It was an analogy. We check the sites they'll be promoting from, inquire as to how they'll be promoting our content... among other things. In some cases we ask for screen shots from other programs they promote. Depends on the affiliate who signs up.

And all things considered.. people should be glad programs aren't requiring IDs and tax docs, etc... Because at the end of the day, that shit falls on us for not knowing who we're sending money to.

Amazing how he makes a clown of himself every time he tries to attack me in my threads. I have him on ignore. I don't even have to see him to make him look stupid. Truly amazing.

Yeah, because a scammer is gonna post his scam site in the sign up form. Or who knows, maybe his cp site :1orglaugh

So how much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours. Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. You still havent explained while in the meantime act like i'm an idiot for asking.

Dirty F has a point.

I have often signed up to a site to promote them, just to find you have to manually be added.

I think people forget, that moment in time may be the time you have to add links.

Even a few hours later, if not days, you may have other stuff to do.

I got approved a while back for a site, but I was going away that week. I do not even remeber the site, and never did bother to promote them.

And yet here you are bitching and whining about why programs require manual approval.

Here's a secret... scammers generally never reply to emails, questions, or the like..

fucking tool. If you don't like how companies run their programs, start up your own and run it how you want. Otherwise, stop bitching.

Ofcourse i have a point. We're on page 2 and so far nobody can prove me wrong.

When exactly are you gonna explain my question?

If somone asked me for all that rubbish, I would not bother.

Life is too short.

Lots of good sites to promote.

Not going to spend a day messing about scanning things and taking screen shots.

Its odd how such as playboy seem to cope yet these small sites ask for more documents than if I was going to adopt a child or move to a new country.

Why, so you can pick and choose what parts to quote and reply to just to make yourself sound right?

I'm done responding to your idiocy.

Another secret... it isn't only scammers that would not reply to those questions.

And still no answer. I think we all know why.

If your worried about being scammed set up two payment systems.

1. autoaproved - using ccbill only.

2. aproved - your system.

most people fear being scamed by the programe system and not being paid or them changing there rules later.

If i had the option i would opt for there ccbill system.

but then again, who cares.

if your happy to approve people, then stick with it. its probably lost you lots of sales, but still.

He mails maybe 1 out of 50 people who sign up. In the meantime 20 people moved on to another spsonsor where they didn't have to wait to get their links up.

How is it odd? Sites like playboy have resources that small programs don't have. And suggesting that a small program learn to cope like the big multi million programs do is pretty laughable. Give me playboy's budget and then maybe I'll reconsider how i run my program.

I sign up to a lot of new sponsors since I need some of their specific content, but when they have an approval process I forget why I had signed up with them in the first place, once I'm approved. Even if I do remember I've moved on to other stuff and then ends up forgetting about them anyways
So obviously they lose some new affiliates this way..

Vdbucks, i have a question for you:

How much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours.
Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. Please explain since you know to seem the answer and i don't.

And how exactly is a signup form going to stop them where they can fill in any name and website they want. Even use a American proxy if they want.

De voordelige drogist. Ook online!

My pet peeve are the ones who require the activation but neglect to mention this anywhere. I would rather know so in some cases I'm not wasting my time. It's about 50-50 that the program will activate you and some of us don't want to waste our time.

I like the people who say "if you don't like it, shut up and move on" as if no one has a right to speak but you. Why don't we turn it around and ask why it is that you think no one should be able to criticize you or let others know what you are doing? As if you're some kind of big shot that people have to have approval from before they can talk about your program. Take the criticism like a big boy and ratchet down your ego a bit. He can say whatever he likes about your program within reason. He doesn't need your permission.

I don't see a big problem here because he was approved quickly. But it's his choice who he wants to do business with just as it is yours. I don't blame him. In the past often the ones throwing up hoops for affiliates were also one of the first ones to run away with the money or enact other unfriendly policies for their affiliates. I do the same thing. If it even appears to me that the sponsor is trying to play games or acts as if they are doing me some favor by letting me promote them I run the other way. Why? Because as I said those are usually the ones who end up screwing me first.

sorry

i think i may have mislead you into thinking i care what you do.

i do not.

i am not going to sign up to have to weight ages to be approved. and i certainly will not bother to email you documents.

do what you want, i realy do not care.

only 1% of sites aprove people.

i have no time to mess about with them.

if it works for you then great.

seems rather odd to me but still.

mabe if you just aproved everyone from the start you would have playboys budget - see i think you have just realized your own mistake.

anyway good look to you.

hmmmm, damage done by an open approval process........
here's a hypothetical: lets say a guy......oh lets make up a name....affiliate "battus" signs up for your program and then puts your links on questionable content.......let's say, pictures of underage girls in bra and panties. you're a successful affiliate program with tens of thousands of active affiliates so you don't find him out right away. When you do, you cancel his account. He then comes to the boards screaming about how you cheated him.

its not worth the trouble.


