You don't eat fruit at all? Fruits have many benefits, apples for example have lot's of fibrein them.

Nobody else here just has marijuana for breakfast?

I never said that I didnt, but i only eat bananas. I put blueberries or strawberries in my post workout shake only. I get fiber from about 3 cups of oats a day. My turds can bring the titanic up from the bottom of the ocean floor so getting fiber isnt an issue.

It's not. Look it up. Fruit sugars are sugars. Nothing more nothing less. Just because they are in a fruit doesn't make them better for you.
People should realize this. Because nobody does.
Honey isn't better than sugar for you either. Wanna know why? Because honey is sugar.

you feel that eating anything besides bananas as a fruit is that bad? what is the cut off? i've been eating some oranges and apples after a meal but only 2x a day.

Cool I was just curious to be honest. The only fruit I really eat are bananas and blueberries in my Protein shakes, one in the morning and one after my workout.

You're totally correct and Bryan should read more before he says it's bullshit and looks like a dork ;)

Well my goals are much different than most peoples here. Im forever trying to gain weight so my shakes consist of 2 scoops whey protein isolate, 1 banana, 1 1/2 cups of oats, 1/4 cup blueberries, 1 cup greek yogurt, 3 tbs natty peanut butter. I have 2 of those a day plus 2-3 solid meals. Each one is 1200 calories. Id try to limit your intake, 1 piece of fruit a day wont kill you but multiple will.

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Eat too much protein and your kidneys will fuck up, good luck with that.

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You probably eat more for breakfast than i eat all day.

For the anti-sugar idiots:

http://www.everydiet.org/1001/sugar-...al-sugar-facts

What sugars are considered natural? A few natural sweeteners include: stevia (a herbal extract that is naturally sweet with no calories), barley malt, evaporated cane juice before it is refined (refined sugar is derived from cane juice, but is extremely processed with many of the natural enzymes, vitamins, minerals, and fiber removed), fruit juice (fructose), rice syrup, honey, and sugar alcohols. All-natural maple syrup is not only flavorful, but rich with iron and other micronutrients. Sugar alcohols have a “sweet” taste but are processed by the body as alcohol. This means that they are typically burned for energy and have a minimal impact on insulin and blood sugar, according to the latest studies. They are not known to be toxic like non-sugar alcohols.

Sugar is certainly not your enemy. Refined and processed sugars are! Consume a protein and a whole, unprocessed carbohydrate with every meal, and add healthy fats to your diet. If these meals happen to contain some natural honey or cane juice, don’t sweat it! Eat 4 – 5 servings of fruit and or vegetables each day – there are far too many healthy compounds in these foods to pass them up out of fear of the natural sugar contained within. Make your own choice about artificial sweeteners, but keep in mind that you can easily control your portion sizes and use natural sweeteners instead. Are the potential risks worth the small benefit you may or may not be receiving from artificial sweeteners? Learn to let sugar work with you, not against you!

I dont drink, I don't smoke. I workout, i fuel my body with the protein it NEEDS i dont take in 2-3x my body weight in protein as that is counter productive and will lead to problems. Blood work is done every 3-6 months, liver enzymes, LDL and HDL are all on point. But thanks for your concern :thumbsup

sugar substitues such as stevia and sugar alcohols have the same impacts on insulin levels as refined sugar. Your website is wrong...post a credible source

I don't doubt that, even aspartame and sweetners mess your insulin levels up.

Natural sugars in fruits are still a lot better than refined and processed sugars. I wouldn't pass up all the vitamins and minerals in fruit because I have no problem with my insulin levels.

Im not arguing the fact that they arent "better" but your body still can not tell the difference between the two and still spikes insulin levels the same as if you had just drank a can of soda. You can get plenty of benefits from something like this without all that sugar. http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/vi...viberance.html Thats better than any amount of fruit or veggies you could ever eat in a day.

Great story, but sugars in your fruit are considered sugar to your body. You know why? Because they are sugars. Just like other sugars.

No they are not, stop feeding people lies.

You can lead a horse to water. :1orglaugh

damn, why are you guys ruining fruits for me?

haha i like having a piece of fruit after a meal or two here and there, what would be a better substitute? also, i've heard a little about "insulin spikes" but can you guys explain why it's something to avoid?

i do rosstraining.com's infinite intensity routine lately which is a mix of endurance, conditioning and strength training. i eat quite a bit but i'm trying to get lean. my meals are 8oz chicken, 1 baked sweet or regular potato for the 1st 4 meals, then just a bunch of broccoli for the 5th meal and then i have low fat cottage cheese before bed.

