Sugar is sugar but in nature fructose mostly comes with soluble fiber which reduces the rate of absorption reducing insulin response. eat fruits or pressed fruit juices, better than coke or commercial fiber free fruit juices.

Oats, natty peanut butter, and eggs...the poor mans bodybuilder diet. makes up for about 80% of my diet, the other 20% is fish and chicken. I really try to stray away from red meat if possible.

Look if you want to be healthy without following a crazy diet it's real simple.
Try to eat fresh and non processed food in normal doses.
Vegetables (broccoli = win), fruits, nuts, fatty fish and non fatty meat.
It really is this simple.

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Choopa Phil saying about the GI index. Check the box at the bottom of this page out.

http://www.organiclifestylemagazine....ternatives.php

They are also saying different sugar have different GI ratings, thus must be processed differently by the body right? And each effect insulin levels differently?

Raw sugar 65

Glucose 100

Etc.

Thoughts?

I concur :thumbsup

Gonna watch a movie now and will read this later.
I bet there will be differences all i'm saying is in the end sugar is sugar. Different components of sugar might affect the body in a different way.

Is there anything "dodgy" in turkey bacon though? I'd look carefully for any weird ingredients like sodium nitrite being in there. Being turkey formed into bacon obviously must mean it is processed aswell.

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Bingo! don't eat too much vitamin k in veg like broccoli and cauliflower though.

If you go for fish, you also have to be careful of mercury content. but like everything if you don't eat too much of a good thing you should be fine.

I'm curious if you guys don't actually like food or if you really just have enough willpower to ignore all of the great food that's out there?

All carbohydrates are digested the same, Some have more energy in them than others which is where the GI index comes into play. A GI Index is to determine how fast and how high your glucose levels will spike. You really dont need to worry about mercury poisoning from fish you would need to eat about 5 lbs of tuna for 10 years.

Now if only i could get myself to do this more often :1orglaugh

Yeah I don't know either, I always thought fruit sugar was better than others and that is why I try not drink coke and other crap.

Also the table says about it at the top of the wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_Index

Fruit and fructose 55 and under.

Glucose 70 and above.

fruit sugar IS better than something processes just as with anything else but its not really "better" Sugar is sugars is sugar. It still spikes insulin but not to such a degree that a soda would.

Of course, your right!

Obviously a glucose metabolism, fully deprived of glucose after a 10+ hour fast, is going to result in higher energy levels.

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the sugars aren't better, they just have a lot more nutrients and healthy properties in them to justify eating them as opposed to a candy bar or twinkie.

fruit isn't bad for you, but eating too much will, as stated already, spike your insulin levels so moderation is a good idea. Further, juice as good as it tastes is right up there with coke.. too much sugar and the vitamin balance does NOT justify things out enough to make it a healthy choice--that is unless you are making celery and broccoli juice i guess! Far FAR too many calories, people drink excessive amounts because they are under the impression they are drinking something healthy and tasty, and people wonder why they can't ever lose weight... must be genetics! ;)

I would then say that if fruit juice is slower than say fructose/glucose in coke for example that the fruit juice is still better? Must give your body more time and less stress in dealing with the sugar. I dunno, getting mixed up now.

Read one thing and it says all sugars are the same, then another says natural is better but fructose causes cholesterol levels to increase (probably why marketplace was right afterall on the plant sterols thing, no point taking plant sterols and drinking tons of sugar that causes cholesterol problems) then another says avoid glucose altogether but fructose is fine.

I'd just be sensible, I prefer fruit juice and water to coke and only drink coke every so often these days (lost weight doing so aswell)

And yeah probably right about the mercury :1orglaugh

Sodium nitrite is in both regular and turkey bacons according to oscar mayer. They also add some dextrose and other shit. It just doesnt have the strip of pig fat pretty much.

I dont mind either type because it's not even a once a week thing for me, but I just get tired of things like "there's no such thing as turkey bacon". Well, there's no such thing as pig bacon either until you create it with a knife and some processing, so people shouldnt waste their time on objecting to the name. Just have a slice of turkey then, it just doesnt look the same next to eggs.

agreed. unfortunately eating healthy isn't cheap. organic food prices? yikes. it's getting to the point where i'm gonna raise chickens and start hunting.

Smart I agree

Great info. Thanks to all! I am soaking this all up :thumbsup

Only about a dollar a serving and a ton of good stuff in there. Might give that a shot.

With oats, is Quaker natural ok or should you go with Steel cut or something from the health food section? Are all oats the same I guess is the question. What do you prefer?

Also cutting down red meat from the diet will help the budget out a lot.

