Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18690114)

Most games on Steam can be easily pirated but they have still seen 100% growth year after year because they made the delivery method nice for the end user, run sales on games all the time and don't treat their customers like shit. When Steam has good sales on games thousands of people buy them just because the price is reasonable and don't even play them for months or years if at all. People don't mind spending money, they mind spending it on overpriced crap you can get anywhere from industries that have a history of shady shit all the way back to day one.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18691085)

The lesser popular will soon become the more popular and that's how it will keep going. Like shooting ducks at the fun fair, new ones will always pop up. To cut piracy you have to attack the funding. Traffic brokers, advertisers, billers, etc.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18691140)

Yes of course. But my point is that 90% of piracy can be still curbed this way. The popular sites make up for 90% of the total piracy. Take them down, and you are effectively solving most of the problem. Rinse and repeat with the new sites.

No matter what they do, change DNS, Sites, Method, Wording, Whatever the one thing that should be don'e is the constant removal of the top pirate places in what ever form they may come in. 90% of all users will be to lazy to search for new sites.

Advertising pirate sites should be illegal as well and everything else you said. But getting rid of the top players kinda solves 90% of the problem and this is not too bad IMHO.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18691140)

Yes of course. But my point is that 90% of piracy can be still curbed this way. The popular sites make up for 90% of the total piracy. Take them down, and you are effectively solving most of the problem. Rinse and repeat with the new sites.

No matter what they do, change DNS, Sites, Method, Wording, Whatever the one thing that should be don'e is the constant removal of the top pirate places in what ever form they may come in. 90% of all users will be to lazy to search for new sites.

Advertising pirate sites should be illegal as well and everything else you said. But getting rid of the top players kinda solves 90% of the problem and this is not too bad IMHO.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 18691175)

Taking down the X number sites won't really stop (or even put a dent in piracy)

Take torrents for example: as long as people have the .tor files on their computers and the torrent program running files will still spread no matter is the tracking sites are up or down.

and it takes nothing to toss up a new torrent tracker site.

Originally Posted by Loki (Post 18691175)

The scope is just really too big, between IRC, newgroups, deepweb, lockers, message boards, torrents, chans, password sites (org started by own own industry :( ) etc etc etc
The genie is out of the bottle, can't put it back in
-Loki-

Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18691195)

Making up stats doesn't help the discussion.

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18690242)

Even after talking to both my kids about downloading pirated music and videos they still did not seem to grasp why it was wrong, its a culture thing all thier friends do it too, they used to share music with friends on thier phones at school and its going to be hard to break.

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn (Post 18690187)

And then when someone takes your property and you phone the police, they go after the thief and punish him and give you back your property (in the perfect situation). Then when someone steals your content on the internet and you phone the police, they don't have a clue to where to start, so they won't do anything at all. So the problem is at law enforcement not enforcing laws on the internet. There is no western country that has exceptions for the internet in its intelligent property laws.

Paul's idea to basically replace law enforcement by a citizen initiative won't work because the thieves will simply piss all over it and get away with it.

Originally Posted by EukerVoorn (Post 18690203)

People looking for quality porn are still willing to pay $40 for a good DVD and distributing your porn on DVD only is a very good option at the moment because it will take much longer before it gets ripped and ends up on the internet. Because content thieves are unlikely to buy a DVD to rip it and they are also very lazy.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18691212)

Not making anything up at all, just saying that 90% of piracy is done by the top players, who are easy to ID and take off the net. By taking out 90% of the problem you have, for a short time, solved 90% of the problem.

Rinse and repeat. Big players are easy to target.

Originally Posted by bristarrmodel (Post 18689820)

If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18689829)

Then don't buy it. It's that simple.

A Rolex costs $20,000, why does it cost so much? ... I think I should be allowed to steal it instead. No you either do without, work harder to afford it or buy from a less expensive watch maker. Pretty fucking simple.

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18689914)

Are you really this fucking simple minded? When I jump into discussion on GFY I like to assume that no matter how much I call you an idiot that you are at least intelligent enough to understand what I'm saying. The more I read from you the more I believe that you actually are this stupid.

Let's break this shit down.

You were asked "If products are reasonably priced piracy can be reduced but never deterred. Who the hell pays for 40 bucks for a porno dvd and why should it cost that much?"

A reasonable question because places like STEAM have shown that if you price your digital goods at a level that your consumers consider acceptable and provide a good user experience then piracy is mostly a non issue.

You responded with what I quoted above.



$30 per month porn is Rolex pricing in the internet world. Not for all, just most.



Oh this argument again? Nobody here is saying that anyone should be able to steal your shit, just that you can't fucking stop it. Can you get that through your head? You can't fucking stop this shit, you aren't going to, you are going to have to adjust, die or float along at a fraction of your former glory because you are too bitter and stubborn to do anything about it.