It's very bad for your teeth as well if you eat several pieces of fruit throughout the day.

I believe an apple contains about 20 grams of sugar. That's almost as much as a can of coke :D

Eat vegetables and nuts and wild salmon.
And breathe less. Oxygen is toxic and makes you old :)

Insulin is a hormone secreted by the pancreas in response to detected increases in blood sugar - insulin controls glucose homeostasis (i.e., keeps blood glucose levels constant) by stimulating the uptake of glucose into skeletal muscle and, to a lesser extent, into Liver (e.g., in the case of fructose) and adipose tissue.

In laymen's terms - it is essentially responsible for storing away the latent energy in the calories you consume. Insulin drives glucose into your cells - it feeds your muscles as it were.

Foods that are high on the glycemic index (e.g., dextrose, or other "simple" carbs) stimulate a strong spike in insulin - "spike" just means that insulin levels rise and fall rapidly (good for a quick burst of energy but not for sustained endurance). Foods lower on the glycemic index (e.g., so-called complex carbs) stimulate a much slower insulin response allowing for a sustained release of energy.

Generally speaking - bodybuilders desire an insulin spike only after a workout (they generally combine simple sugars with protein) because they want the insulin surge to "feed" their muscles as quickly as possible (trying to use laymen's terms here!).

On a side note...great diet as far as balance is concerned but throw some variety in there otherwise you will be sure to fall short. Ive tried eatting multiple of the same thing for weeks on end. All you will end up is hating chicken and potatoes lol

And stop fucking drinking milk. Milk no good for body.

When was the last time you were able to purchase it from him? From my conversations with him, he is no longer pursuing this.

OK so if all sugar is USED the same by the body, I really don't care about that. I'll drink natural fruit juice instead of coke any time possible.

http://askthedietcoach.blogspot.com/...-you-than.html

If you're going to argue with the fact that fruit is extremely healthy for you then good luck.

Huh? I absolutely won't deny that besides the sugar fruit is good for you.
And yes obviously it's way better to drink fruitjuice than coke.

Wow, you eat turkey bacon? Geez man I thought we were friends, but I had no idea.

Just...wow.

Fruit should be ok in doses, you know normal human doses like everything else we should be eating, hehe.

Nothing wrong with "turkey bacon", it's just lean meat pressed into the shape of bacon so you can use it in recipes like you use "pig bacon". Which is also just a word for a cut of pig belly meat after all.

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DynaMo, been missing his contributions really. I had some marketing ideas for his health mix. Market to the long trail hikers, the AT, CDT and PCT trails. Hikers on those months-long hikes need easy to carry and portion food, and also mail foodstuff ahead to post offices along the trails. There is also always a "trail days" where vendors set up shop and sell and give samples. You can also mail things to hostels and post offices along the trails who will put "unclaimed" items in a box for hikers to take for free. Hikers often use trailjournals.com and will leave their planned stops along the way for people to send them stuff. DynaMo could probably turn some heads with his foodstuff to those diehards who need good balanced fuel big time and share good items with their friends. Pass it along if you talk to him.

yeah i'm kinda eating the way i am now due to financial reasons. i'd love to eat a variety but chicken is the most cost efficient thing right now. i should have mentioned my breakfast is crepes i make with whole eggs and nonfat ricotta cheese. i snack on a small amount of mixed nuts throughout the the day. i recently lowered my caloric intake and i'm still getting used to it.

Sugar is sugar but in nature fructose mostly comes with soluble fiber which reduces the rate of absorption reducing insulin response. eat fruits or pressed fruit juices, better than coke or commercial fiber free fruit juices.

Oats, natty peanut butter, and eggs...the poor mans bodybuilder diet. makes up for about 80% of my diet, the other 20% is fish and chicken. I really try to stray away from red meat if possible.

Look if you want to be healthy without following a crazy diet it's real simple.
Try to eat fresh and non processed food in normal doses.
Vegetables (broccoli = win), fruits, nuts, fatty fish and non fatty meat.
It really is this simple.

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Choopa Phil saying about the GI index. Check the box at the bottom of this page out.

http://www.organiclifestylemagazine....ternatives.php

They are also saying different sugar have different GI ratings, thus must be processed differently by the body right? And each effect insulin levels differently?

