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vdbucks 02-06-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 18737958)
Hey I'm with you. Doesnt even matter if it's PPS or revshare because you're not going to get a payout over night anyways so in theory there's plenty of time to review an account. Especially if we're just talking about links and not members access anyways. Typically no sites give you auto members access and I know you're not talking about that anyways.

Generally what I do these days is sign up for the sponsors I might use at the begining of a project and not at the end.

You're not going to get a good answer as to why people do this. You're going to get people like Paul who have never made sales and have no real affiliates of their own. You're probably not going to change anybody's mind either. People are stubborn and once they've decided that's the way they want to do things, especially in this business, you're just wasting your breath trying to change their mind. :2 cents:

Run your own program for a while and then you'll realize where you are wrong.

Like DWB said, affiliates are are serious about making money with a good program aren't going to let something like manual approval and human interaction stop them from doing so. In general, the one's who have a problem with it are the ones who spend more time crying on messages boards than they do working to make money.

I'm not going to apologize to anyone for choosing to run my program how I want. I'm not going to sit around kissing ass hoping some loud mouth troll on a board will promote my program. There is a reason that our company has only ever had a problem with a single individual over the past 6 years.. and that individual is a mental case and wasn't an affiliate anyway.

And that's simply the bottom line. I have enough faith in my brand that I don't need to go kissing ass and begging to make money. Like I said twice now, we have more than doubled our bottom line in 2011 from 2010. And we're already off to a great start in 2012. Our active affiliates... those guys who actually make money, are happy with our program... and our top affiliates will be even happier in 2 months time when we release our new site to them.

Here's a simple suggestion. If you don't want to wait, go promote a lesser program. Then when you realize that they aren't converting, we'll be here.

DWB 02-06-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18738006)
Run your own program for a while and then you'll realize where you are wrong.

Like DWB said, affiliates are are serious about making money with a good program aren't going to let something like manual approval and human interaction stop them from doing so. In general, the one's who have a problem with it are the ones who spend more time crying on messages boards than they do working to make money.

I'm not going to apologize to anyone for choosing to run my program how I want. I'm not going to sit around kissing ass hoping some loud mouth troll on a board will promote my program. There is a reason that our company has only ever had a problem with a single individual over the past 6 years.. and that individual is a mental case and wasn't an affiliate anyway.

And that's simply the bottom line. I have enough faith in my brand that I don't need to go kissing ass and begging to make money. Like I said twice now, we have more than doubled our bottom line in 2011 from 2010. And we're already off to a great start in 2012. Our active affiliates... those guys who actually make money, are happy with our program... and our top affiliates will be even happier in 2 months time when we release our new site to them.

Here's a simple suggestion. If you don't want to wait, go promote a lesser program. Then when you realize that they aren't converting, we'll be here.

I think you misunderstood Warchild. He waits but plans accordingly.

DWB 02-06-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by B.Barnato (Post 18737978)
Worse than BoyAlley and the twink wars of years gone by.

:1orglaugh What happened to that guy anyway?

This pic would make his elbow twitch.

http://insulting.com/pics/frank2_gfy.jpg

scottybuzz 02-06-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 18737449)
I wonder what you would comment if you would sign up to digital playground-it took 6 months to approve me there lol.

1 year here :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

scottybuzz 02-06-2012 11:43 AM

just a thought -

they may want to check your not a surfer signing up trying to access the free content which if you were, could be a lost sale.
Thats the only thing I can think off.

I think bangbros enabled an approval when surfers were signing up like one a minute to access the free content area of the website because this tactic hit the forums.

vdbucks 02-06-2012 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 18738153)
I think you misunderstood Warchild. He waits but plans accordingly.

Yeah, I did lol.. that's what I get fro skimming through. My bad WarChild.

DarkJedi 02-06-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow (Post 18737487)
Your such a retard.

You should learn to spell before trying to put other people down, asshat.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18738164)
just a thought -

they may want to check your not a surfer signing up trying to access the free content which if you were, could be a lost sale.
Thats the only thing I can think off.

I think bangbros enabled an approval when surfers were signing up like one a minute to access the free content area of the website because this tactic hit the forums.

How is a join form going to stop that. And that lost sale is worth more than 300 lost sales?

grumpy 02-06-2012 11:53 AM

cant be much of a "project" if you cant wait 24hrs for approval. Then its not a project but a impulse.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18738184)
How is a join form going to stop that. And that lost sale is worth more than 300 lost sales?

