Anohter Paxum success stories...

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So, you're basically confirm that PAXUM is unreliable service, and even if somebody only conducting business with good known partners, there is a big chance that one of their partners previously unintentionally got fraudulent money. Thus the one will end up with no money on his account and bad reputation because his clients? money were withdrawn too, like it happened with several people. How nice of you to make your trusted customers pay for your mistakes. Now your trusted clients will sleep ?well? knowing that you ?do not want any part in any type of fraud? and you will pass all responsibility to your clients, sleep well knowing that you can steal their money any time without any notification. Wow, what a monkey business!!!

You want security? get a bank account and receive wires. Might cost a little more now, but better than being screwed for much more later.

We've had nothing but trouble with paxum, and are considering dropping the service altogether because their system is shitty. We try to load funds from our business debit card, attached to our verified business bank account.. it says instant but takes 3+ days before the funds actually reach our account.

In the end, I see paxum heading in the direction of epassporte. At least it was actually easy to upload funds and send them through epass before they screwed people out of millions...

And Ruth... those people you are calling in ever so bold font fraudulent were following your companies terms of service. So if those people are fraudulent then so is your company for allowing it to happen.

vdbucks, what kind of millions are you talking about? $20k it what PAXUM reputation worth. Russian management there is so cheap, that they ready to play russian roulette: $20k vs company well-being.

Glad that things got resolved. Congrats to all parties.

What congratulations? :Oh crap
The problem is not solved. Anton_paxum (anonym) :helpme did not reply to any our questions.

So far Paxum is fine if you use it for purpose its indended for - Paying and receiving affiliate commissions.

1. The many affilates programs use exchangers for work
2. No one can be reliably protected there
3. No evidence, only words:helpme

1. Who is paxum_anton? What place does it take in your company?
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2. Why does he sidetracks an issue about his personal data and stay anonymous?

3. His rating is very negative -1225. This shows about his level of confidence among webmasters.

4. Why he let to insult and mock on clients on the forum in open form?

5. Why did he personally closed our account and also closed it to them who are disgusted by this situation?

6. Why he doesn't give any proofs about fraudulent activity? Maybe there was no fraud at all and that was your try to earn?
Such cases already happened in history. Is this normal? You are losing us as a client. I withdraw the rest of funds in amount of $10000 as Anton indicated.

7. Why did you withdrawed ouf funds without contacting or sending any notification to us?
This is direct violence of your terms.

8. Why do you withdraw money in chain and expose your customers to a risk and the whole system becomes unsecure?
A lot of affiliate programs work with exchangers, so by doing this you jeopardize them.
In your system who can be sure in his security and why I must believe to you?

9. Why did you make refunds to customers on which accounts there were no money income?
I have these evidences and also there are some on MasterX

10. Why do you charge a transaction fee even for refunds? Do you want to earn money by all means?

11. Why did you permit to a carder to open tens of accounts and add money to them without verifications?
You wanted to launder funds during a month?

12. Why one of the exchangers and Anton together approved that they knew about the fact of existence of carder in the system?
And they pointed this to one exchanger, but gave a miss to this carder, didn't attempt to do additional verifications and hold money.
You know the end.

13. How many such dirty money in the system and why I must believe to you about it's absence?

14. What is total monthly turnover passing through your system?
How many mployees work in your company, how many members are in security and antifraud departments?

15. How do you plan to solve the problem with injured?
We want to address to bbb.org, mastercard. We still didn't do this, but we are ready.
You don't care to lose your reputation in the eyes of your clients?

I want to hear detailed answers on every point above, I think everyone wants this too.

P.S.: I examined how works verification system in PAXUM and opened an account on my grandmother, she is almost 80 years old.
PAXUM has verified an account in about two hours. All the carders are welcome!

While I think you assumed a lot of risk and blame yourself when doing money exchanges with people you didn't know very well I still believe you raise some good points. If you have suspicions that Paxum is committing some sort of fraud against you then you should contact the relevant government agencies in both your home country and theirs to file a complaint.

More than likely there are laws in place already to cover some of these situations and hopefully Paxum is following them because we see they exist for a reason. So talk with support calmly and if they refuse to work with you get your money out and contact the governments and agencies.

We already written a report to the police.

Withdraw received funds immediately. Legitimate entities will wait three days for funds to clear or load.

This is starting to sound strangely familiar.......

Money is in motion.......

Paxum is winner of GFY Payment System Of the Year 2011

Do you think carder friendly PAXUM deserves this nomination?

No. Being based in the US I have to jump through too many hoops to get my ACH Approved that I would otherwise not have to do. I just tried and was denied for not sending the "required" documentation. Since when have I ever had to send a pic of myself holding my license? I use Paypal,Payoneer, Netspend, Moneybookers, Western Union Online, Bank of America, and various Stock Brokerage accounts. None who have asked me for some outlandish ID requirement to hook my bank into the account to do EFT transfers.

Yes, I have Paxum too but why go through all those hoops? My credit card from the same bank works fine and the transfer takes just as long just a higher fee, that's all.