Do you go with natural unsalted nuts or salted? Salted taste better but all that salt is prob not good. Also what is "fatty fish"? Not sure what you meant there.

Thanks.

honestly everything in moderation. Fruit is obviously a more healthy choice than a snickers bar. As far as oats are concerned. I just use the quaker old fashioned style. Throw them in a coffee grinder and turn it into powder then blend into a shake and enjoy. And fatty fish are salmon and tuna for example. most white fish like tilapia and flounder are not fatty at all and lack the amount of omegas that the salmon and tuna has.

Avoid salt as much as possible. And yes they taste like crap without salt :)
Salmon is a fatty fish (wild salmon is better) the oil in fish is very good for you.

http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-man...iet-fatty-fish

My movie!

Bye.

all carbohydrate are digested the same but soluble fiber will reduce rates of intestinal absorption. Just like alcohol is always digested the same but slowing down absorption will reduce peak levels in the blood. soluble fiber is in the fruit for a reason, nature does things well.

Raw almonds are a great snack too. Also look into some home made protein bar recipes, they are great on the go and have no preservatives and crap the store bought ones do

you should go with unsalted and raw. you'll get used to it. i never get anything salted anymore. just don't forget nuts are extremely high in calories. 1 cup of nuts is approximately 800 calories. not ideal if you are looking to lose weight or maintain. great for bulking.

there you go! was having a brain fart on the exact mechanism behind the slowed digestion. Thanks! :thumbsup

Thanks guys. I really appreciate it. I am going to change my diet starting now. Removing cheese and much more red meat if not all to begin will really help the budget which I also really like and is a great motivator.

Oats and veggies if you buy em in bulk are really inexpensive. Potatoes as well. Eggs too. The best stuff for you is the cheapest stuff, freeing up money for blueberries, protein powers ect. I am liking this more and more. :thumbsup

At Walmart, Birds eye has some nice veggie mixes for 5 LBs for $5.99 or just over $1 a LB which is best Ive seen. Plus they are quality frozen vegies.

Also been eating a lot of canned beans lately. I take it canned are ok? But beans are certainly good. I usually mix with rice but I am gonna switch to brown rice. They say mixing beans and rice and I think wheat (but gonna avoid wheat) gives you a complete protein (amino acids) which is why third world countries usually mix the two.

Lentils are great and probably the Cheapest meal you can make, its like a dollar for 2-3 nights worth of eating. Nutrabio.com for protein. Its the most bioavailable and lactose free protein on the market. Its basically pharmaceutical grade...wont cause ANY gastric issues. and if you have a BJ's or Costco they sell 10 lb bags of perdue flash frozen cleaned chicken breasts for 23 bux. no need to defrost them u just tossem on the george foreman and youre good to go.

Ok, we're on the same page now :1orglaugh fuck me who knew sugar was so interesting?

Yep we're all agreed now (I think). :1orglaugh

:Oh crap I'm trying to cut that crap out. In theory you could probably make turkey bacon with just some turkey meat, not sure if it would work though.

But anyway, proper bacon (I've looked it up) when processed is wet cured in a pink salt which is what contains the sodium nitrite,

If you make it yourself you just get pork belly (for streaky bacon) or loin (for back bacon) trim off as much fat as possible, do 3 days (3 steps of 24 hours each) of salt curing (using kosher salt not the pink shit, or sea salt because it is too course) in the fridge to draw out the water, then after it has hardened you smoke it for about 2 or 3 hours in a smoker and out comes your bacon without nitrites!

I have to check lentals out. Your not the first to recommend them. Or maybe it was you in another thread. :)

So you are saying nutrabio.com would be a good first powder to buy. I want to start doing a powder.

In a nutshell, here is my deal and plan, I am going on the diet recommended here as I already eat most of the same stuff.

Cheese, (is a little ok or should I go cold turkey, as I said I eat maybe 1 to 1and1/2 LBs a week for years (counting pizza), bad I know, pasta ocassionally (terrible I know and only cause it is cheap) thats goes. Red meat goes, eat a lot of that too, sugar and corn syrup must go. Must I quit it 100%? :) If you read my other posts you know I WILL binge if it is around.

I guess fruit like bananas, dates ect is the answer or truvia as was recommended earlier.

All this coupled with starting a walking program. Maybe 5 days/week walk. Easy at first cause I dont want to get too tired. I live alone and cant sleep all the time. :)

But yeah, I am about 6'3 1/2 (80" reach :) for you mma'rs :) ) but I am around 300 prob about 305 and at double nickles now (55) it has to now go. I am starting to feel it. I prob dont have as much muscle mass anymore even tho I do all the housework, mow ect but at 55 it is too much weight.

