Sounds good

Hey...
 

Hey the PR_ crew... how do I get my shit on there ? :helpme

That does sound good, how do we go about this? signup at your site and message you or?

is it ok to upload videos that have our branding in intro/ending, and a small text watermark bottom right? (I'm guessing its ok if you'll also be using the banners, but have to check)

Who do I need to blow to get in?
Phil

Far-L you said that 10 years ago and look at the state of the business today.

Yes this sounds like a great way to cut out the middle man and the problems of affiliates. Submit some videos to a high traffic Tube, get paid on Tube views. Here I see an opportunity for PR, sell a Hi Res version of the scene or a package of scenes from the same site. And have an affiliate link for the viewer to join the site. Might not be a great way to sign up members but it's something.

Better than putting it on a high traffic Tube that removes the watermark or demands 60% and give nothing from the advertising revenue to the content producer.

This allows site owners to submit their content to Tubes and get paid something for the free views, can the adverts support the payouts? Hope so.

It solves PR's problem of adding more of only their content to their tubes.

Damian, do you have any content to submit?

No friend of PR and their free Tube, yet this is a good idea to get something back.

He wasn't the only one. Tubes are a fact of life, not good for the porn industry.

Yet for some the best game in town for some.

Johnny Traffic said on another board that the Internet allowed direct access for te producer to the consumer. That situation for most lasted a few years. Today there is no direct access to the customer for most sites. Because affiliates are in between.

Manwin have to some extent gone direct. And a few others partly. Yet still the wall of affiliates between the producer and the customer remains. That wall costs billions of dollars in lost revenue to affiliates and from free porn. We have free porn and the consumer is well taught to expect it.

So is this the nub of an idea to take a step up?

Do away with affiliates, Set up huge legal Tube sites containing producers content, with links to buy the scene for cents or a dollar and a link to the site to join for a price that removes the affiliate?

No 50%-70%, no high PPS, no support, no advertising, no marketing to affiliates reduce the price accordingly. Let the consumer get a real taste of what the site contains, he's buying the Hi Res version or access to the whole site. For half the normal price.

I will now duck low because all the affiliates will scream and rubbish the idea. :party-smi

I'm off to http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/dog3.gif http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/dog1.gif http://smileys.messengertools.net/dogs/fetch.gif

Yes - I generate pro-am, perhaps Homegrown Submittals is more for actual ama?

I love you, Dave ...

very nice :thumbsup

I'll settle for a reach around

Paul you are welcome. I have shortened your posts and helped you get straight to the point in this condensed quote.
All of the words in the quote are yours, and in fact I agree with your quote as written above. :winkwink:

What I don't understand though is how getting a 20-30% cut of your full scene content under this is any better than getting a 50-60% (tracking problems and other things) cut of your short promo clips from affiliates?

To be honest paysite sales are so bad now due to all the piracy and people giving away full scene stuff that I make a majority of my revenue from cams and dating. That started last year.

Very interesting, looking forward to hearing more about this

as this "sneak peek" has turned into a ton of people signing up for the program, we're working hard to finish the site so it has all the info you guys need.

anyways, we just got the start of an FAQ up here

take a look, if it doesn't answer you questions, post them here and we will ad to the page as we go!

Dave is a Ninja!

ok whats your email?

I think this is a great idea. Good stuff

Actually that is my blog for everything related to submitting to us so it answers both true am and pro am questions. If you have a question about submitting though you are always welcome to hit me up directly at the email in my sig.

I have seen a lot of ups and downs in this biz, as have most folks.

To me, getting paid for impressions on our videos is great because that rewards us for having videos people want to watch on a super high traffic domain. Like I said, it was money we were not making previously so how can that be bad?

I feel fortunate that we are still around after 10 years to actually make any comments - and money - at all. Think about how many have gone the way of the dinosaur and disappeared forever only leaving some scant fossil record of their achievements in this biz.

Agree! :thumbsup

Very innovative twist to pay-per-view

Congrats guys looks good! I just signed up

Because they are paying you on views of your video PLUS keeping a banner to also send sign ups as a sponsor. Seems pretty clear to me that is better than getting nothing for one million plus people viewing your clip and possibly not clicking your banner or joining your site.

Hey PR Guys...
 

Ok I signed up under Trashy Content... keeping my fingers crossed we get approved :thumbsup

We also run a couple of affiliate programs so hopefully we can do a lot of work :winkwink:

How many people signing up are offering their affiliates 10 to 20 minute clips? Why not? Your average affiliate would push you a lot harder than just a little banner or link below the video. The 20-30% of revenue sounds nice but how do you know how much revenue there really is and how exactly is it being counted. And if you are operating a paysite with that content and you are giving a lot of it out aren't you just dilluting the value of your content and hurting your paysite sales as well as your affiliates? It seems a better deal for people who don't have paysites or no plan to open them. Unless you're just doing limited marketing.

Good questions...

We don't offer many clips that length, but truthfully it is not because it is something we have a problem with. In my mind, anyone can jack off in three minutes just as easily as 20 especially if it is for free.

They say they are counting impressions and I have no reason to distrust them. It is in their interest to get as many views as possible and bookmarkers so I have no reason to disbelieve them on this. If I get proved wrong then so be it... but I have never seen those guys called out on any sort of shaving issue. That is saying a lot in this biz.

