I re-read it and once again it's clear you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Have you ever signed up for a sponsor at all? Let the sponsor know if he's serious? How exactly Paul? Keep people out with childporn? How exactly Paul?
Stop scammers? How Paul? Make sure they promote them? Before they signed up, that's also very impressive. Please explain how that works Paul.
That's 4 questions i believe. I can't wait for your 4 answers.

Why bother? Because i'm asking a valid question and because you act like you have good reasons to do so.

Is me being a so called troll really the reason why you refuse to answer? I doubt it.

Can someone proof me wrong maybe. Because so far i see a lot of people attacking me but not one person has been able to show how my logic is wrong.
I'm still waiting for vdbucks to do it. But for some reason he refuses to.

Well i guess it remains one big mystery why revshare sponsors prefer to lose 10.000's of dollar a year over auto approving new affiliates.
It must be a secret i guess.

Anyway, Paul, still waiting for my answers.

it`s a free world :)

Why do payment processors require identification, company formation docs and the like? Think of the millions they'd gain each year in lost revenue if they didn't.

I mean seriously. There's no mystery behind taking steps to prevent fraud coming through our program; taking steps to make sure our payment processors don't drop us due to charge backs; etc etc... you're just a tool.

And whatever you *think* your logic is, one thing remains the same.. you do not run our program, and as such, you are not going to dictate how we choose to run it (and if I may, I'm sure this same fact applies to other sponsors like island dollars).

As for lost revenue.. yeah, ok... We more than doubled our bottom line in 2011 from 2010... and we stick by our rules.

For every tool who doesn't promote us because we don't kiss his ass, there's another affiliate who will because we take a few extra steps to secure our program, which builds trust.

And I'll leave it at that because you being the tool you are will always think you're right no matter how many explanations you get... :321GFY

Not trolling but I also fail to see what exactly it is you are verifying. Payment processors will require proper identification like a passport. you verify what exactly apart from the name sounding westerner and an IP address?

I stopped reading here.

He clearly won't answer. I doubt if he knows what and why exactly.

fixed.:upsidedow

It was an analogy. We check the sites they'll be promoting from, inquire as to how they'll be promoting our content... among other things. In some cases we ask for screen shots from other programs they promote. Depends on the affiliate who signs up.

And all things considered.. people should be glad programs aren't requiring IDs and tax docs, etc... Because at the end of the day, that shit falls on us for not knowing who we're sending money to.

Amazing how he makes a clown of himself every time he tries to attack me in my threads. I have him on ignore. I don't even have to see him to make him look stupid. Truly amazing.

Yeah, because a scammer is gonna post his scam site in the sign up form. Or who knows, maybe his cp site :1orglaugh

So how much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours. Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. You still havent explained while in the meantime act like i'm an idiot for asking.

Dirty F has a point.

I have often signed up to a site to promote them, just to find you have to manually be added.

I think people forget, that moment in time may be the time you have to add links.

Even a few hours later, if not days, you may have other stuff to do.

I got approved a while back for a site, but I was going away that week. I do not even remeber the site, and never did bother to promote them.

And yet here you are bitching and whining about why programs require manual approval.

Here's a secret... scammers generally never reply to emails, questions, or the like..

fucking tool. If you don't like how companies run their programs, start up your own and run it how you want. Otherwise, stop bitching.

Ofcourse i have a point. We're on page 2 and so far nobody can prove me wrong.

When exactly are you gonna explain my question?

If somone asked me for all that rubbish, I would not bother.

Life is too short.

Lots of good sites to promote.

Not going to spend a day messing about scanning things and taking screen shots.

Its odd how such as playboy seem to cope yet these small sites ask for more documents than if I was going to adopt a child or move to a new country.

Why, so you can pick and choose what parts to quote and reply to just to make yourself sound right?

I'm done responding to your idiocy.

Another secret... it isn't only scammers that would not reply to those questions.

And still no answer. I think we all know why.

If your worried about being scammed set up two payment systems.

1. autoaproved - using ccbill only.

2. aproved - your system.

most people fear being scamed by the programe system and not being paid or them changing there rules later.

If i had the option i would opt for there ccbill system.

but then again, who cares.

if your happy to approve people, then stick with it. its probably lost you lots of sales, but still.

He mails maybe 1 out of 50 people who sign up. In the meantime 20 people moved on to another spsonsor where they didn't have to wait to get their links up.

How is it odd? Sites like playboy have resources that small programs don't have. And suggesting that a small program learn to cope like the big multi million programs do is pretty laughable. Give me playboy's budget and then maybe I'll reconsider how i run my program.

I sign up to a lot of new sponsors since I need some of their specific content, but when they have an approval process I forget why I had signed up with them in the first place, once I'm approved. Even if I do remember I've moved on to other stuff and then ends up forgetting about them anyways
So obviously they lose some new affiliates this way..