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and what if he does?

thats his problem surly, not yours.

and to be honest how would you know?

you can put it in your terms and conditions that your site must be promoted by not doing.....

and if you find somonme getting sales this way you terminate there account.

deal with the problem if it becomes a problem.

put it this way a webmaster may have lots of honest sites and gives you links to those. and you approve him. but he may also have lots of dodgy sites too.

if i was going to scam you i would just have some honest siotes to show you, or even give you links to somone elses sites.

Ah, well if anyone knows anything about scamming it would be you, right Ron. A real expert on scamming.

Btw.
I remember how you accepted all those nonnude sites and then after a week or changed the rules so you didn't have to pay them out. Then redirect their nonnude bra and panties traffic to your other sites. You obviously had no problem with that kind of traffic whatsoever. As long as it made you money. Preferably without having to pay anyone any commission.
That basically sums up everything you did in your "career" online.

Same here. I'm not sending in my personal documents to a sponsor. It's bad enough worrying about being paid or shaved. The last thing I want to worry about is identity theft.

I've also observed that the ones who ask for all that are often the most shady of the bunch.

Actually, we used to have an open affiliate program.. and we ended up with more carders and scammers that we cared to deal with. In 2011 we change our affiliate policy, and contrary to what you want me to believe, our program's revenue doubled in 2011 from 2010. Now, naturally that's not just due to us changing our affiliate program to require approvals, and there's no quantifiable evidence that says how big a role it played; but at the same time there is no evidence that we lost money either.

And again, the vast majority of the time, carders and scammers do not reply to simple inquiry emails. A handful are more persistent and do what they can to get approved, but the vast majority move on to the next program.

Affiliates who want to promote us generally don't have a problem waiting a few hours to be approved. Some do sure, but at the end of the day, you're never going to satisfy everyone all the time.

ahhh yes, exhibit A.

it wasn't the affiliate who was at fault, it was the sponsor. :1orglaugh

Vdbucks, i have a question for you:

How much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours.
Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. Please explain since you know to seem the answer and i don't.

And how exactly is a signup form going to stop them where they can fill in any name and website they want. Even use an American proxy if they want.

When will someone answer me and prove me wrong? On page 3 maybe?

if your worried about being scaned, just use ccbill. forget your own system.

then you can just get on with life.

why bother with the stress.

many big well known sites are just ccbill. i never understand these small guys running there own system. i know why they do it, its so they can feel like some big player. its an ego thing.

Once again, going to have to disagree with you. We were strictly a ccbill only program from 2006-2009. Since running our own system we've increased our bottom line dramatically. Not to say ccbill programs aren't successful, but after having the flexibility we have now, I can't imagine going back to a 1 biller solution.

I never reply to rep's mythering me as soon as i try their programme. Likewise, i move on if i have to wait for approval.

how amuzing.

i just got an email from some adult social network thing i signed up to 3 months ago saying they will aprove me if i put a link on my site to theres.

do you think i will bother?

it reminds me of when you used to sign up to top sites that asked you to put the link on your site then be aproved later. often you never heard from them again but they will have got there links all over the place.

A lot of people seem to think this way.

What a surprise.

The damage a scammer can do to a ccbill program (or even NATS) in 24 hours must be insane or noone in their right mind would not auto approve. I'm still wondering how exactly.
And i still wonder how the sign up process is gonna stop this.
A scammer is not gonna sign up saying i'm a scammer and post his scam site. We all know that.
I wonder when someone is gonna answer this. Vdbucks obviously can't, i think that's clear. Maybe someone else?

offer people both options.

simple

you can say promote via ccbill now or sign up for our own system but we aprove people.

then no probs.

but again, i do not care.

do what you want. if it works for you then fine.

but I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME to mess about sending you stuff.

I am not going to spend an hour or so messing about in the off chance that you may or may not aprove me.

I can be promoting another site or two in that time.

Do you not understand that.

If you want to feel important and get people sending you docs, good for you.

I have listed a lot of popular sites to promote:

http://wouj.com/sites.htm

I am not sure if any manually aprove you.

Yet i see people promote them like crazy, and they make lots of cash.

I wonder if there could be a conection.

easy to sign up = lots of promotion = lots of sales

and yet your site...

a pain to sign up = not much promotion = lost sales to competition

I had to take this shit stain off of ignore just to see what ignorant shit he was spewing. He didn't disappoint.

This thread is hilarious. A guy with no traffic and zero chance at making any real sales to begin with complaining about sponsors verifying affiliates so they don't get hammered with fraudulent sales. :1orglaugh

Seriously, if you pass on a program because they want to know who you are and where your traffic may come from, then you need to just keep with pulling RSS feeds into your one poorly designed blog that no one visits.

I saw three thread titles made by the grand retard Battuss (who is apparently just getting his feet wet in the business even though he's been a board troll since 2001) with the following sponsors: Island Dollars, Shemale Profits and Exotic Gold. All of which have some of the best shemale content on the entire internet. Yet this moron is passing because he has to be approved. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I'm not sure what shows him to be more of an ass. The fact that he is calling them out and totally clueless as to why a sponsor would want to look into who he is, or the fact that he is passing on the top shemale companies on his shemale site (which probably sucks balls anyway). Either way, he fails again.