Raw sugar 65

Glucose 100

Etc.

Thoughts?

I concur :thumbsup

Gonna watch a movie now and will read this later.
I bet there will be differences all i'm saying is in the end sugar is sugar. Different components of sugar might affect the body in a different way.

Is there anything "dodgy" in turkey bacon though? I'd look carefully for any weird ingredients like sodium nitrite being in there. Being turkey formed into bacon obviously must mean it is processed aswell.

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Bingo! don't eat too much vitamin k in veg like broccoli and cauliflower though.

If you go for fish, you also have to be careful of mercury content. but like everything if you don't eat too much of a good thing you should be fine.

I'm curious if you guys don't actually like food or if you really just have enough willpower to ignore all of the great food that's out there?

All carbohydrates are digested the same, Some have more energy in them than others which is where the GI index comes into play. A GI Index is to determine how fast and how high your glucose levels will spike. You really dont need to worry about mercury poisoning from fish you would need to eat about 5 lbs of tuna for 10 years.

Now if only i could get myself to do this more often :1orglaugh

Yeah I don't know either, I always thought fruit sugar was better than others and that is why I try not drink coke and other crap.

Also the table says about it at the top of the wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_Index

Fruit and fructose 55 and under.

Glucose 70 and above.

fruit sugar IS better than something processes just as with anything else but its not really "better" Sugar is sugars is sugar. It still spikes insulin but not to such a degree that a soda would.

Of course, your right!

Obviously a glucose metabolism, fully deprived of glucose after a 10+ hour fast, is going to result in higher energy levels.

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the sugars aren't better, they just have a lot more nutrients and healthy properties in them to justify eating them as opposed to a candy bar or twinkie.

fruit isn't bad for you, but eating too much will, as stated already, spike your insulin levels so moderation is a good idea. Further, juice as good as it tastes is right up there with coke.. too much sugar and the vitamin balance does NOT justify things out enough to make it a healthy choice--that is unless you are making celery and broccoli juice i guess! Far FAR too many calories, people drink excessive amounts because they are under the impression they are drinking something healthy and tasty, and people wonder why they can't ever lose weight... must be genetics! ;)

I would then say that if fruit juice is slower than say fructose/glucose in coke for example that the fruit juice is still better? Must give your body more time and less stress in dealing with the sugar. I dunno, getting mixed up now.

Read one thing and it says all sugars are the same, then another says natural is better but fructose causes cholesterol levels to increase (probably why marketplace was right afterall on the plant sterols thing, no point taking plant sterols and drinking tons of sugar that causes cholesterol problems) then another says avoid glucose altogether but fructose is fine.

I'd just be sensible, I prefer fruit juice and water to coke and only drink coke every so often these days (lost weight doing so aswell)

And yeah probably right about the mercury :1orglaugh

Sodium nitrite is in both regular and turkey bacons according to oscar mayer. They also add some dextrose and other shit. It just doesnt have the strip of pig fat pretty much.

I dont mind either type because it's not even a once a week thing for me, but I just get tired of things like "there's no such thing as turkey bacon". Well, there's no such thing as pig bacon either until you create it with a knife and some processing, so people shouldnt waste their time on objecting to the name. Just have a slice of turkey then, it just doesnt look the same next to eggs.

agreed. unfortunately eating healthy isn't cheap. organic food prices? yikes. it's getting to the point where i'm gonna raise chickens and start hunting.

Smart I agree

Great info. Thanks to all! I am soaking this all up :thumbsup

Only about a dollar a serving and a ton of good stuff in there. Might give that a shot.

With oats, is Quaker natural ok or should you go with Steel cut or something from the health food section? Are all oats the same I guess is the question. What do you prefer?

Also cutting down red meat from the diet will help the budget out a lot.

Do you go with natural unsalted nuts or salted? Salted taste better but all that salt is prob not good. Also what is "fatty fish"? Not sure what you meant there.

Thanks.

honestly everything in moderation. Fruit is obviously a more healthy choice than a snickers bar. As far as oats are concerned. I just use the quaker old fashioned style. Throw them in a coffee grinder and turn it into powder then blend into a shake and enjoy. And fatty fish are salmon and tuna for example. most white fish like tilapia and flounder are not fatty at all and lack the amount of omegas that the salmon and tuna has.