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stocktrader23 01-22-2012 02:51 PM
Man I don't even remember what we were talking about but I don't think he's fighting for the industry at all. He's fighting for his pocketbook, lol. In fact, I am quite worried about one company buying up as much as they can, especially ones smart enough to generate their own traffic on an epic scale.

Now Paul will be in here saying I'm going to be at McDonalds soon because they will put me out of business. No, I just don't want to even worry about someone I promote getting bought out and things changing to something that has a negative effect on me. I won't die if they buy every adult company on earth Paul, leave me alone.

DWB 01-22-2012 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18704425)

Now Paul will be in here saying I'm going to be at McDonalds soon because they will put me out of business. No, I just don't want to even worry about someone I promote getting bought out and things changing to something that has a negative effect on me. I won't die if they buy every adult company on earth Paul, leave me alone.
You can stay 1 step ahead of Paul if you can calculate how many toilets they will need to add per office per each company they acquire.

MaDalton 01-22-2012 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18704590)
You can stay 1 step ahead of Paul if you can calculate how many toilets they will need to add per office per each company they acquire.
buy shares of Villeroy & Boch and thank me later :glugglug

Qbert 01-22-2012 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18704650)
buy shares of Villeroy & Boch...
Best advice I've seen on this board in years :thumbsup

JFK 01-22-2012 11:13 PM
Two fitty

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/galle...2/t/z07510.jpg

Paul Markham 01-23-2012 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18702749)
He explained in his speech what he thinks about piracy, how he fights it and also explained that you can't really exterminate it. Personally I think that file lockers and forum sites where you find complete copies from pay sites did more harm as tube sites.
File lockers are top of the tree for some downloaders. Remove them, the traffic ends up on Tubes. It's a cascading system.

As for fighting piracy, well that he's vague about. He said he can't delete whole accounts of people who break his TOS, well we know that's BS. He never did come back with a definitive answer from his lawyers on that one. Advertising on a piracy site isn't fighting piracy, it's funding it.

Quote:
In short, a WS firm/bank handing out 9 figure "cash" loan to a guy who went bankrupt and just 5 years earlier was freelancing whoring for coding jobs? Wake up as you can almost see his attorneys handler leash in the video.
We are all assuming the money came from bankers. Knowing what's required to get a bank loan in good times in a flourishing industry and with a track record of a profit margin that would make many gasp. I doubt like you these financiers are bankers as we know them. The financial sector on this size of "loan" would of wanted some pretty water tight guarantees and collateral?

I said $100,000,000 Fabian implied it was a more. So does a financial organisation just "loan" a porn company $150,000,000 or $200,000,000. Or do they say "Go Public" and we will buy the shares?

Or did the money come from elsewhere?

One thing is 100% for sure. We will never be told.

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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18704078)
That made me laugh, hard. BUT if he was truly able to pitch a WS bank for a 9 figure cash loan for this industry with his past bankruptcy? He's totally in the wrong business as I personally, would of paid a lot of money just to be a fly on the wall during that pitch and close.
You don't pitch to a banker. You lay down hard facts. Usually backed with collateral.

My company is currently worth $100,000,000 which we got from ??????????. Still here are my figures for the last 3-4 years, figures of the industry turn over for the last 5 years, figures of our projection of the industry for the next 5 years. Which is the time we will repay a loan from you of $200,000,000.

Yes that's a pitch. Into the dumpster. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 01-23-2012 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18704146)
WS banks rarely if ever give VC "cash" loans in the 9 figures. If they did, why I would of paid to been a fly on that wall. You see, I've walked WS with a great business expansion plan and raised significant amount of funds with a solid pitch. None will give you a "cash" loan because it will bring too much attention from competition and auditing agencies.

Besides, WS banks primary interest for loaning that kind of money is if the company is going to go public in the future. They couldn't give a flying fuck about companies who want to stay private with their cash loan investment.

If Manwin in the future decided to go public, I'd mortgage my house/property and sell everything I could to buy as much stock as possible, then immediately find a hedge fund firm.
+1

Now I've learned he said it was a WS bank. I'm getting more of the doubtful Thomas thoughts.

WS banks are not getting a good press at the moment. So what's the odds they will make a 9 figure cash loan to a porn company with a string of sites like Manwin has? I can think of one company not a million miles from WS who would love to know about this NYT is the initials you're looking for.

Forget about the spreadsheets, forecasts, collateral, etc. Think of the headlines.

WALL STREET BANKERS
LOAN ONLINE
PORN COMPANY
$200,000,000 IN CASH.


Now does that sound like something WS is going to get into in 2010?