We have enough content to work with that we never are truly diluting our brand, only enhancing it. I am a lifelong Deadhead and they let people tape and trade their shows freely (I infact was a taper...) and that only enhanced their brand plus gave them revenue well after they stopped performing as "the Grateful Dead". I understand how free pays. I get how you need to give more than just pix and vids to get people to pay happily.

Affiliates can take advantage of our content and do the same thing we are doing to get a taste of that sweet Homegrown pie. We are in a very unique position because we have more content than most so we have no trouble supporting affiliates with unique content.

We have spent a lot of time, effort and money building these systems over the past 18 months, way before anyone had any idea what our bigger plan was, to go ahead and screw anyone out of money. Take 5-10 minutes to chat with Phil or send him an email, I am sure he'll happily explain to you how we track everything and pay out. All our systems work together to pull data directly to your admins, whether it's Paid Per View, Hosted Tube, PIMPROLL or Traffic Force.

Hey Ross...
 

Well I signed up for it Ross... not sure if I am approved or not yet lol...

Hopefully we can do some business... How do I contact Phil ?

Is it phil at pimproll dot com ???

Just wondering how we get the content to them, sent on a hard drive ?

None of us are in the office right now so it'll likely be tomorrow before someone checks your application. That email address will work for Phil, yeah.

Ok...
 

Ok Ross... put a good word in for us :winkwink: I'm hoping to use your traffic force for our paysites too at some point... :thumbsup

more like the youtube of porn

Stop thinking %. That thinking crucified online porn. 50-70% + all the support possible has made it a product that people don't buy.

would you prefer 5% of $1,000 or 50% of $35 plus all the support?

Ultimately the money that hits a bank account is what pays bills. Not the %.

20-30% of what and how many, is a situation no one will know until it's up and running. Assuming a big Tube generates $A a month in ad revenue, from B million uniques clicking C-D times is the only thing that tells anyone how many $$ this is going to be worth.

Would selling the Hi Res version for $1 and adding it to a basket of other Hi Res versions make even more money?

Money split 50/50 between PR and producer?

Nice work guys can't wait till I can send traffic to it

Did someone hack paul's account?

That last post by him actually makes sense!

Join up... Add 5 videos... See what happens... Multiply by the rest of your catalog... Decide what to do at that point.

this is the right mentality, throw up 5 or 10 vids, see what type of your content does well, then instead of saying "I added some vids and they didn't make me filthy rich" think to yourself, ok, these couple vids make me X$ per vid in a month, so if I ad my catalogue, in a year I can make X$ x total # of similar vids x 12 months. this isn't like pay per signup, it's not an instant gratification thing, it's a long term revenue share that can generate money from a video for months and months, and traffic to paysites for just as long, as well as generating a mass amount of brand awareness.

I'm interested but have some questions.
Can someone from PR contact me please: xmile.inc [at] gmail [dot] com

Phil at porn dot com will work just fine!

I don't want to piss any of you guys off here, but I need to refer back to the thread title, if you'll notice, Dave said "Sneak Peek". The website is up, but the product which automates the process is not live. I have been working with producers for several months now, putting their stuff up and making them money, but Its been outside the system that we are building.

So, if you signed up at PaidPerView.com, then your account has not been approved yet, as like I said, we are still finishing it up. If you want to get a jump start, then email me, and I will get the agreement over to you and we can arrange for content delivery, create accounts with your program, and set stuff up ahead of time. Early next week I will start to activate the accounts of those who have joined, we just have a few more features to implement over the next couple days.

That may be so but like the Grateful Dead, first adopters do well but it is not necessarily a good business plan. Let us know if it works for you.

"Look up the wall, do it right, make a mistake,
you're going to pay for it twice"

So if i have an affilate program i can upload and the vids will be shown on all the hostedtube sites?

If you add a sizable amount of videos you will end up with your own dedicated channel on porn.com

You will lose "bro" status by posting that. :1orglaugh

This one I like, we will tomorrow register, check it out and start upload clips from PornXN :thumbsup

What happens if I only upload 20/30?

there is no firm rule in place on this, it would certainly depend, I think if you uploaded 30 shitty quality clips that are in your library, but just random stuff and not that enticing, that wouldn't warrant a channel.

But if you uploaded 30 nice quality videos that fit together, (for example 30 videos from one exclusive paysite) and those videos are found to be interesting or popular by the viewers, that would certainly warrant a channel.

a channel has to provide something for the users, so if all it does is put together a list of clips people don't want to see, or a bunch of vids that really have no business being together, then it is pointless, if a person sees a vid they love, and it is associated with a channel, and they go to the channel, and see more videos they will love, then we have done our job. So with that in mind, it's not about a specific #.

Bump for Paid Per View

Has anyone at PR thought of selling the single scenes in a hi res for a low price? As an addition to this idea.

This idea will win or lose on the money it generates. If it's a few dollars, people will just not bother. If it's a few hundred, people might. If it's thousands they will love it. So every avenue has to be explored.

Paul, I can't pretend to know why you are so on the ball on this one, but yes it is a good idea, yes it will happen, We do already have it in the works, so I can't give you full credit for it. But the good part is that because it is an initiated transaction that will in itself cover the bandwidth and other costs, the revenue split on it will be more in favor of the producer

Phil

Don't want any credit. Just thinking making it more like a iTunes version of porn buying, is a good idea. Funnel people to other scenes by the same producer or similar content, have a single buy option and a basket option. But 5 for the price of 4. Etc.

The up sale to the main site is likely easier to come from a person who has seen the full Hi Res version or versions. Alternatively they can come back and buy when they want like C4S.