At least 300 surfers need to sign up to justify not auto approving me. And that's just me. 1 webmaster.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 11:55 AM

And still how is a not auto approving gonna stop that. I can sign up to 10 sponsors now with a fake name and fake site and have by access by tomorrow.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 18738188)
cant be much of a "project" if you cant wait 24hrs for approval. Then its not a project but a impulse.

I know you're sad idiot who is just here to bash me but let me explain it to you.
I'm working on a huge blog network. Actually people are doing it for me and the details for a good bunch of blogs went to one of the guys working on it this afternoon. Last moment i changed my mind about a tranny sponsor and i needed something else quick. As the mail was ready to go out. And i for sure wasn't gonna check my mail every 10 mins to see if i was approved.

Must suck right that i can do a project like this inbetween posting here on gfy and all you can do is look like a broke ass idiot who is trying to bash me and keeps on failing.

So what's your next shot? Be quick because i'm ready to log off.

scottybuzz 02-06-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18738184)
How is a join form going to stop that. And that lost sale is worth more than 300 lost sales?

hmm not sure, some programs i know require a real email address from a porn website rather than a free email account, obviously a surfer couldn't therefore verify and get access. Not sure about island dollars.

In the website field they may look at the url, then run a whois and see if it matches the data from the signup form.

Again im sure the majority of sites who do ask for approval dont so it for this reason and dont go as far to verify and im not sure on any other reasons

but its a thought.

trust me i hate it too. running a review site, you have hundreds of sign up forms to go through and its a pain when you want to grab a link and you have to wait. Especially the year for digital playground :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dirty F 02-06-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18738230)
hmm not sure, some programs i know require a real email address from a porn website rather than a free email account, obviously a surfer couldn't therefore verify and get access. Not sure about island dollars.

In the website field they may look at the url, then run a whois and see if it matches the data from the signup form.

Again im sure the majority of sites who do ask for approval dont so it for this reason and dont go as far to verify and im not sure on any other reasons

but its a thought.

trust me i hate it too. running a review site, you have hundreds of sign up forms to go through and its a pain when you want to grab a link and you have to wait. Especially the year for digital playground :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Nowadays i never use a domain email anymore. I use gmail or yahoo.com. Unless they specifically ask for it.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 12:14 PM

I bet i got Islanddollars 10 new affiliates today. These type of threads are usually very good for business.

scottybuzz 02-06-2012 12:16 PM

another reason i know that mainstream sites verify is because they want to know your traffic sources before you send them a hit so you don't damage their "brand"

Eyeball 02-06-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 18738188)
cant be much of a "project" if you cant wait 24hrs for approval. Then its not a project but a impulse.

My mortgage is paid by my spur of the moment ideas.

grumpy 02-06-2012 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18738210)
I know you're sad idiot who is just here to bash me but let me explain it to you.
I'm working on a huge blog network. Actually people are doing it for me and the details for a good bunch of blogs went to one of the guys working on it this afternoon. Last moment i changed my mind about a tranny sponsor and i needed something else quick. As the mail was ready to go out. And i for sure wasn't gonna check my mail every 10 mins to see if i was approved.

Must suck right that i can do a project like this inbetween posting here on gfy and all you can do is look like a broke ass idiot who is trying to bash me and keeps on failing.

So what's your next shot? Be quick because i'm ready to log off.


if you dont know me, dont judge me.

signupdamnit 02-06-2012 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottybuzz (Post 18738251)
another reason i know that mainstream sites verify is because they want to know your traffic sources before you send them a hit so you don't damage their "brand"

Or so they can steal your traffic if it is possible and cut you out.

lucas131 02-06-2012 12:35 PM

oh here i am finaly

Dirty F 02-06-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 18738308)
if you dont know me, dont judge me.

Oh right. You can come in my threads and give me shit but i'm not allowed to judge you :1orglaugh
Idiot.

signupdamnit 02-06-2012 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18738006)
Run your own program for a while and then you'll realize where you are wrong.

Like DWB said, affiliates are are serious about making money with a good program aren't going to let something like manual approval and human interaction stop them from doing so. In general, the one's who have a problem with it are the ones who spend more time crying on messages boards than they do working to make money.