So I will let you know how it goes. :) Thanks to the op. Lots of great info in this thread.

Nuts are ok without salt if you get hazelnuts (filberts) or walnuts (whole they taste better than bits) they are pretty tasteless but throw them in a good natural/organic vanilla yoghurt and they are excellent. I can eat walnuts and filberts fine without any coating on them they are a pretty tame flavour.

Nutrabio is the best and the only powder I will ever use. Definitely give it a shot. Its carb, sugar, and filler free. Heres a 7% off coupon code - NB3731

Check out this cheese it comes highly recommended from a very credible source - http://www.lifetimecheese.com/produc...res/index.html

That is a great idea mixing them with yogurt :thumbsup

The devil is in the details and this thread gives you details :thumbsup

Yeah good advice on the salt. I also eat too many salted in the shell peanuts lol I am TERRIBLE I know. lol it is funny if it wasnt so sad.

But I think I can learn to like many nuts without salt. As a snack but dont over do them as someone said.

I obvously have to start counting calories but just removing all that cheese and red meat plus all refinded sugar/corn syrup.. should really help a lot. I dont eat much sugar/corn syrup but I get the feeling that just a little of that defeats the purpose and is the worst. Plus I will binge. If it isnt in the house I dont miss it. I make do.

At my weight now days I am good for about two major stores like Walmart and a Large groc store and then the weight is too much.

I am gen in good health but with that diet, no wonder I never lose. I never gain weight anymore and if I do it is easily removed, but with that diet I never lose, if I do happen to do some more exercise or something like mow.

I have maxed out at 318. About 305 now. If I go under 300 (had a chest cold last year and did) I really notice just that 5 LBs. If I go OVER 310 I begin to get in dangerous waters. The other day after pasta, 4oz dry weight over 4 days, not a ton but, I gained 3 LBs and was about 308. I went shopping, ate less and lost 3LB in one day.

So I really just want to get down 6 LBs to 299 to begin. That will be a big start. Only 6 LBs. Then I am on my way.

OK Thanks Phil I will order that. I appreciate it. :thumbsup

Ya know I am pretty strong mentally. I quit smoking cold turkey and other substances cold turkey, I think I can quit cheese. It is good stuff but yeah not that important. I could always go with fat free but I really like the savings. Cutting out cheese and red meat is at least $75/month. It needs to go. Obviously my arteries could use it.

I do drink lots of Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar and only drink water and maybe one beer/day. So that maybe counter acts the otherwise terrible fatty, high salt diet I have had.

I have always avoided nitrites and MSG and cook 100% for myself. Very little eating out so that prob has saved me. :) Rump roast has fairly low fat but is still red of course.

So cheese, red meat (cutting way down since I am doing a protein shake) and sugar/corn syrup are my first three targeted points to eliminate.

My older brother is 6'2 and about 190. He preaches "ground turkey, ground turkey" so gonna switch to that as I like my tacos.

That will be a good start. Ok thanks. I will let you all go now. Appreciate it.

A dork eh? Lol you stuck in a time warp there dude? don't think I've heard that since the 80s lol. Anyhow my point still stands no one is gonna tell me fruit is bad for me. Fair enough it has sugar but it also has lots of fibre.

:thumbsup I am gonna switch to bananas and maybe apples plus dates. Heck berries when in season are great! That is my plan of attack to replace the gummy bears. Ya have to have something sweet.

I realize you guys are talking more for guys who are already in top shape whether fruit is good, but for me it is surely good.

My "friend" he really does exist and really does know it all lol says, "wanna lose weight? Eat lots of bananas." :)

And he is prob right in a roundabout way. :)

So I had a 5 cans of "fatty fish" in the cupboard incl two albacore tuna. Ohh that is good stuff.

Why buy beef? I hear ya. Ya need the fatty tho in the fish :thumbsup

My snack or is this a meal, whatever

1 can albacore tuna
Salad:
1/6 head iceberg lettuce
bit of sliced onion (love raw onions :))
1 TBLSP ranch dressing
and a slice of chedder 1/2 oz (I have to use it up)
skipped the croutons :)

Tall glass of Mini Soda tap. Nature's finest.

Lean and Mean! :thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh So true. Except that Ferrari would get me into so much more bad things. Haha.

It's been a bit. I bought a bunch of it the last time. Last year some time. I have two giant clear canisters of it vacuum sealed. He sent me some extras too from what I remember. I eat it a couple times a week.