Vdbucks, i have a question for you:

How much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours.
Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. Please explain since you know to seem the answer and i don't.

And how exactly is a signup form going to stop them where they can fill in any name and website they want. Even use a American proxy if they want.

De voordelige drogist. Ook online!

My pet peeve are the ones who require the activation but neglect to mention this anywhere. I would rather know so in some cases I'm not wasting my time. It's about 50-50 that the program will activate you and some of us don't want to waste our time.

I like the people who say "if you don't like it, shut up and move on" as if no one has a right to speak but you. Why don't we turn it around and ask why it is that you think no one should be able to criticize you or let others know what you are doing? As if you're some kind of big shot that people have to have approval from before they can talk about your program. Take the criticism like a big boy and ratchet down your ego a bit. He can say whatever he likes about your program within reason. He doesn't need your permission.

I don't see a big problem here because he was approved quickly. But it's his choice who he wants to do business with just as it is yours. I don't blame him. In the past often the ones throwing up hoops for affiliates were also one of the first ones to run away with the money or enact other unfriendly policies for their affiliates. I do the same thing. If it even appears to me that the sponsor is trying to play games or acts as if they are doing me some favor by letting me promote them I run the other way. Why? Because as I said those are usually the ones who end up screwing me first.

sorry

i think i may have mislead you into thinking i care what you do.

i do not.

i am not going to sign up to have to weight ages to be approved. and i certainly will not bother to email you documents.

do what you want, i realy do not care.

only 1% of sites aprove people.

i have no time to mess about with them.

if it works for you then great.

seems rather odd to me but still.

mabe if you just aproved everyone from the start you would have playboys budget - see i think you have just realized your own mistake.

anyway good look to you.

hmmmm, damage done by an open approval process........
here's a hypothetical: lets say a guy......oh lets make up a name....affiliate "battus" signs up for your program and then puts your links on questionable content.......let's say, pictures of underage girls in bra and panties. you're a successful affiliate program with tens of thousands of active affiliates so you don't find him out right away. When you do, you cancel his account. He then comes to the boards screaming about how you cheated him.

its not worth the trouble.


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and what if he does?

thats his problem surly, not yours.

and to be honest how would you know?

you can put it in your terms and conditions that your site must be promoted by not doing.....

and if you find somonme getting sales this way you terminate there account.

deal with the problem if it becomes a problem.

put it this way a webmaster may have lots of honest sites and gives you links to those. and you approve him. but he may also have lots of dodgy sites too.

if i was going to scam you i would just have some honest siotes to show you, or even give you links to somone elses sites.

Ah, well if anyone knows anything about scamming it would be you, right Ron. A real expert on scamming.

Btw.
I remember how you accepted all those nonnude sites and then after a week or changed the rules so you didn't have to pay them out. Then redirect their nonnude bra and panties traffic to your other sites. You obviously had no problem with that kind of traffic whatsoever. As long as it made you money. Preferably without having to pay anyone any commission.
That basically sums up everything you did in your "career" online.

Same here. I'm not sending in my personal documents to a sponsor. It's bad enough worrying about being paid or shaved. The last thing I want to worry about is identity theft.

I've also observed that the ones who ask for all that are often the most shady of the bunch.

Actually, we used to have an open affiliate program.. and we ended up with more carders and scammers that we cared to deal with. In 2011 we change our affiliate policy, and contrary to what you want me to believe, our program's revenue doubled in 2011 from 2010. Now, naturally that's not just due to us changing our affiliate program to require approvals, and there's no quantifiable evidence that says how big a role it played; but at the same time there is no evidence that we lost money either.

And again, the vast majority of the time, carders and scammers do not reply to simple inquiry emails. A handful are more persistent and do what they can to get approved, but the vast majority move on to the next program.

Affiliates who want to promote us generally don't have a problem waiting a few hours to be approved. Some do sure, but at the end of the day, you're never going to satisfy everyone all the time.

ahhh yes, exhibit A.

it wasn't the affiliate who was at fault, it was the sponsor. :1orglaugh

Vdbucks, i have a question for you:

How much damage can a scammer do to a ccbill revshare program in 24 hours.
Apparently so much it's worth losing 10000's of dollars a year. Please explain since you know to seem the answer and i don't.

And how exactly is a signup form going to stop them where they can fill in any name and website they want. Even use an American proxy if they want.

When will someone answer me and prove me wrong? On page 3 maybe?

if your worried about being scaned, just use ccbill. forget your own system.

then you can just get on with life.

why bother with the stress.

many big well known sites are just ccbill. i never understand these small guys running there own system. i know why they do it, its so they can feel like some big player. its an ego thing.

Once again, going to have to disagree with you. We were strictly a ccbill only program from 2006-2009. Since running our own system we've increased our bottom line dramatically. Not to say ccbill programs aren't successful, but after having the flexibility we have now, I can't imagine going back to a 1 biller solution.