Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18695847)

But if he stole the car, he is not innocent. There is nothing to prove, other then the car thief trying to lie his way out of the situation.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18695772)

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 18695622)

Do you people realize that if these laws pass it will allow your ISP to continually do "deep packet inspection" on your connection at all times?

That means they can essentially and legally keep track of everything that you do and give that data to whomever is authorize by the law to have it... aka the US government.

And all this WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 18695968)

ISP's could 'choose' to do this now if they felt like it. However, most prefer to play Sgt. Schultz from Hogan's Heros. There is nothing to prevent an ISP from running scans on your websites/files/domains to see if you are running anything illegal and terminate you accordingly.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18695772)

Here is what I don't understand, especially for US citizens.

They passed the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 a few weeks ago, which gives the US government power to arrest US citizens, anywhere in the world, and hold them indefinitely without charge or a trial. There is no due process. You're fucked. But people say, well, if you're not a terrorist you have nothing to worry about.

Yet Americans, nor the mega media giants complained.

However, you pass a law that can give them the right to shut your website down, and everyone is having conniptions over it, as if it's the end of the world. Yet people say, if you're not a pirate, you don't have anything to worry about.

Where was the Google blackout when the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 was passed? Where were all the Americans freaking out and posting shit on every website they can post on? Where was the corporate media on this?

People / corporations have their priorities WAY fucking backwards.

I hope you all get detained forever but get to keep your websites. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696275)

how many people sued perfect 10 when they falsely got their sites removed from google?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696280)

Is abusing the law and making false complaints illegal? Yes or no?

I don't know about your perfect 10 example but I don't see how you get immunity from the law if you abuse it? Is there something I am not seeing here?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696294)

you are not seeing with sopa you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent in the courts. if you don't see what is wrong with that there is not much one can say.

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 18695778)

hmmm, I don't have to police my car, If law enforcement seen someone breaking into it they would arrest and press charges on the person. We need the internet policed, and I'de be happy to pay taxes for that.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696316)

1) You did not answer my question: Doe's abusing/breaking ANY law land you in legal trouble?

2) I can, just for arguments sake, if I was your next door neighbor, call the police and say "porno jew shot his wife and kids!!! HEEEEEELLLLPPP!"

now lets not pretend that you would be "considered innocent until proven guilty" the police would kick your door in and probably kick you to the ground and brutally arrest you.

Are you saying I would not be in any trouble at all? Are you saying you could not sue me for lots of $$$$ compensation?

I seem to be missing something here because I really don't see the problem?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696324)

sure you can sue, but in the meantime you business is destroyed. do you think that is right?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696334)

So basically you are afraid that somebody may risk his freedom by making a false SOPA complaint against you, even though he is bound to get caught and convicted?

You actually fear somebody may be willing to certainly give up his freedom just to cause your website possible short term damage and give you a guaranteed fat wallet when you sue his ass separately from the state who is already holding him accountable for abuse of the law?

You think the 10.000-s of dollars of legal fees, the 10.000s of dollars compensation he will have to pay to you to cover your lost business/lawyers/damage and the certain jail time the state will give him for abusing the law, will all be worth the effort to him???

Can't say that I understand...

Originally Posted by Blingbaby (Post 18696318)

Bullshit! You lock your car don't you? You don't park it in bad neighborhoods. Maybe even install alarm systems and/or tracking devices in case of theft. Don't give me this crap about the police as if they are standing next to your car ready to arrest anyone, or worse as this SOPA analogy would have it, arrest everyone pre-emptively for possibly thinking about stealing it.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 18695650)

Do you people realize that FORUMS such as this, and any place that a user can submit data to a website and be shown publicly can be subject to SOPA/PIPA action?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696341)

a large percentage of dmca's submitted to google are false, usually sent by competitors. why is this hard to comprehend people will do the same with sopa?

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696256)

Am I wrong in assuming the following:

If I was to call the police and falsely complain that my neighbor just shot his wife and 5 children, and the police rush over and find out this is not true, I would be in a world of legal trouble?

So does not the same stand true for abuse of any law? You certainly cant file an anonymous SOPA complaint, you have to stand with your name and company behind it. Will not filing a false complaint make you legally responsible?

I don't understand the fear of false/bogus accusations here? Is there something I am missing?

Originally Posted by dynastoned (Post 18696413)

this is the internet who says they wont respond to anonymous complaints?

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 18695687)

Anyone smart enough to fart without shitting his pants

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696374)

"In the United States, under Federal law, the general perjury statute provides for a sentence of up to 5 years in prison, 18 USC 1621."

Are you saying the law does not apply for these false complaints?

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18696441)

yes i understand that idiot. the point is that going to court to get your site back online is bullshit. thus the opposition.

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696451)

what is bullshit is the false fear based on the false presumption that somebody would actually risk his/her own freedom to file a false complaint

Originally Posted by dynastoned (Post 18696426)

the idea for these bills sounds good but there is way too much gray area. this is the internet people and these are computers. there are loopholes around EVERYTHING. these new bills wont stop piracy it'll just make people who want illegal shit a little more computer savvy.

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18696463)

There's empirical data that suggests otherwise. Google already stated that over half of the DMCA notices they receive are fake (from people trying to hurt their competitors).

Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 18696482)

This is indeed a curious statistic.

I have no Idea why they don't sue their asses off for filing false complaints, and to be honest I do not care...

Originally Posted by darnit (Post 18696473)

I think we need to think outside of our small little boxes. The porn biz which admittedly has been transformed by piracy as most media which easily translates to bits and bytes.

Originally Posted by u-Bob (Post 18696463)

There's empirical data that suggests otherwise. Google already stated that over half of the DMCA notices they receive are fake (from people trying to hurt their competitors).