Mainstream Internet with tangible goods, very likely. To a company with no record of this retail market on or offline? Not likely.

Paul Markham 01-23-2012 06:42 AM
To fitty wun

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18705620)
File lockers are top of the tree for some downloaders. Remove them, the traffic ends up on Tubes. It's a cascading system.

As for fighting piracy, well that he's vague about. He said he can't delete whole accounts of people who break his TOS, well we know that's BS. He never did come back with a definitive answer from his lawyers on that one. Advertising on a piracy site isn't fighting piracy, it's funding it.



We are all assuming the money came from bankers. Knowing what's required to get a bank loan in good times in a flourishing industry and with a track record of a profit margin that would make many gasp. I doubt like you these financiers are bankers as we know them. The financial sector on this size of "loan" would of wanted some pretty water tight guarantees and collateral?

I said $100,000,000 Fabian implied it was a more. So does a financial organisation just "loan" a porn company $150,000,000 or $200,000,000. Or do they say "Go Public" and we will buy the shares?

Or did the money come from elsewhere?

One thing is 100% for sure. We will never be told.



You don't pitch to a banker. You lay down hard facts. Usually backed with collateral.

My company is currently worth $100,000,000 which we got from ??????????. Still here are my figures for the last 3-4 years, figures of the industry turn over for the last 5 years, figures of our projection of the industry for the next 5 years. Which is the time we will repay a loan from you of $200,000,000.

Yes that's a pitch. Into the dumpster. :1orglaugh

MaDalton 01-23-2012 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18705733)
+1

Now I've learned he said it was a WS bank. I'm getting more of the doubtful Thomas thoughts.

WS banks are not getting a good press at the moment. So what's the odds they will make a 9 figure cash loan to a porn company with a string of sites like Manwin has? I can think of one company not a million miles from WS who would love to know about this NYT is the initials you're looking for.

Forget about the spreadsheets, forecasts, collateral, etc. Think of the headlines.

WALL STREET BANKERS
LOAN ONLINE
PORN COMPANY
$200,000,000 IN CASH.


Now does that sound like something WS is going to get into in 2010?

Mainstream Internet with tangible goods, very likely. To a company with no record of this retail market on or offline? Not likely.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qfxIivkSZL...y-pictures.jpg

:winkwink:

Nicky 01-23-2012 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 18705776)
:1orglaugh

porno jew 01-23-2012 10:30 AM
he bought playboy because it provides them an in to tv / cable markets.

Wizzo 01-23-2012 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18706140)
he bought playboy because it provides them an in to tv / cable markets.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

Barefootsies 01-23-2012 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18706137)
Finally, the more companies he buys and goes public? - The more he can legitimize cash.
As he said in the speech, 'they look at themselves as more of a TECHNOLOGY company than a porn company'. He also stated they were looking in the mainstream side for some opportunities, and sharing their software.

Once they get some mainstream diversity, they would be able to pass for a TECHNOLOGY company more than a porn company. Which would allow them to go public or whatever their true end goal is. However, going public has a lot of draw backs, so I doubt they are in any rush.

:2 cents:

stocktrader23 01-23-2012 10:58 AM
Yes Paul, he made up the 9 figure loan and instead shit out a printing press and made lots of $1 bills as to not draw attention to the counterfeits.

porno jew 01-23-2012 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18706192)
If the markets were so profitable or a good outlet, do you think Playboy would of sold them? Also, I highly doubt you'll ever see Brazzers type content on the PBC. He simply bought a trusted Adult brand to legitimize his growing empire. The same reason why he gave a speech (damage control) due to his past reputation.
he has stated multiple times why they partnered with playboy and in the keynote as well. makes sense to me.

madm1k3 01-23-2012 11:03 AM
Yep another great Internext speech?

This reminds me of the last internext seminar I went to where hosting companies promised everyone that "illegal tubes" would be shut down, or that they wouldn't host such sites. And everyone went out of the room smiling, saying these guys are all right.

So this guy gets up there and gives a speech about how Manwin is a tech company and really doesn't like pirated content and on his sites there is none, and everyone walks away smiling again?

stocktrader23 01-23-2012 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by madm1k3 (Post 18706200)
Yep another great Internext speech?

This reminds me of the last internext seminar I went to where hosting companies promised everyone that "illegal tubes" would be shut down, or that they wouldn't host such sites. And everyone went out of the room smiling, saying these guys are all right.

