and work down. Some will be automatically approved because they are well known, others will take a few minutes. They may have a little part but not "Dedicated to piracy". Some will take a little longer. And a few will take no time at all. Like some of the piracy forums, how long will it take to decide what Piratebay's business is based on?

New affiliates or companies are warned not to register if their sites are "Dedicated to piracy" and what happens if they are caught.

A company will soon find a lot of people and companies with sites "Dedicated to piracy" going elsewhere. Without the force of a law, this isn't going to happen. Then the playing field gets more level. Sites will have to police themselves or lose billing, advertisers, etc. Or be completely cut off from US funds. No CC processing, less advertisers will immediately hit their income.

One problem is, it's too easy to open a domain and start up today online. A domain registrant can be invisible by using one of many registrars who keep the registrants info secret. What's required to get the info they have? Then we don't know if the info is true.

And then just be a pirate, sell some traffic, take some ads, be an affiliates etc.

I would understand if people now, who turn a blind eye to piracy and say nothing were to tell us this is the way the world is. For instance, ST sells traffic. How much of that traffic comes from sites "Dedicated to piracy", VS have a problem making sure their ads and pop ups don't appear on sites "Dedicated to piracy" and Live Jasmin seems to also be hand in hand with pirates.

In fact given the ease and anonymity of setting up a site. How do we know who owns piracy sites. ST, GG, PJ and a few more anti stopping any legislation might own a few. No body really knows if I don't own a few.

And that's no way to run an industry.

paul the problem is it 100 times more expensive for a tube site to validate the content then the copyright holder to validate the content

look at the universal vs mega upload issue that is currently going on

people on slashdot (supports of universal) are making arguements that universal contract grants them copyright of anything those artst say /sing.

that it was ok to send a takedown even though mega upload fully paid those artist for the endorsement, record it in their studios, wrote the song and owned the copyright to the song lyrics because the words came out of that artist mouth.

youtube couldn't confirm or deny that arguement because they don't have access to the contract

Universal on the other hand just has to walk down the hall and look up the contracts.

that why i argue for balancing the act with an equal penalty, because the company that has the necessary access to records would therefore have an insentive to only take rights that contract actually gives them.

At least it appears that there's an awareness of the dangers of SOPA. But I just think anyone who is vehemently against the bill is feeling the catastrophic, earth-shattering dread of not being able to get shit for free anymore -- or make money from it in some way. There are livelihoods based on the ability to rob content. I'd be scared of having to find another way to scam/scrape a living, but I'd probably be someone with no talent for anything. Maybe digging ditches or working at Starbucks could be a possibility.

I am as anti piracy as you can get and get into arguments all the time with the freeloading fucktards. I am also intelligent enough to not support stupid legislation from a stupid government that will use it to make their buddies richer while fucking the population. And I know it won't work anyhow.

sopa seems very watered down now anyway.

If some here have difficulty recognizing your anti piracy credentials that might be because you (and the rest of the SOPA critics) seem to oppose anything and everything that might combat it.

Keep in mind that the only effective way to deter others from what one views as a flawed solution is to suggest a better one.

I for one don't see anyone doing that.

Might that be because something like SOPA is the only solution?

I oppose every stupid thing presented to combat it. I oppose Steve Lightspeed threatening lawsuits and exposure to fans that have downloaded his tired old content on torrent sites, I oppose SOPA and I will oppose anything else that will will give the government more power without addressing the actual problem.

Want to stop pirates? Skip DMCA all together. Let content producers sue pirates directly and without hassle. Don't make it cost prohibitive to get a court order to track down the bastards. When the case gets to court let the penalties for blatant theft be stronger than those for someone posting some funny image to their friends. Make the court process reasonably fast and make sure the judgments are fairly standard.

In fact, if someone is found to be a habitual offender (uploading videos to file lockers, putting seasons of The Simpsons on YouTube, etc) then fine the ever loving shit out of them and make them surrender all accounts and websites used. On the same note, if it was innocent infringement like posting funny images or saying MONSTER CABLE SUCKS DICK then the company bringing the lawsuit should get slapped around in court, a fine for wasting everyones time, pay all court costs and compensate the accused. In the same vein, when the RIAA sues someone for downloading songs but tries to get millions of dollars out of them because they also "shared" those songs (by default with most programs) then make a fucking example out of them. Stop letting corporations use their money and willingness to push people around to make a mockery of the courts and stop letting pirates hide behind DMCA or anonymity because court orders are such a pain in the ass.