Battuss, you are honestly an embarrassment to yourself. And yea, I know your great one and only "comeback" will be that I did business with people who ended up being scammers, because that's the ONLY thing you have to come back with, and you've been on this for years because you have nothing better to do but live on my nut sack. Quite pathetic really, but whatever gets you off.

VD Bucks and 12 Clicks are right on this. Battuss, you're an idiot. Those companies should be thankful they don't have to deal with dub ass Euro trash like you.

Stick to being a troll. It's probably the only thing in your life that you've been someone decent at.

When did I ever say we require people to send us docs? I said affiliates should be happy that programs don't do this because at the end of the day, we send money to people and have no idea who they are. And if something were to ever come of it (ie investigation), it would fall on us.

And sorry but the whole "I could be promoting another program" thing doesn't fly with me. For one, we currently are the only real option to promote in our niche.. so if you want to promote a lesser program, then by all means.

2nd reason is, being an affiliate of a program isn't some fire and forget thing. Good affiliates who promote programs constantly update their site with new promotional tools. So sorry if I don't buy the whole "I need to promote it right this second or not at all" claim. Nothing in porn happens so fast that waiting a few hours at most for approval is going to create havoc on your bottom line. Sorry, but this isn't sports betting...

Great, now maybe you are gonna answer my questions. Everyone else failed. It shouldn't be a problem for an Einstein like you right?

How much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours.
Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. Please explain since you know to seem the answer and i don't.

And how exactly is a signup form going to stop them where they can fill in any name and website they want. Even use an American proxy if they want.

Good question,dont see point of manual approval considering it's so easy to fake your country and all other details.After all if some scammers managed to bypass complicated system like paxum then i am sure they can do same on adult program regardless what kind of protection they use.

Yet all the "big players" like DWB seem to disagree. They refuse to explain me why though.

The irony btw is that DWB was defending a bunch of credit card scammers here with his life a couple of years ago. Everybody got their card banged left and right and DBW defended the people who did it.

Why would a company offer both just so guys who can't wait 24 - 48 hours to get approved and who may be trying to hide something can sign up? Get real man. All of these companies have fraud issues to deal with and it is exactly guys like you, who want to not have any approval at all, who create ALL of their problems.

Do you want to know who complains about having to wait more than 30 seconds for approval? Guys who don't send sales, that's who. And as luck would have it, they are the same guys who demand the most from a sponsor and complain the most too. Funny how that works, isn't it?

If you are serious about making money, having to be approved wouldn't be an issue.

You have the time to post endless useless news stories on GFY (and lord knows how many other boards) FOR FREE, but not wait for a sponsor to approve you so you can actually make money with them?

Sure, makes sense to me. :helpme

So DBW, you are gonna answer my question right? because calling me an idiot without answering that simple question would be kind of stupid. Don't you agree?

While what you just posted have sense,it's simply mood killer when you want to put something new on your sites yet you cant do it immediately due to activation process which sometime can take days to make it work.Perhaps compromise would be to allow immediately send traffic,but not credit anything in case of denial.

Still no answer...

How typical is that. All these people calling me names yet noone can answer my very simple questions.

Refuse to explain to a troll? Why bother? You are no more a webmaster than I am an astronaut. You won't send them sales, you're known as a troll, you've been banned from every board out there, and I'd be shocked if any of the programs would actually do business with you anyway. If they were smart and you sent them even a single sale, they would keep the money.

You are so predictable it's pathetic. Seriously.

Yea, YEARS ago I did business with someone who turned out to be a scammer. I've done business with a few people who ended up turning into scammers. If you've ever done any business at all in this industry, you have too.

Then I moved on. Sadly, you haven't.


Jesus Christ you're a moron.

Not even sure why I'm wasting my time... It's not about how much damage ONE guy can do, even though any damage is too much. It's more about the collective damage of everyone that can push your chargebacks to over the 1% rule that could eventually cost you the account.

If they want to properly approve you, they can look at your site, contact you and talk to you, see if they can find out who you are. Lots of things people CAN do. What everyone actually does is their own business. If they find you to be faking info, you don't get approved.

Do you have any idea how many new people sign up daily? Sometimes it's a lot. Many times it's surfers trying to get free porn. Why pollute your DB with these people?

There are several reasons why. And if you move on because you can't "wait" then it is you who loses. They will be fine without you. Anyone with the potential of sending real sales would contact them directly or wait to be approved anyway.

Is this really THAT difficult to comprehend? Is that giant forehead of yours not holding a brain behind it?

That I understand. The compromise is to contact them directly after you sign up.

Anytime I have to be approved and don't feel like waiting, I hit them up. Just takes a minute or two and then I'm on my way.

Right, while several people here posted evidence they were banging cards and even a blind person could see what was going on you kept defending for months. You and their rep DJ the kid were the only one to do that. You lying sack of shit.

Was this supposed to be the answer to my questions? I hope not. Please read my questions again.