I sure do, too bad most of the internet does not give a fuck about L-Pink from GFY. Now what are you going to do? The law is not going to save you, ever.

Also, you're all self righteous about how you would never pirate anything so obviously you must be an upstanding moral citizen that doesn't do anything one would find questionable. You know, like produce or sell porn?

The fact of the matter is that piracy can't be stopped. When someone tells you that and you jump in with all the reasons you are against it *again* it makes you look retarded. We know you are against it, almost every fucking person here would be happy if magically stopped tomorrow but it's not going to happen.

And one more tidbit just for the record. Copyright laws were intended to keep the flow of information going. They were not created with the purpose of making sure you get paid for every video of a girl being tag teamed by 5 guys that you "own". They begrudgingly accepted the fact that "artistic works" would be copyrighted to give you a monetary incentive to keep releasing them to the public but they never gave a shit about you making money from your ideas. Copyright was for the greater good of society, not your pocketbook. The only reason that all of the arguments fall onto protecting your income streams is that corporations have a lopsided influence on our laws.

Cheers

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 18691675)

Stealing because you think a product is overpriced is still stealing. Do without the product or look for something cheaper. That's my point. Don't justify theft by blaming the owner for setting a price point you don't agree with. And thanks for the hostility.

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Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 18691422)

Traffic sources?

Piracy is fragmented between hundreds if not thousands of websites.

Originally Posted by Maxxx9000 (Post 18689647)

We hang them all, and leave one haning in the harbour. Pirates ye be warned!

http://blogallalong.com/images/pirates_be_warned.jpg

Originally Posted by Redrob (Post 18690717)

We could just outlaw UNMODERATED, user-generated content. Everybody should be responsible for what they have on their websites in my opinion. God knows, with 2257, adult sites should be in total control of their content.

Just my opinion...

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18691905)

hundreds no problem...thousands? also no problem...turning them off is no problem at all...

Look I'm new to porn but as far as piracy goes I really really know what I'm talking about I used to have 6 shops and 18 workers till they outlawed it in my country back in '99. Razor1911/DOD/SKiDROW back in the Amiga and early PC days were all suppliers of mine sending me DAT tapes with "content" literally every 2-3 days by post.

We had "affiliates" that used to sell our amiga floppy disks/ later PC CDs on every corner. 200 sales/day easy. Competition was through the roof! Every kid and his gold fish sold pirated stuff and it sold like hot cakes!

Complete pirate heaven.

So what happened?


One law and one police "operation" later we were left with no affiliates and no shops to sell from because they got closed. Then a few months later "operation bucanner" happened it took out all my suppliers. I had tons of cash but could not reorganize. The real problem was the customers I had built over the years and the relationship with my suppliers. It was a golden triangle supplier-seller-buyers and we did not "find" each other again. It was never the same. It had a detrimental negative effect on everything. I could not make enough money to pay my workers, previously I could cover their salaries with maybe 1-2 days of good work. No money for new titles, even though I found new suppliers the quality of product never returned to what it used to be nor did the number of new titles/month come back to what it was.

All in all, in synergy, all these things lead to me closing all shops in a matter of a few months.

Today you can STILL get pirated DVDs maybe in 2-3 places in some dark alley in my city. But I consider the efforts of the police a total victory being that most sales now are made in shops that sell original content.

I respectfully disagree with anybody who says that piracy can not be stopped. I have seen it reduced to a joke. I have seen my mickey mouse government take care of it like it was nothing. People were used to getting stuff for free but this meant NOTHING. They got used to buying stuff.

Same story now with the net. It's just a question of action.

Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 18690242)

Not much porn on mobiles atm but I have seen it being done and then sent to other friends, This will only get bigger in time just like the mainstream videos and music they rip and use for ringtones, very popular to rip music from youtube to mobiles and very easily done atm. Torrents are used by novices very much, I found out that even my own daughter was using torrents some years ago as were most of her freinds at school, thankfully she has grown up and no longer uses them anymore, as for social networks the users use them to spread urls by emails and chat.

Even after talking to both my kids about downloading pirated music and videos they still did not seem to grasp why it was wrong, its a culture thing all thier friends do it too, they used to share music with friends on thier phones at school and its going to be hard to break. I can happily say that both of my kids have both left school and grown up and no longer download pirated music. But I wouldent be suprised if my son and all of his mates do the same thing with porn given the chance even though they know its wrong.

Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18690550)

I was quite clear in what I wrote. Copyright protection did not come about because they thought "Wow, these people need to get rich on their ideas!" it came about to ensure that more works would be released with cash incentives being a trade off they had to accept. Most here talk as if copyright was intended to grant them lifetime ownership of their content because it was theirs and they deserve it but that is not what was originally intended. The reason that attitude is so prevalent is the influence of corporations on our current laws.

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 18690975)

Pretty simple. Pull the domains after X number of DMCA's that prove to be correct.