There is no reason to bring YouTube, Google or Facebook into this shit. Sue the people fucking up and let the rest of us go about our business. :2 cents:

Nobody offers a different solution because they don't really want a solution.
They want to continue to rip content and that is the only solution for them.

And the alternative solutions for SOPA are the old solutions :

- Get permission / pay fees / collaborate

That's how hulu.com does it.

Bottom line: people who fear SOPA don't want to get permission, pay fees or collaborate.

And the online adult model was built on a simple collaboration of "use my content, give me a link back".

That was just too hard for some people though.

:disgust

Pirates operating out of the Ukraine and Slovakia is a bit of a hassle no? Pirates that don't give a shit about a ruling in an American court. Pirates that hide behind Chinese and Ukrainian whois protect services that have no physical address and an email that bounces. Pirates that are using ISP's based in the Netherlands who are havens for spammers, phishers and content thieves and could care less about a US lawsuit. Pirates who operate off not .com's or .net's and instead use domains outside of any US jurisdiction.

This is the biggest part that people don't realize. We aren't talking about bring a kid in Reseda, CA to justice. We're talking about dudes in the Ukraine, Russian Federation, China, Vietnam, etc. These aren't just kids doing it for extra scratch. These are criminal organizations being given cover by their countries because in case you haven't realized it...these countries could care less about US intellectual property.

I'm not all for SOPA, a lot of it is flawed. But it's a step, the first of many more steps. A lot of other countries are watching us to see what we can get passed before they enact their own laws. Eventually the parasite countries will have their own IP and then they'll care, but in case you haven't been paying attention. That country called China doesn't really give a fuck about US IP, much less any court order from Judge Judy in the United States.

The only people bringing YouTube, Google or Facebook into this are the people trying to use the fear of losing those sites in order to protect The Pirate Bay.

Read the freaking law...it says the site has to be nearly TOTALLY DEDICATED to the infringement of copyright. The sites you mentioned DO NOT fall under this definition. Furthermore, the entire law is geared towards FOREIGN ROGUE SITES that don't comply with DMCA. I've sent shitloads of DMCAs to Google, Youtube and Facebook and they comply with DMCAs. YouTube has 3 strikes, Facebook has similar and Google removes URLs from it's index within a few hours. These aren't the sites SOPA is concerned with. But if you want to keep being a tool for the Electronic Freeloader Foundation to spread fear mongering lies, you do it knowing you're being manipulated.

There is a reason to bring them into this... They are making money directing people to stolen content, selling ads while people watch stolen content, and not wanting to regulate websites they control but just milk them for max profit.

They wouldn't be in it if they were not publishing the content.
No surfer uploaded google images. :1orglaugh

Google images is fucking ridiculous.
If google video worked like google images and the video would play while blocking
the actual webpage you would shit bricks when you saw you entire website ripped there.

Exactly. Youtube is pretty much exempt from SOPA because it has way more legal content
than illegal uploads and does take down content when requested.

The claim that SOPA would shut down youtube is just plain garbage.
But we can always count on "spin" coming from violators to suck in naive people.

Yeah, nobody brings them into it at all. There aren't any idiots, especially in this very thread, that equate Google images with copyright infringement. Oh way, there is a page two. :Oh crap

since sopa is only going after foreign websites which foreign websites do you perceived as stealing sales from you? can you name one?

Why? Just so you can play the 'download isn't a lost sale' argument and feel like that wins you the debate?

Way to dodge my entire post. It's okay that you can't answer my reply but hold me accountable to what another person said.

Good dodge.

You are making the point that people bringing up Google, FB or YT in this thread somehow means that SOPA is targeting Google, FB and YT is a nice attempt to obfuscate the issue. EFF would be proud of you.

Exactly.

And the real rub here is that is precisely those aspects of (the original) SOPA, which worry people the most, that are in fact the only tools that will work against the offenders you've just described.

It's an ugly situation and, as is all too often the case, pretty solutions don't often lend themselves to such.

Whatever ultimately goes down however, I don't think there can be much question as to who paved the way.

It would have been nice to see the criminal organizations like the Phaze group, Liam Jones' network and the HornyWhores/LiveMedia crime rings have to defend themselves. But luckily for them they are protected by people who think that any law the government passes will take away their cute kitten videos on YouTube. The criminals are loving all the free lobbying being done on their behalf.

Sad but true.

Electing cats and dogs

There does need to be a service that keeps track of all content rights and sales. So you can simply plug in the content owners name to see if they are registered to use the content.

A central registered content database.

All content providers would need to file all sales there.

And of course you would need to pay to use it.