So this guy gets up there and gives a speech about how Manwin is a tech company and really doesn't like pirated content and on his sites there is none, and everyone walks away smiling again?
What do you expect him to do? He didn't even start these tubes, he bought them. The industry has changed and you either deal with what's in front of you or bitch on GFY. He is dealing, you are bitching.

Roald 01-23-2012 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18706192)
If the markets were so profitable or a good outlet, do you think Playboy would of sold them? Also, I highly doubt you'll ever see Brazzers type content on the PBC. He simply bought a trusted Adult brand to legitimize his growing empire. The same reason why he gave a speech (damage control) due to his past reputation.
besides having access to the channels the Playboy brand is much more accepted in mainstream making it easier to get deals done.

madm1k3 01-23-2012 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18706209)
What do you expect him to do? He didn't even start these tubes, he bought them. The industry has changed and you either deal with what's in front of you or bitch on GFY. He is dealing, you are bitching.
I'm not bitching, I don't give a fuck. I just find it funny how 1 speech can change the opinion of a guy who was hated on this board. And if you beleive he just happened to buy some major tube sites... guess you enjoyed the speech

Mike Dutch 01-23-2012 11:21 AM
some people need to adapt or stop posting here if you cant, since it means you out of business

DWB 01-23-2012 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18706140)
he bought playboy because it provides them an in to tv / cable markets.
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 18706211)
besides having access to the channels the Playboy brand is much more accepted in mainstream making it easier to get deals done.
You guys do realize that MANY studios have TV & cable deals without Playboy? It's not difficult to do if you have the right material and what is acceptable for broadcast. Most companies will shoot for such outlets along side of their hardcore scenes then edit a broadcast version with the soft scenes. Many, many companies do this already.

Of course Playboy will get a few more doors open, but without them they would have been fine if they shot the right scenes, which I'm sure they did. So I don't believe they did it just to get their foot in the broadcast door. It makes more sense to say they just wanted to be a powerhouse in that market like they are in every other market. In that case, you would go after Playboy and Digital Playground. But not just so they can have that as an outlet.

DamianJ 01-23-2012 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch (Post 18706245)
some people need to adapt or stop posting here if you cant, since it means you out of business
That would only leave 3 people posting here.

:)

DWB 01-23-2012 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Dutch (Post 18706245)
some people need to adapt or stop posting here if you cant, since it means you out of business
You do know that you can do your own thing, not have to use unethical business practices, disagree with people, and still make a living, don't you?

Paul Markham 01-23-2012 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 18706249)
That would only leave 3 people posting here.

:)
Who are the other 2?

I retired and that's adapting. :thumbsup

We will all find out soon enough or it's a non porn plan. No legit financier puts up 9 figures for things that will happen in 12 months. So we should all just chill and wait it out. This business is too extreme in it's attitude sometimes. One minute Fabian/Manwin is the most hated man/company in porn, then he/they are the most loved.

This is for sure, for many of you, Manwin are competition. Even affiliates.

DWB 01-23-2012 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesus H Christ (Post 18706354)
Look at the big picture. A guy with practically unlimited cash, who's snapping up companies with heavy CC processing, has advanced knowledge in massive CC processing, and the advanced knowledge sewing it all together. In short, "most" of the companies he's buying are irrelevant, accept for post established processing (cake) or public (icing) appeal. It's not that hard to figure out where he's going with this.

Although it's fun to speculate as none of us truly know, but if I were a betting man, and I am, I'd buy his stock in a heartbeat if he went public just so I can hedge against it, if possible. Why?

I've been around the block more times then even I care to remember, but also know, those who can't manage or control their simple energy intake, can never go the true distance. It's usually a sign of much greater problems and what I'd be betting against.
I agree with that. He said in the video he'd have to find a mainstream venture before he could think about going public, and that is probably exactly what he'll do. Who knows, maybe they'll buy Facebook. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Mr Cheeks 01-23-2012 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dr.BoB (Post 18701852)
good looking out. much appreciated..

SZNY 01-23-2012 02:58 PM
So he gave a speech, made his point, shared his vision and explained in his words how he all did it. He is now the biggest player in this industry by controlling all the chains he needs.

Now as a Tech company with an army of employees, consultants, lawyers and a bunch of shared toilets he now has to connect the dots and monetize all his acquisitions.