I'm not going to apologize to anyone for choosing to run my program how I want. I'm not going to sit around kissing ass hoping some loud mouth troll on a board will promote my program. There is a reason that our company has only ever had a problem with a single individual over the past 6 years.. and that individual is a mental case and wasn't an affiliate anyway.

And that's simply the bottom line. I have enough faith in my brand that I don't need to go kissing ass and begging to make money. Like I said twice now, we have more than doubled our bottom line in 2011 from 2010. And we're already off to a great start in 2012. Our active affiliates... those guys who actually make money, are happy with our program... and our top affiliates will be even happier in 2 months time when we release our new site to them.

Here's a simple suggestion. If you don't want to wait, go promote a lesser program. Then when you realize that they aren't converting, we'll be here.

I understand why it is often done. For instance there is a difference between letting a scammer in and stopping him at the door. If you show him that his account was never approved the chances are slight that he will send fraudulent signups which will chargeback. But if you let him in even for a minute then he might use that time to send them and you get stuck holding the bag

But the problem is that after a while affiliates get sick of wasting time having to chase sponsors doing the manual activation. If you require it at least take care of it once a day on weekdays. Also we get sick of all the BS restrictions, some of which you never declare. For instance some just silently ignore webmasters from certain countries. Others ignore gmail or yahoo addresses. Others ignore PO Boxes. If it's not one thing it's another. We just get tired of it. All the little games and bullshit grow tiring.

It's best to use some common sense. If the email address matches the whois and you do a search on the boards and find that the affiliate has been in the industry since 2002 then chances are they aren't trying to scam you.

nikki99 02-06-2012 02:36 PM

IslandDollars are great guys! :thumbsup

fetishwealth 02-06-2012 02:54 PM

the man needed his links asap...24 hr approval isnt asap and sometimes 24hrs becomes 24day and so on.

auto approve then check within 24hrs is a better policy imo.

globofun 02-06-2012 03:20 PM

Marty is a great guy................ this is one useless trash thread!

Dirty F, I have no clue who you are, but I know that I would never do any kind of business with someone like you!

Eyeball 02-06-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by globofun (Post 18738680)
Marty is a great guy................ this is one useless trash thread!

Dirty F, I have no clue who you are, but I know that I would never do any kind of business with someone like you!

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/a2/10/d1db5c51f...30ee04e214.jpg

papill0n 02-06-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18737950)
Sure, you might be right. But that's not what this thread is about. I still want to know what could possible happen to them in 24 hours that's worth losing potentially a shitload of money every year. And so far no one has explained this to me.
Also nobody has explained to me how exactly a signup form is going to stop scammers.

It is not complicated at all.

Manual approval is a very effective way to stop scammers before they even begin sending carded sales to you.

It is much more efficient to stop a problem before it begins rather than clean up the mess afterwards.

These guys often create the accounts and then come back to them and play their games months after creation. Does it stop them ? No. Does it make it easier for the program owner to deal with their bullshit ? Yes.

Ironically it is the programs with manual approval that you should be promoting.

DomP_nl 02-06-2012 03:50 PM

i think you are talking BS... if you really build a network without checking let a lone signing up to the sponsors you want to promote you have no idea what y're doing

Good luck with your site's anyway


Trouwens.. Je moest eens weten hoeveel grote nederlandse affiliates er in de shemales zitten... dit soort threads doen je geen goed ;)

anexsia 02-06-2012 03:59 PM

Man I feel you on this, it can really suck when it comes to the manual approval stuff. Most sponsors approve you pretty quickly but I've signed up with some that don't reply for a week or so.

I understand why they do it and I have no problem with it so long as they get in touch with you or approve you with in a reasonable amount of time.

vdbucks 02-06-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 18738717)
It is not complicated at all.

Manual approval is a very effective way to stop scammers before they even begin sending carded sales to you.

It is much more efficient to stop a problem before it begins rather than clean up the mess afterwards.

These guys often create the accounts and then come back to them and play their games months after creation. Does it stop them ? No. Does it make it easier for the program owner to deal with their bullshit ? Yes.

Ironically it is the programs with manual approval that you should be promoting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomP_nl (Post 18738731)
i think you are talking BS... if you really build a network without checking let a lone signing up to the sponsors you want to promote you have no idea what y're doing

Good luck with your site's anyway


Trouwens.. Je moest eens weten hoeveel grote nederlandse affiliates er in de shemales zitten... dit soort threads doen je geen goed ;)

He's a moron who's been trolling for 10+ years and is trying to pretend he's someone because he has a high post count. A simpleton attention whore who wants us all to believe that he has huge projects going on that'll make us thousands a year... forget that he can't even plan ahead more than 30 seconds... he's a "real" pro...

