you are truly delusional if you believe they are going because of his podcast.

hollywood has made him a very wealthy man.

so know your arguing that you have to get fucked over by hollywood accounting 17 times and then you can finally get paid fairly

let me ask you a question what showing of red state did you go too?

as far as i am aware of he sold out every appearance using his smodcasts except for one

and he bitched about how much money he wasted because of the way he was forced to advertise that appearance to get oscar consideration.

http://www.movieline.com/2011/07/28/...ualifying-run/

"using his smodcasts" fuck you are stupid lol. like really really neanderthal stupid.

star trek the next generation had many "profit sharing" parts to it, merchandising being a big one. Go to a convention ask any of those stars what they think of the likeness licencing deal.

they all got fucked up the ass on those deals because of hollywood accounting.

But the reason it worked for Kevin Smith is because he is Kevin Smith. He already has an established film career. For many new filmmakers with no installed fan base, it's damn near impossible.

He chose to enter into the Hollywood system. Nobody held a gun to his head and made him direct Cop Out. He did it because he was getting paid (and likely getting paid well) to do it. He chose to play the game, and now he is reaping the rewards of that game.

I didn't see a showing of Red State. I saw an interview with him about what his plans were as far as taking it around the country and he never did a screening in my city. Had he done a screening here I would have tried to get tickets to go see it.

Also, did you actually read the article you linked to? I just did and I didn't see him complaining at all about wasting money for Oscar consideration. He, along with help from Quentin Tarantino, arranged the screenings so that the cast could get considered for Oscars. He even says in the story that if you feel the $20 ticket price for those screenings is too much, skip it and in a couple of weeks you can get it on pay per view for $9.99. Please show me the part in the article where he is complaining about wasting money on those screenings. If he complains about anything it is when he says, "And if you don't want to pay to see it at all, you'll likely be able to download a Bit Torrent version for free by the end of the Red State Labor Day debut. And still, someone will bitch that even THAT costs too much somehow." that is him bitching at the freeloaders, not the Oscars.

http://smodcast.com/


his naming convention moron



get educated about the shit your commenting on.

That is why he can charge $65 per ticket for the showings where others would not be able to.

I know a guy named James Westby who writes and directs his own movies. He 4 walls most of his movies. He takes them from city to city and struck deals with local independent movie theaters. In some cases they split the ticket sales with him. In others he had to pay a flat fee to rent the building for his run and he kept all the profit. He actually does decently with them. He isn't getting rich, but he was getting his work out there and making enough money to cover his costs, live and pay for the budget for the next movie.

Recently he has worked as an editor on bigger budget movies and he has enough movies under his belt that he could potentially raise money and do something bigger, but he also knows that as soon as you bring in other people they want a say in how it is made and doesn't want to surrender that control.

so let me get this fucking straight because a mainstream press article (controlled by the very system he complaining about) gave you a filtered version of his comment that must whole truth.

he sold out the shows in other cities at $65-$85 per seat thru the smodcast. He got reports thru the media about people complaining about paying $20 for this showing. And he address that issue with the press.


and surprise surprise they misrepresented his objection to model wrongfully categorized his showing as $20 rip off movie showing to be a complaint about his fans.


read thru the blogs

watch his sundance speach

listen to the blogs on smodcast

then come back after you heard the statements from the man directly.

I'm not reading through shit. I have better things to do. You claimed that he was complaining about having to waste a bunch of money to put on these showings so that his movie could qualify for the Oscars and you linked to an article as your "proof" of this. I read the article and there is no complaining in it and now it is my fault that I didn't read a dozen blogs and dig deep to find the once sentence that supports your narrative?

I don't really give a shit how he sold his tickets. I like the guy and am a fan of his movies and I'm glad this was a success for him no matter how it happened. If it was through his podcast, great. If it was because he was famous and got a lot of press about this tour great. None of this really matters to me.

seriously your using kevin smith success to justify the exact opposite position of KEVIN SMITH

http://usdish.com/celebutaunt/19-sop...om-celebrities

and your arguing i am presenting a narrative

he has repeatedly complained about how hollywood accounting caused 36k movie (clerks) not to turn a profit.


When you uses his success to argue in favor of the opposite position of the artist

you should fucking care

why don't you ask Kevin smith what he thinks of you using his success with red state as a way to discredit a complaint about Hollywood accounting.

that's funny you think a 30 grand movie that grossed 3 mil didn't make him any profit. not funny ha ha.

clerks was one of the most profitable films of all time. hollywood and the machine as it is has made him a a lot of money.

guess what? his shit sucks now. all the movies he churns out are crap. that is why he is flailing now.

read what i said

i said

he has repeatedly complained about how hollywood accounting caused 36k movie (clerks) not to turn a profit.

i didn't say it NEVER turned a profit

it took seven years for clerks to turn a profit

he repeatedly complained about

he still talks about how Hollywood accounting kills projects because actor who would take profit sharing to get a project off the ground don't because they know proft sharing is basically agreeing to take it up the ass.

btw if you didn't figure it out the 7 fucking years period was way after.

The movie didn't make a cent of profit in the theater.

get someone in your group home to read that back to you.

that is literally insane.

doesn't change the fact that i am right and your wrong

clerks didn't turn a penny of profit on their 3 million box office

it didn't turn a profit until 6.5 years after the movie left theaters

and for all of those 6 years he complained about

when it finally turned a profit he complained about how insane it was that movie that only cost 25k to make didn't turn a profit until 6.5 years after it left the theater.