The question is what is the rest of the competition (from what is left) going to do? Alliance with other adult companies to form a strong pact, join forces with MW (within LegendaryStats) or continuing in solo mode?

stocktrader23 01-23-2012 03:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18706702)

The question is what is the rest of the competition (from what is left) going to do? Alliance with other adult companies to form a strong pact, join forces with MW (within LegendaryStats) or continuing in solo mode?
Would be smart for a few companies to get together on a new delivery method / mega site ala NetFlix. Put some of the older content there, accept that you won't get $30 per month and cross sales out of every customer and enjoy a new revenue stream. Or wait until Manwin is licensing your content up front to get a million $14.95 per month customers of their own. :thumbsup

Paul Markham 01-23-2012 03:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SZNY (Post 18706702)
The question is what is the rest of the competition (from what is left) going to do? Alliance with other adult companies to form a strong pact, join forces with MW (within LegendaryStats) or continuing in solo mode?
:thumbsup

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Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18706737)
Would be smart for a few companies to get together on a new delivery method / mega site ala NetFlix. Put some of the older content there, accept that you won't get $30 per month and cross sales out of every customer and enjoy a new revenue stream. Or wait until Manwin is licensing your content up front to get a million $14.95 per month customers of their own. :thumbsup
That's the hard part. The big ones will want to run it, so let them do a buy out or a deal. Still it will be like Princes sharing the Kingdom and lead to in fighting. If they can get past that, it could work.

Putting together a site with approx 10,000 scenes, across the 3-5 top niches. With people feeding traffic into tours slanted towards the niche they are targeting. Pricing $14.95 approx, could work. Give affiliates 2 options, keep sending or go.

Or offering a week in this site, week in that and so on for four weeks at $14.95 and let the customer choose what 4 he likes the best. He could even select once in his first choice.

Now can BB, RK and a few others get their heads around it?

porno jew 01-23-2012 08:42 PM
pimproll already has sites like that. did it make them the netflix of porn? no.

alias 01-23-2012 08:44 PM
If you actually read a Paul Markham post, you just got fucked.

mikesouth 01-24-2012 01:30 AM
What i don't get is why everyone believes all the bullshit....haven't we heard this before? We don't own tubesites.....

I gotta good idea that Manwin owns a LOT more of porn valley than people know...that new testing clinic and AVN for starters

mikesouth 01-24-2012 01:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stocktrader23 (Post 18706737)
would be smart for a few companies to get together on a new delivery method / mega site ala netflix. Put some of the older content there, accept that you won't get $30 per month and cross sales out of every customer and enjoy a new revenue stream. Or wait until manwin is licensing your content up front to get a million $14.95 per month customers of their own. :thumbsup
........bingo!........

That or be relegated to micro niche content

JFK 01-24-2012 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by madm1k3 (Post 18706200)
Yep another great Internext speech?

This reminds me of the last internext seminar I went to where hosting companies promised everyone that "illegal tubes" would be shut down, or that they wouldn't host such sites. And everyone went out of the room smiling, saying these guys are all right.

So this guy gets up there and gives a speech about how Manwin is a tech company and really doesn't like pirated content and on his sites there is none, and everyone walks away smiling again?
I think you hit the nail, right on the head ! It's all about the Smiles :winkwink::thumbsup

Paul Markham 01-24-2012 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18707240)
pimproll already has sites like that. did it make them the netflix of porn? no.
Was that in reply to my post?

Can you point me to them please.

RTP 01-24-2012 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 18706805)

Putting together a site with approx 10,000 scenes, across the 3-5 top niches. With people feeding traffic into tours slanted towards the niche they are targeting. Pricing $14.95 approx, could work. Give affiliates 2 options, keep sending or go.

Or offering a week in this site, week in that and so on for four weeks at $14.95 and let the customer choose what 4 he likes the best. He could even select once in his first choice.

Now can BB, RK and a few others get their heads around it?
stop giving out the magic formula for free

:mad:

Konda 01-24-2012 03:35 AM
Lol at the 9 digit loan from a "wallstreet fund", everyone knows where they money came from...

Later in the speech he even mentions "our investor", but he quickly realized he revealed his lies and changes it to lender.

DWB 01-24-2012 04:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madm1k3 (Post 18706200)
Yep another great Internext speech?

This reminds me of the last internext seminar I went to where hosting companies promised everyone that "illegal tubes" would be shut down, or that they wouldn't host such sites. And everyone went out of the room smiling, saying these guys are all right.

So this guy gets up there and gives a speech about how Manwin is a tech company and really doesn't like pirated content and on his sites there is none, and everyone walks away smiling again?
Good post. And spot on.

People want to have hope. They want to believe people are going to look out for them and help them. But in reality, it's usually every man for himself.

Operator 01-24-2012 07:40 AM
Fuck tofu

Qbert 01-24-2012 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Operator (Post 18708052)
Fuck tofu
No, not a good idea. It's messy. And it won't respect you in the morning, just like Manwin.


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