In reality, he probably just wanted free content to jerk off to, and got upset that his "join an affiliate program" method for free porn didn't work out.

B.Barnato 02-06-2012 04:21 PM

http://i.imgur.com/MwlED.jpg

LeRoy 02-06-2012 04:58 PM

Cant please every affiliate!

Oh well :2 cents:

globofun 02-06-2012 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyeball (Post 18738688)


http://backwomb.com/wp-content/uploa...10/upbutt1.jpg


:321GFY:thumbsup:1orglaugh

scouser 02-06-2012 07:11 PM

some mainstream affiliate programs/networks require phone calls to verify you are who you say you are. instant approval or waiting a day or two isnt a big deal. a bit annoying when you found a new site to promote but hardly end of the world. if itll convert its worth waiting a few days for....

Dirty F 02-06-2012 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomP_nl (Post 18738731)
i think you are talking BS... if you really build a network without checking let a lone signing up to the sponsors you want to promote you have no idea what y're doing

Good luck with your site's anyway


Trouwens.. Je moest eens weten hoeveel grote nederlandse affiliates er in de shemales zitten... dit soort threads doen je geen goed ;)

Want wat heb ik met Nederlandse affiliates te maken ook alweer?

Konda 02-06-2012 10:08 PM

Lol, this board never fails to amaze me.

A guy that has been a member here for over 10 years, so supposedly working in the online adult industry for all this time, who doesn't understand why affiliate programs have an approval process....

sitesurfer70 02-06-2012 10:11 PM

Owner of IslandDollars is cool as fuck. Had beers with him in real life. If you love great conversions and rebills like a crazy mofo, then I think you should get pass the manual approval episode. Is only a smart thing to do. Don't worry about the lost of 10000 of sales with your "guestimation".

Is like a small groceries store wanting to sell Coca Cola and got annoyed when asked to provide sales projection. I think Coca Cola can say GFY and sell Cock Cola as you wish.

But in this context, the owners of Island Dollars has been really cool and not making any comments. I think for the asian ladyboy niche, they some how are at the status of Coca Cola but still doesn't act like a big shot.

Kudos to Island Dollars. This is the reason why they are successful! Not only have great contents but really savvy in handling their programs.

Cheers!

Dirty F 02-06-2012 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdbucks (Post 18738781)
He's a moron who's been trolling for 10+ years and is trying to pretend he's someone because he has a high post count.

You're right. I'm just a troll. A troll who could've put a minimum of 10k in their pockets over the next to year. But apparantly that is not important for big players like you. You rather miss out on 50 people like me a year than auto approve people. Btw when the fuck are you gonna explain me how much damage a scammer can do in 24 hours and how a signup form is gonna stop that. You STILL failed to do so.

vdbucks 02-06-2012 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 18739328)
You're right. I'm just a troll. A troll who could've put a minimum of 10k in their pockets over the next to year. But apparantly that is not important for big players like you. You rather miss out on 50 people like me a year than auto approve people. Btw when the fuck are you gonna explain me how much damage a scammer can do in 24 hours and how a signup form is gonna stop that. You STILL failed to do so.

Sure you could. Given your extensive knowledge displayed so far in this thread, I'd wager against you being able to put 10k in your own pocket over the past 10 years in this industry.

Dirty F 02-06-2012 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sitesurfer70 (Post 18739326)
Owner of IslandDollars is cool as fuck. Had beers with him in real life. If you love great conversions and rebills like a crazy mofo, then I think you should get pass the manual approval episode. Is only a smart thing to do. Don't worry about the lost of 10000 of sales with your "guestimation".

Is like a small groceries store wanting to sell Coca Cola and got annoyed when asked to provide sales projection. I think Coca Cola can say GFY and sell Cock Cola as you wish.

But in this context, the owners of Island Dollars has been really cool and not making any comments. I think for the asian ladyboy niche, they some how are at the status of Coca Cola but still doesn't act like a big shot.

Kudos to Island Dollars. This is the reason why they are successful! Not only have great contents but really savvy in handling their programs.

Cheers!

Ah the good old i had beers with him so you must be wrong and a troll. I expected that one way earlier already.


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