I don't leave any balance in my Paxum acct higher than $10 anyway......

Oops....you said payment system.....my bad. I guess the other ones that either died or only operate regionally sort of made them a shoe-in for the nomination. But since they're just like paypal I guess it's a tie now isn't it? :2 cents:

Paxum says that they have no problems at all, and that the webmasters won't get hurt, does not correspond to reality :(

2ch dot so/biz/wakaba dot pl - please, look here and type in a search "paxum"

If you understand Russian, you'll see or believe my words, otherwise you have to use google translator.

The point is that carders and hackers are using paxum to add money from other people credit cards and then they are using those funds for buying hosting, buying traffic, and many other services :warning

As we said above, this issue is much greater than our loss! :warning

:warningNobody :warning can be sure to not loose their money by receiving money from other paxum account. Nobody. There are already many issues regarding this matter, many people have lost their money.

Well, it is good that we haven't lost more money, now you may be safe for now, but what about tomorrow, when all carders will find out how shitty paxum security is.

card pulled.

Funny? Stay with Paxum and will be even funnier. Your money in the hands of cheaters.

can you block people by country? maybe block all russian paxum users.

Lol, Anton_paxum is vice president of Paxum. He lives in St. Petersburg :thumbsup

Can you fuck yourself hard?

now enters Red Pass ...

They cannot let you keep money if you used it as a money exchange and the shit was stolen. This has nothing to do with selling services, if they cover those even in case of fraud that is more than most would do.

Cliff Notes:

So you have received a p2p from someone in the Paxum system. That would mean both parties are verified Paxum members. Correct?

And, I heard Paxum p2p transfers are non-refundable, correct?

So you then log in and see your account charged back? And the reason is the sender is someone who used a credit card that is not bueno ( 100 reasons here ).

My 2 cents is that's on Paxum. They didn't do their job well.

Unless you play shady.

If there is no good internal solution it's time for the 3rd party to come in and clean it out. Guess who's that?

Sucks this happened to you, but you really should be looking at the people you "laundered" money for...

I do paxum/paypal transfers myself, but I do them for people I know and trust. I never do transactions with people I don't know. And this is exactly why. You are getting mad at Paxum when you gave money to somebody that was basically the same thing as the Nigerian scam. They took your money and you expect Paxum to what?

Well, I will tell you what... Paxum SHOULD have in the least Emailed you to let you know this transaction was reversed. Of course this wouldn't have helped you in these three transactions because you did all of them before Paxum even knew their was a problem 2 weeks later.

But notifications on refunds just seems like a no-brainer...

Yeah. And all gonna be fine with you until one of your people didnt transfer to you the money, he received from his people (or affiliate program), who received it from fraud (accidentally).

Just passing by...

What are you say about question 12

Why one of the exchangers and Anton together approved that they knew about the fact of existence of carder in the system? And they pointed this to one exchanger, but gave a miss to this carder, didn't attempt to do additional verifications and hold money.

You know the end.

Maybe it's anonymous Anton from Paxum?:1orglaugh
Paxum is carders friendly company.

congrats to Paxum for taking out the scammers

:thumbsup

Why did you permit to a carder to open tens of accounts and add money to them without verifications?

DarkJedi stay with Paxum and enjoy carder friendly system.

Passed another day without answers to important questions for webmasters. :warning

Who are these anonymous cheaters (Anton - russian vise president , Octav, RuthB) who work with you?

Paxum is the best place for carders. Stay with Paxum (c)

This is why I won't deal with Paxum.

Fuck them, and I hope this causes the end of them.

Do you declare and pay tax on all your Paxum income?

That's what I say, if you are US based just stick to wires and checks.

Nop,i am very sure how paypal is best place for carders :1orglaugh

Yes, of course.

The only bad thing so far about Paxum is that I don't have any money on my account ...

Stupid and funny letter from Octave. Who knows him? :321GFY

> I am sorry but I will not get dragged in arguments like those we are
> not kids in school to get to twist eachother statements forever. Some
> of your questions are legitimate suggestions and I will discuss it
> with our team and others like question 5,9 are completely false
> statements. Other questions are not meant to be answered as not to
> help cheaters and carders do their job better.
>
> Bottom line no money will be refunded to anybody that participated in
> the fraud. If somebody had been taken money in error he could come
> forward and I will have his case reanalyzed for example an account
> that got a transaction reversed but is in no way linked to the
> fraudulent money transactions by error.
>
> Our terms and conditions are very clear all fraudulent transactions
> get refunded. The exchangers that are now in negative should go after
> the people they accepted the money from or the people they paid for
> with that money to recover their money and not Paxum. It does not
> matter what the amount is $1 or $1 million a fraud is a fraud and we
> will not go against our terms and conditions and will not show
> cheaters and fraudsters that they can defraud us and if they cry on
> boards they will get money out of paxum.
>
>
> Now that being said, I think that there is no point to argue with
> anybody on boards or emails as we are just wasting time. I will not
> comment further on the matter as it is not my job to do it I am not a
> customer support representative I will let our customer support handle
> it one by one by ticket system or email or phone call.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Octav